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Sonia Diaz

Jul 19, 2013, 6:35 AM

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I am currently nationalizing cars from Manzanillo, Ajijic, Ixtapa plus others where I live in San Miguel. The first one started June 20, 2013 is back. The second was started July 1, 2013 and is back. Both check out as being valid.

1981 to 2007 NAFTA Made Vehicles

UCD is an association of campesinos who combine efforts to improve conditions and advocating for farmers etc, buy seeds, farming, irrigation, home improvements, making less expensive foreign vehicles legal, government liaison / support for their causes, etc. UCD or similar organizations can be found in most states in Mexico. They also have approval to nationalize cars just as they do in several states including Chihuahua and Oaxaca, etc. and now in Guanajuato. UCD is similar to the farmers' cooperatives in Canada.

UCD has been granted government approval to nationalize vehicles in this manner in cooperation with Aduana. A registered broker is the person who submits all documents to Aduana and it is done at Mexicali. You do not have to leave the place where you live and drive to the border paying tolls, gas, accommodations and the associated stress. Once the documents are returned in approximately a month you can register your vehicle anywhere in Mexico.

Note: This is one of the few and maybe the only remaining virtual nationalizing process. This is not permanent and can end at any time. So far we are hoping it continues to at least November so we can nationalize our 2008 SUV.

The first step is having you send me a scanned copy of your car title. For a trailer I need photos of all 4 sides, photo of serial number, measurements and title, please. In approximately 2 business days you will know the exact cost. The cost will include 100 pesos to ensure your vehicle was not reported stolen in Mexico, Aduana's fee, broker's fee and mine. There will be no surprises. The range is approx 19,000 to 27,000 pesos total for a NAFTA made vehicle. VIN mist start with 1, 2, 3, 4 or 5 and vehicle from 1981 to 2007. We can also nationalize some trailers, often for less than cars. In November this year, 2008 vehicles can be nationalized.

If the vehicle is in a company name you will have to indicate in writing in whose name you want the pedimento, receipt and title. You will write this on the back of the title with the words: "Cedo los derechos de este vehiculo (your printed and signed name). And then ... ATT:(name of company).

The costs I quote includes all fees for nationalizing. If you are not local I pay the courier fees to return pedimento, factura and title to you. The only additional fees you will have are those you pay to the government for the process / costs for your license plates and local registration.

Once we have the cost you will meet me to take photos of your vehicle and submit the documents (or if you are not local please scan and send me the photos). No long distance driving is required. You save on stress, driving to the border, gasoline, tolls, accommodations, meals, finding a reputable broker, vehicle inspection, numerous forms etc.

Requirements

We require photos of: side view, driver's door jam which shows VIN etc, and the VIN taken up close usually at bottom of windshield on driver's side (taken from outside car and blocking sun so it shows up clearly). For a trailer, photos as noted to obtain a cost for nationalizing.

I require a copy of:

1. visa or passport
2. title (front and back)
3. utility bill
4. Mexican driver's license front and back (If local I can help you get one in less than 2 hours) This program is virtual and may be the only one of its type. Therefore Aduana is insisting on seeing a scanned copy of a Mexican driver's license. This is not required at the border as your car is physically inspected and the owner is present.

If need be we can make copies locally when we take the photos.

In addition, I require the amounts due. This can be cash or deposited into a bank account if you reside far away and receipts for these will be issued by me or scanned and emailed to you.

In approximately one month your pedimento, factura and title will arrive in SMA. If you live further away I will courier these to you. Note, I will immediately check on line that the pedimento is legal as there is a web site for doing so. If you can not register your vehicle you will get a full refund.

You then are required to obtain plates and register your vehicle. Locally, this is done at Renta in the Plaza Real del Conde or the appropriate place where you live.

For license plates and registration the process in San Miguel is you require original and copies of your visa, factura, pedimento, title and pay 160 pesos. They will give you a permit allowing you to drive while they ensure documents are legal. Within 2 months the process will be completed and you can obtain your plates and "validacion". If you are local I can assist with this process.The cost for plates and local registration is approx 1000 pesos locally but may vary in other states..

