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tonyburton


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esperanza

Nov 4, 2006, 7:08 AM

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DoDi2


Nov 4, 2006, 11:18 AM

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geri said:
But many people now think they can whip the FEDS. Is that a good thing? Doesn't that just make them more aggressive in a battle they are going to lose? APPO only has support in my opinion to get rid of the governor. Yes, that will be a big victory but it won't solve the problem if all APPO says is true about the injustices.

The main, or at least one of the main, garbage disposal areas is blocked. People are putting their garbage on the street. I suppose not unblocking the garbage area might be to undermine APPOs political power. The middle class adapted to the road blockades (for the good of the cause). Hundreds of burned buses didn't affect the middle class as far as getting from point A to point B. However, a city full of swill could lead to more serious complications. Leaders are meeting, strategizing, negotiating. We can't possibly know what's going on behind the scenes when there are two or three stories about what's happening on the ground.

People in the U.S. have it way more figured out than Mexicans I talk to. There is still a LOT of apathy. They go about their day to day living, knowing that things won't change even if the governor goes. This is especially true of the villagers. I haven't heard how much support APPO has been able to garner in the villages. I think many of the village teachers have gone back to work. At least 4,000 schools are reportedly open, 13,000 closed. But you can't believe the press, since the press said the FEDS had no intention of going into the university.


I wanted to post geri's excellent comment from yesterdays thread because although I clearly have a lot of sympathy for the students and teachers what you say geri is so very true from what I hear.

For instance today I'm attending a baptism and just came back from the breakfast. Everyone there are here working NOB but originally they come from the villages around Ocotlan and they are getting pretty put out because the barricades have interfered with family members back home being able to get to the city to work or to carry on thier business selling produce to the vendedores or buying produce to resell in the village mercados. Its become an economic problem for many especially outside the city who depend on transportation and camionetas.

This dia de muertos the candy and fruits were not so available and those that were were very expensive because these things are not coming into Oaxaca warehouses. Also the villagers arent able to sell flowers and bread as easily as in normal times because of the blockades.

APPO needs to do something about this problem or it's going to have people turning against them soon.


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arbon

Nov 4, 2006, 12:11 PM

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Our man in Chiapas, Bubba reports,

"As far as I know, there is no direct highway between Palenque and Guatemala. Banners and grafitti in Chiapas supporting Atenco and Oaxaca are ubiquitous and pretty meaningless in general. It´s just like some organization such as EZLN to put up a roadblock on a highway nobody uses. Much ado about nothing."

http://ww4report.com/node/2728
Zapatistas block roads in Chiapas —and on US border

Meanwhile at the other end of Mexico, in southern Chiapas state, thousands of indigenous Zapatista followers blocked 20 roads in protest of the Oaxaca repression Nov. 1. Caravans of hundreds of trucks issued from the Zapatista strongholds in the jungles and mountains of the impoverished, mostly rural state, halting to form human barricades at strategic highway intersections for up to 45 minutes at periodic intervals throughout the day. Detachments of federal and state police were sent to the blockades, but did not interfere. Among those blockaded was the road leading to the Rancho Nuevo military base off the main highway through the Highlands. Roads were also blocked at Comitan, Frontera Comalapa, Ocosingo and Altamirano.
Teachers from local Section 7 and followers of the worker and peasant branches of the Emiliano Zapata Organization (OPEZ and OCEZ) also blocked roads on the Pacific coast, including the international bridge linking Chiapas to Guatemala.


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wendy devlin

Nov 4, 2006, 12:54 PM

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Below is a link to a list of 55 'mistakes' that Ulises Ruiz is alleged to have made during his brief time in office as state governor. Many consider his election, full of corrupt practices.

The governor before him, is considered to have even 'faked' his own asassination.

Understanding words like cacique and oligarchy might be helpful when considering the southern Mexican states.

In my opinion, in some of the Northern states in Mexico, people have managed, over time, to overturn some of the stranglehold local caciques or entrenched oligrachy families have over local regions and their economies.

Here there is some 'sense' of democracy', and a loss of a sense of absolute political powerlessness. In the southern Mexican states, many have yet to feel they have any real power over the electoral process and the power structure.

