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Bubba

Feb 16, 2007, 1:21 PM

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Today´s Cuarto Poder published in Tuxtla Gutierrez was headlining this story.

The trafficking of illegals from Central America into Mexico with the ultimate goal of reaching the U.S. for most of them is a $3,500,000,000 (that´s right, billion) a year business. At least 85% of those illegals pass over the border in Chiapas which has a 658.5 kilometer border with Guatemala constituting 58% of the southern border of Mexico. Hundreds of thousands of illegals cross annually aided by gangs of coyotes (90 gangs in the Soconusco Region alone) in concert with corrupt Mexican officials. Most of this traffic in illegals used to go through the Soconusco but, since the train rail head has been moved to Arriaga instead of Tapachula after recent hurricane damage, routes for illegals have spread out and they now have crossing trails in 19 frontier municipalities including a number in the Lacandon Forest. These trails have also spread to Tabasco State.

Coyotes can charge between $50US and $300US per person for Central Americans. For illegals from Africa, the Middle East and Asia they get between $3,000US and $15,000US per illegal.

These illegals have to share the road with their Chiapanecan brothers and sisters on their way north.

I see them building that wall up there to stop desperate people who have run the gamut through the Lacandon Forest, corrupt cops and officials and gangs of thugs just so the can then cross the Arizona desert and work in a chicken processing plant or scrub toilets and I don´t know if I should laugh or cry.

sfmacaws

Feb 16, 2007, 3:37 PM

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Considering that, according to Novedades de Quintana Roo Al Qaeda has called for attacks on Mexico and other countries that supply oil to the US, that loose border down there so close to Tabasco and Veracruz is kind of scary. Also of course, I'm not thrilled that large tourist centers filled with US tourists (like nearby Cancun) are also considered a good target in what passes for a brain among these folks.

So, if it costs $3000 to $15,000 to get some muslim terrorist across the border in Chiapas, which is chump change to those oil rich creeps, I think we should offer a bigger reward for their heads in Mexico and catch a few before they get to the wall.

Jonna - Mérida, Yucatán

raferguson

Feb 16, 2007, 3:48 PM

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I have heard that trafficking in people is, or will be, a bigger industry than drugs.

In Houston this week, they raided a house containing 46 illegals who were being kept prisoner by their smugglers, probably to get more money out of their families.

The economics are pretty straightforward. To make the math simple, lets assume that the worker is being paid $8 US per day in Mexico, and $8 US per hour in Mexico.

Mexican income: 250 work days x 8 dollars is about $2,000 US

US income: 2000 hours x 8 dollars is $16,000 US per year.

The difference is $14,000 per year. I am not sure what the going rate is for a coyote, probably $2000-$3000 US. It is easy to justify paying a coyote $3000 to get you across the border, you will make that money back in three months. If the border is tightened, and the coyote charges $7000, you can make that back in six months.

We should not be surprised that people who see limited opportunities in Mexico or elsewhere will try to cross the border illegally. It really comes down to money.

Of course, this is a global phenomena, with Africans immigrating to Europe, Ecuadorians immigrating to Spain, etc.

Richard

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Bubba

Feb 16, 2007, 4:49 PM

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The federales told us last year ,that they were looking for terrorists crossing the border down there . They told us that they were getting extra training from the US to look for Al Qaeda type guys. Considering how sucessful the US was at stopping the 911 guys, it is all pretty scary.
They also said they were catching middle Eastern people trying to cross. God knows if this is correct but this is what they told us when they stopped us.

sfmacaws

Feb 16, 2007, 5:02 PM

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I still say twenty grand per head on a stick would be cheaper and more efficient. Those cartel guys even have experience.

Jonna - Mérida, Yucatán

Brian

Feb 16, 2007, 6:07 PM

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The majority of the "middle Eastern people" caught have been Iraqi Chaldeans. These are Christians fleeing religious persecution who have established a sizable community in San Diego County and they primarily cross into the US near Tijuana. I have never heard of INAMI agents being referred to as federales before. Were you stopped at a military checkpoint or was it as a result of some police operation?

Brian

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Bubba

Feb 17, 2007, 7:28 AM

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We were routinely stopped by a federal cop near La Trinitaria, Chiapas who stopped us to talk as he was from Jalisco and we had Jalisco plates. He told us casually they were working in concert with U.S. officials who were training them to prevent "terrorists" from entering Mexico and he told us that they had stopped "Arabs" crossing illegalIy from Guatemala with no indication as to their origin or reason to have attempted illegal entry into Mexico presumably on their way to the U.S. It was not a check point. Down there it is very common to be checked over and over. Military, Migracion, drug police whatever they are called, the federal police and the local police. You even get your picture taken on some of the overnight bus trips. You will be sleeping and someone flashes light in your face to see the color of your skin. No problem with profiling down there. I go back and forth every month and we get checked about 4 to 5 times before getting out of Chiapas. Some friends from Tuxtla are indigenous and the last time they came up here they were joking about how many time they were checked.

I don´t quite understand why the Iraqi Chaldeans would need to try to cross Mexico from Chiapas illegally when there is a sizeable Iraqi Chaldean community in San Diego County fleeing religious persecution. It seems to me that they would have favored immigration status in the U.S. Also, why cross in Chiapas and undergo the harrowing trip all the way through Mexico when they could simply have flown to Tijuana?

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Brian

Feb 17, 2007, 4:58 PM

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Also, why cross in Chiapas and undergo the harrowing trip all the way through Mexico when they could simply have flown to Tijuana?

Crossing at Mexico's southern boundary doesn't necessarily entail a harrowing trip the length of the country. Once in Mexico, domestic flights from Tuxtla or D.F. to Tijuana are available to those of financial means. I suppose your question is just as valid when applied to any Al Quaeda guys as well. In that case, they would probably be hitching a ride northward with their alleged buddies from Central America, the Mara Salvatrucha. Now THAT is scary...........

wendy devlin

Feb 17, 2007, 6:07 PM

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One of my most unnerving moments...was when phoned by a 'coyote' from Tijuana...regarding family members trying to cross the border.

Something, never, ever to be wished on anyone else.

Bloviator

Feb 18, 2007, 5:42 AM

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Remember Bubba. We are fighting them there so that we won't have to fight them here (Well not here here except for the Mexican oil fields, but there here - the US). The sizable Iraqi refugee population is being scrutinized very carefully so that no terrorists will be among those allowed into the US. The result is that there are few political or any other type of Iraqi refugees being allowed into the US.

Although the Chaldeans are Christians, those Islamofascists are sneaky devils and could pose as Chaldeans.

When as and if we end up leaving Iraq, I doubt that we will allow large numbers of refugees to come to the US as we did Vietnamese. It is a reasonable assumption that at least some of those who would seek entry would be unfriendly - even hostile to the US.