As others have noted, in some states such as San Luis Potosi they will issue you registration and plates same day and they will be for 2 years. You just need a CFE bill in anyone's name in SLP.

Thanks to another poster I discovered in the state of Queretaro (and maybe DF, Morelos, Puebla and Hidalgo) they will not allow you to register a 2006 or 2007 car even with a pedimento no matter how you obtained it. I believe this is to protect auto dealers although may contravene NAFTA. Those living in Queretaro would go to neighbouring state or some go a little further to San Luis Potosi. In other states you may want to check at your local Renta (auto registering office) to see if it is a problem. In Guanajuato state this is not an issue.

We can not get back the deposit you paid when you entered Mexico nor remove your car from Aduana's records. To do so you must leave Mexico with your vehicle and turn in your car permit before you become a Permanent Resident. If you wait until you become a Permanent Resident or Temporary Resident lucritiva with the right to work you will have lost your deposit. I have tried getting back a deposit as recent as this week for a client. He became a PR and a week later Aduana knocked on his door here in SMA reminding him his car was illegal. He then nationalized it.

Sonia Diaz

cell: 044-415-106-1499

soniangel32@hotmail.com

jackak10

Jul 19, 2013, 7:28 AM

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So, does this get a person a valid title that he can use to sell the car to another person, along with valid plates in any state in Mexico? Or is it something else?

Sonia Diaz

Jul 19, 2013, 9:23 AM

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Thanks for asking. Yes a valid Mexican title allowing you to sell car. In SMA as we did this morning, we submitted all required documents to Renta and in 1 to 2 months registration and plates the owner will get. Here in SMA that fee is 851 pesos.

jackak10

Jul 19, 2013, 10:00 AM

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I thought I had read that the UCD "plates" were no more than a cardboard placard carried in the rear window of the car or truck and that there is a small fee paid monthly to the organization that issues them. Am I thinking of something else?

Ric Hoffman

Jul 19, 2013, 11:06 AM

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Hmm, Sonia Diaz sure sounds familiar and has posted identical information as John Garvin (Lovingmexico) who reports:

John the first pedimento and factura arrived electronically and will arrive via courier soon. Herb applied June 20th. I went on line and confirmed it is all correct. Normally we will not get an electronic version just a hard copy but we are all anxious so this is great. Several more will arrive via courier in next few days. We will be at UCD in SMA at 3 pm tomorrow if you want to meet.

Sonia appears to be a fast learner here on Mexconnect providing a service on her very first day as a member. At least she has provided a point of contact cell number and email information.

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And it appears just like John's service they have identical returns which "Both check out as being valid."

Buyer beware. Use an established registered Aduana agent as listed on the official Aduana web site.

(This post was edited by Ric Hoffman on Jul 19, 2013, 11:11 AM)

Sculptari

Jul 19, 2013, 11:39 AM

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John has named his wife many times, this IS the service he is writing about. These are not UCD plates, which are based on an amparo which must be renewed every year, which prevents Aduana (customs) from seizing the vehicle. They supposed to be trying to get the vehicle nationalized and the judges have ruled that five years is the 'reasonable' limit. So people are buying vehicles which last them for five years at a time.
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jackak10

Jul 19, 2013, 12:26 PM

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So it's not UCD plates, but they refer to it as UCD something. Just what is it really?

Sculptari

Jul 19, 2013, 12:45 PM

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John has explained this many times. The UCD organization has made a special arrangement to nationalize vehicles, paying all duties and broker fees. Sonia has been appointed sole agent to deal with english speakers. What you get is the critical Federal paperwork you need to get State plates. This for people who plan to keep their vehicles more than five years, or wish to sell them for their full potential value, rather than the heavily discounted 'chocolate' price.

I think I have it right.
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Sonia Diaz

Jul 19, 2013, 1:08 PM

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Sculptari thanks for your support and what you say is totally accurate.