The present volatile situation may be well be an attempt to gain what people feel has been attained in the north of Mexico.

However when negotiation fails, the consequence can be increased fatalities.

Understand too, that there is background politics to whom Ulises could name as his successor, should he step down, and the critical dates involved prior to Dec.


http://srv2.vanguardia.com.mx/...9/SecID.38/index.sal


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Bubba

Nov 4, 2006, 1:44 PM

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http://ww4report.com/node/2728
Zapatistas block roads in Chiapas —and on US border

Meanwhile at the other end of Mexico, in southern Chiapas state, thousands of indigenous Zapatista followers blocked 20 roads in protest of the Oaxaca repression Nov. 1. Caravans of hundreds of trucks issued from the Zapatista strongholds in the jungles and mountains of the impoverished, mostly rural state, halting to form human barricades at strategic highway intersections for up to 45 minutes at periodic intervals throughout the day. Detachments of federal and state police were sent to the blockades, but did not interfere. Among those blockaded was the road leading to the Rancho Nuevo military base off the main highway through the Highlands. Roads were also blocked at Comitan, Frontera Comalapa, Ocosingo and Altamirano.
Teachers from local Section 7 and followers of the worker and peasant branches of the Emiliano Zapata Organization (OPEZ and OCEZ) also blocked roads on the Pacific coast, including the international bridge linking Chiapas to Guatemala.


Now, now, Arbon:

We do recognize "news" from a partisan blog do we not?

This was a typical short lived affair much exaggerated by some but I´ll tell you what, your intrepid reporter Bubba will soon be making his way to the wilds of impoverished and radicalized Chiapas, from whence his bride recently returned without (admitted) incident, and report back to this board his findings in a most objective manner.

I can´t figure out why the local press in Chiapas is covering this up unless, of course, as I indicated earlier, this may be much ado about nothing. By the way there is always a demonstration of some sort in San Cristobal. That is part of its charm. While I do not take sides in these matters, they usually have great inspirational music.



arbon

Nov 4, 2006, 2:02 PM

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I hope you do better than the Canadian CBC reporter "Tim" who never gets to where he is sent.

He phones in, and says "Hi, Tim here"

reply...."so Tim how are things in Chiapas?"

"well I didn't quite make it to Chiapas yet."

"I'm here in Cancun enjoying a Dos Equis, waiting for a bus from Palenque."
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esperanza

Nov 4, 2006, 3:37 PM

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I just drove home via Avenida Enrique Díaz de León in downtown Guadalajara. What did I see but a ragtag group of bandana-faced EZLN and APPO supporters trudging toward the UdeG, waving the red hammer and sickle flag and escorted by a GDL policeman on a bicycle.

¡Viva México Qué viva!




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Bubba

Nov 4, 2006, 6:39 PM

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Great stuff Esperanza, no wonder Larrainzar was tranquilo, they were all in Guadalajara!



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Ron Pickering W3FJW


Nov 4, 2006, 6:56 PM

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BUBBA !!! You're speechless............

The quote function might not be working again. Went through all that while you were whever you were last week..
Getting older and still not down here.


Bubba

Nov 5, 2006, 6:28 AM

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Ron:

Cute. That response was by my wife and was a response to Esperanza´s post just above it. I can´t speak for either of them but it appears to me that Guadalajara around UdeG is going up in flames while the Zapatista stronghold of Larrainzar in Chiapas is tranquil. Apparently the Zapatistas got lost somewhere on their roadtrip between Juarez City and Chiapas and are taking over central Guadalajara. Perhaps those avoiding Oaxaca and Chiapas might want to add Guadalajara to their list once they see news photos of this "alarming unrest".


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esperanza

Nov 5, 2006, 7:20 AM

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Ron:

Cute. That response was by my wife and was a response to Esperanza´s post just above it. I can´t speak for either of them but it appears to me that Guadalajara around UdeG is going up in flames while the Zapatista stronghold of Larrainzar in Chiapas is tranquil. Apparently the Zapatistas got lost somewhere on their roadtrip between Juarez City and Chiapas and are taking over central Guadalajara. Perhaps those avoiding Oaxaca and Chiapas might want to add Guadalajara to their list once they see news photos of this "alarming unrest".


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