And, of course this is through a certified broker at the border or else we would not have legal pedimentos and facturas which have been verified on-line. The factura has the name of the certified broker. SMA Venta has today accepted these documents for plates and registration.

http://www.aduanas.sat.gob.mx/soianet/oia_consultarap_cep.aspx

As of July 10, 2013 only one Aduana office in all of Mexico is allowed to accept virtual documents and this process is thanks to the hard work of UCD senior staff. This will not last forever as the Auto Dealers associations do everything they can to stop this.

(This post was edited by Sonia Diaz on Jul 19, 2013, 1:10 PM)

jackak10

Jul 19, 2013, 2:59 PM

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As of July 10, 2013 only one Aduana office in all of Mexico is allowed to accept virtual documents and this process is thanks to the hard work of UCD senior staff. This will not last forever as the Auto Dealers associations do everything they can to stop this.

With all due respect, the last time I heard that "only one office in all of Mexico, etc. etc." was from TioCorp.

Ric Hoffman

Jul 19, 2013, 3:44 PM

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Accurate? I will leave that up to the individual to accept or not.

All I am hearing is double talk concerning this "service". An individual does not "nationalize" a vehicle, you are paying the customs importation tax and other fees associated with being granted the right to bring a vehicle into Mexico. This is known "la importación definitiva de vehículos". Once these have been satisfied you receive a pedimento showing that you have completed the process in accordance with all current laws and regulations. It also acts as your "factura" for ownership purposes. This process must be done using an authorized customs broker according to Aduana law. With your pedimento and other individual state requirement, you may register it with your state of residence.

The Aduana law has always stated that inspection and processing must executed at a port of entry. Most will agree that this may not have been strictly followed in the past. Some have been able to complete the entire process without ever seeing a port of entry. Aduana may have become more vigilant recently in this matter after the rise of swindles similar the TIO Corp Insurance. Which be the way, voiced all the same reasons why you should use their "service" as those offering here.

Campesino organizations cannot issue a pedimento or individual state placas with a tarjeta de circulación, which is a legal requirement to operate a vehicle on state and federal roads. They can only issue an identification that carries no legal right to operate a vehicle on state or federal roads.

I imported my 1999 Mercury in 2008 using an authorized Aduana broker in Nuevo Laredo. I paid MN$4516.00 on the pedimento and a broker fees of MN$3000.00 for a total cost of MN$7516.00 or US$599.47 at today's rate.

Do your homework first, it is cheaper.

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Sonia Diaz

Jul 19, 2013, 3:52 PM

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I will not respond to you again but you are rude and disrespectful. I wonder if it is because I am a woman or a Mexican or both?

The cars are nationalized through a certified broker. The pedimentos and facturas are legal and proven so on line as I noted. Renta accepts these documents and have as recent as today.

Sonia Diaz

playaboy

Jul 19, 2013, 4:27 PM

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Thanks for the info Sonia.

What happens if I want to move back to the States after I import a car here? Does your process include the required USA customs clearance forms you receive when you use a broker at the border?

I would hate to have to pay duties to import my car back into the USA.

Ric Hoffman

Jul 19, 2013, 4:56 PM

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I will not respond to you again but you are rude and disrespectful. I wonder if it is because I am a woman or a Mexican or both?

My posts state facts which are governed by laws and regulations. I do not understand how opposing statements can be taken as "rude and disrespectful". If you are offended with questions or comments I suggest you may be in the wrong line of work and should not play "because I am a woman or Mexican or both" card.

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The cars are nationalized through a certified broker. The pedimentos and facturas are legal and proven so on line as I noted. Renta accepts these documents and have as recent as today.

You have not provided any proof which can be used by others to verifiy the "pedimentos and facturas are legal and proven so on line" only have stated such.

Sonia Diaz

Jul 20, 2013, 7:47 AM

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Process is very similar to the proven process at the Guadalajara Airport and S&S Auto in Ajijic.

http://groups.yahoo.com/...ollist/message/28634

We received our pedimento today exactly one month after Sonia Diaz working with the efficient people at UCD began our paper work. It is indeed feasible and legal to have your foreign NAFTA car nationalized in San Miguel. For those who do not want to drive to the border you should consider using Sonia and the UCD staff to legalize your automobile. Bart Mullis

(This post was edited by Rolly on Jul 20, 2013, 7:55 AM)

jackak10

Jul 20, 2013, 8:36 AM

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We received our pedimento today exactly one month after Sonia Diaz working with the efficient people at UCD began our paper work. It is indeed feasible and legal to have your foreign NAFTA car nationalized in San Miguel. For those who do not want to drive to the border you should consider using Sonia and the UCD staff to legalize your automobile. Bart Mullis

So. Could Bart Mullis post this himself? Makes it more believable.

Sculptari

Jul 20, 2013, 12:35 PM

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Ric - you are the one passing on a great many 'facts' that simply have major holes in them, or are covered in an over simplistic way. The biggest one is your insistence that Aduana must inspect at the border (this is where they have the specialty equipment). You are forgetting that this inspection, or the opportunity to do so, was already completed when you crossed into Mexico and were issued the T.I.P. To pass a new law, requiring reinspection, would be prohibited in Mexico, and protected under the Constitution.
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Ric Hoffman

Jul 20, 2013, 1:32 PM

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This law has been the same for many years, the declaration issued by past presidencies for vehicles address model years, customs fees and any Border States consideration issued. No new laws have been passed concerning vehicle importing. Aduana is only reinforcing current law and regulation.

Aduana has in the past and still does require inspection of any items brought into Mexico, as do most other country. It makes no difference that a T.I.P. was issued or not.

Aduana law is a federal law and is not delegated to individual states to administer or modify. Nor can any campesino organization or individual, claim exclusive or special privileges.

(This post was edited by Ric Hoffman on Jul 20, 2013, 3:35 PM)

Sculptari

Jul 20, 2013, 3:18 PM

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I don't why you can't get this. The UCD is using a licensed customs broker to pay Aduana who then issue the paperwork for State licensing. If the vehicle was purchased in the U.S.A., and has never been into Mexico, it has to be inspected. If was already in Mexico, it has already been inspected and V.I.N. confirmed in the case of T.I.P.s.

Why they are doing this? UCD represents families and farmers who are trying to get a better deal on used cars and equipment, they are a strong political force and voting block. You will have a difficult time trying to discredit this organization They have appointed Sonia as their facilitator because they are not setup to deal with English only speakers, it would impair their office functions. It is most likely an experiment on how to deal with the millions of U.S. plated cars in Mexico owned by Mexicans.
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Sonia Diaz

Jul 20, 2013, 3:53 PM

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Thanks Sculptari

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/smacoollist/message/28646

There has been lots of back and forth on list about what what one can and can
not do to get a NAFTA vehicle legalized here in Mexico due to a change in
Immigration status.
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> I have almost completed the process, all I am missing are the plates and I
have been promised those by the State Government in about a month. These will
NOT be UCD plates but real plates from the State.
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> I did not have to go to the border. I contacted Sonia Diaz,
soniangel@132@..., cell phone 415-106-1499 and she made it happen.
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> I have the a factua, a pedimento, and various receipts.
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> Please do not contact me directly for pricing or process, this is Sonia's
business, but I have successfully accomplished this, again without leaving San
Miguel.
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> I have all the papers and was assured by the "DMV" I am completely legal!
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> Remember this only works for NAFTA cars so if you love your RAV4, then don't
bother. Sonia may have other options but I can not speak to them, only what I
have experienced, and it works and is painless.
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> Herb Wilson
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> Thanks
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> Herb Wilson

jackak10

Jul 20, 2013, 5:03 PM

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Again, if "Herb Wilson" were to post himself instead of you quoting him, it would be more believable.

playaboy

Jul 20, 2013, 6:10 PM

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Sonia, Please answer my question about the USA paperwork? Will I have a problem bringing my car back to the USA if I want to return and live there?

John Roarback

Jul 20, 2013, 10:27 PM

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Playaboy, I think the topic was discussed in one of the locked, moved, closed, jacked, topics that are now scattered all over Mexconnect .

I believe that you retain your USA or Canadian title after this "nationalization through UCD" is finished, as you also retain your USA or Canadian plates. Someone who posted here contacted Texas about the situation and Texas said that they do not care what Mexico had done with the car, if it was titled in Texas, then it is still titled in Texas.

If your moving back to the USA and have the old Texas title and Texas plates from before nationalization, I would simply stop at the border, switch the plates back to the old Texas ones, and cross. Then the next day take the Texas title to Texas DMV and get current Texas plates. I really do not know about any other state, as I did not read any discussion on other states.

Then if so desired you can throw Mexico's Pedimento Factura Plates and what not straight into the trash. Unless you plan on going back and forth, which was discussed also. In that case you would keep all of Mexico's plates facturas pedimentos and what not, and reverse the process.

It was mentioned that some people (Mexicans) in the border region maintain current plates, titles, insurance, etc from both countries, on USA to Mexico nationalized vehicles.

It was discussed that in the case that Mexico were to retain your Texas title, that Texas would immediately issue a replacement if requested, again Texas not caring what Mexico did with the car.

(This post was edited by John Roarback on Jul 20, 2013, 10:29 PM)

Sonia Diaz

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John you are exactly right. Thank you for your common sense.

I have posted the link to where two with pedimentos etc have written their comments I have pasted here. One can simply look at the link. They also posted I believe on at least one other web board. To some the world is still flat.

For those who think you have to go to the border to nationalize there are a few exceptions. One is you can work with UCD in the state of Chihuahua or Oaxaca or travel to the Guadalajara airport or S & S Auto in Ajijic for example. These are proven methods as well to nationalize. For the Guadalajara Airport and S & S you can read about it on the Chapala.com web board. Note in every case there is an approved broker at the border who is involved who processes the documents, pays Aduana etc.

The Guadalajara airport fees are 23000 to 35000 p as reported by those who have successfully nationalized their cars there.

Also, one can find the cost to nationalize cars on the Aduana's web site. For some reason Toyotas can be more expensive as are trucks with diesel engines and cars more than 29 years old deemed collector cars. One lady in Ajijic was just quoted 400,000 pesos to nationalize her 1966 Morgan. Every year, make and model has a different price to nationalize and obtaining an exact price starts with a VIN. Yes an old vehicle can be under $1000 but Aduana's web site will show some at thousands.

UCD is a very influential organization with hundreds of thousands of members and they initiated these programs with government approval to helps those with illegal vehicles to which we refer to as "chocolates". Aduana has started to clamp down on these vehicles. Now expats are finding themselves in a similar situation as neither a Permanent Resident nor a Temporary Resident lucritiva (right to work) can have a foreign plated vehicle. UCD's goal was to be able to assist these car owners to nationalize them at a reduced fee. In Guanajuato state the Governor did not want a reduced fee as there are many existing and new car assembly and parts plants in Guanauato state and he did not want to anger them. So, after 7 months of meetings he agreed to this program similar to a few other states but no reduction in fee.

Once one has their pedimento and factura showing the funds paid to Aduana it is very easy to check if they are legal. One simply enters the data here:

http://www.aduanas.sat.gob.mx/soianet/oia_consultarap_cep.aspx

Immediately you would know if the documents are legit. This is the same web site used when you apply locally at Renta to register your vehicle and to obtain plates. For someone to say this is illegal they need to check out the current process. The documents we receive are legal and valid or we would not be involved nor offering 100% refund if there is a problem. The refund guarantee is written on each receipt.

playaboy

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John thanks for your response. I have read all the posts scattered about. I do understand what you are saying about keeping your US plates and title.

I know there are roundabout ways of getting things done in MX. There are all kinds of facilitators that have their connections that can accomplish things.

I am asking a simple question directed toward one person. I am not asking Rolly, Ric Hoffman, John Roarback, Robt65 or any others here.

Sonia and John, I am trying to decide if I want to use your services, Guad airport, S&S auto, the photo shop in Barra Navidad, the broker in Chetumal or use a broker at the USA border. I would like you or your husband to please answer this very simple question. Your answer is either a YES or NO.

Does your process include the required USA customs clearance forms you receive when you use a broker at the border?

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