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Brian

Oct 20, 2006, 5:15 AM

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It has been announced that the schools will reopen by the end of the month. The teachers have dissociated themselves from the self-policing of the community which even they are now calling vigilantism. I also think that the photos published world-wide had a great effect in their realizing how their image as educators has been tarnished and that their goals can still be accomplished without resorting to violence. APPO is another story. I am including two links. One is a poignant photograph of two children who, instead of being in school, are witnessing an atrocity committed supposedly on their behalf. The other is the news story announcing the return to classes.

http://www.mexiconews.com.mx/21082.html

View photos here.-

saludos

Brian

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arbon

Oct 20, 2006, 9:38 AM

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Oh Yes, sending photos around the World, really gets results. ROTFLMAO.
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Brian

Oct 20, 2006, 9:46 AM

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arbon

Oct 20, 2006, 11:56 AM

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Here is another link from the same news source.

Documents link past presidents to CIA

http://www.mexiconews.com.mx/miami/vi_21075.html

The Washington-based National Security Archive suggests Mexico´s leaders were giving the CIA misinformation about the Tlatelolco massacre

WASHINGTON - Mexico´s president and interior secretary at the time of the 1968 massacre of protesters in Mexico City were both CIA informants and the intelligence they provided had the effect of misleading Washington policymakers about who was responsible for the repression, declassified U.S. documents show.
The revelations appeared Wednesday on the web site of the National Security Archive, a Washington-based independent research organization.
The group posted more than two dozen declassified documents detailing the CIA´s recruitment of senior Mexican officials over the 1956-1969 period.
The highest-placed CIA sources were Gustavo Díaz Ordaz, who served as president of Mexico from 1964-1970, and his eventual successor, Luis Echeverría, who was interior secretary.
"Never before had there been official verification, via declassified documents, that the CIA relied on high-level Mexican government officials to provide intelligence reports on political events in that country," Kate Doyle, director of the Archive´s Mexico Project, told EFE.
At a time when the Institutional Revolutionary Party (PRI), which governed for more than 70 years, "was using coercion and violently repressing the opposition in that country, the CIA was giving the United States deceptive information obtained from high-level officials in that government," Doyle said.
Doyle said the documents described a situation in which both Díaz Ordaz and Echeverría "gave CIA officers information that they wanted the U.S. government to believe about the Tlatelolco massacre."

This was another example of how the CIA, as with Iraq, did not do a good job of "obtaining intelligence information in an objective manner and analyzing it," Doyle said.
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Ron Pickering W3FJW

Oct 20, 2006, 4:36 PM

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And another link that may be of interest.

http://news.yahoo.com/...mexico_oaxaca_unrest

BYW, is there any way to add a post to a thread without replying to another post??
Getting older and still not down here.

tonyburton

Oct 20, 2006, 5:13 PM

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is there any way to add a post to a thread without replying to another post??

No... your options are either to reply to an existing post or start another thread!

Ron Pickering W3FJW

Oct 20, 2006, 7:05 PM

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OK Thanks Tony. It would be nice if there was. One might want to interject a different opinion on a thread without getting the person one has to pick to reply to the thread involved.
But, such is life in it's many forms.

Have a good one.
Getting older and still not down here.

Brian

Oct 20, 2006, 7:22 PM

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Presto!

geri

Oct 21, 2006, 6:59 PM

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I wouldn't count on it. There's much misinformation in the press, both positive and negative. I think we're in for a longer haul. At least that's the word on the street.

Brian

Oct 21, 2006, 7:07 PM

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In Reply To

I wouldn't count on it. There's much misinformation in the press, both positive and negative. I think we're in for a longer haul. At least that's the word on the street.

We are talking about the schools reopening, right? That is the subject of this thread. I knew that the teachers still have to vote as to which date it will become effective. So the word on the street is that they may continue the strike? Sorry for spreading the misinformation... Brian

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geri

Oct 22, 2006, 11:53 AM

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Chisme is that the teachers voted 1/3 to 2/3 in the wee hours this morning to go back to the classroom tomorrow. I'm not betting my SS check on it, even though the vote was punctuated with hour-long fireworks. It is a VERY complicated political bruhaha that even most Mexicans here don't fully understand. I mean, there doesn't seem to be "one take" on it, but several, even those supposedly reporting "the facts" have several versions/slants. (of course).

If I don't get trounced by posters from the U.S. who think they know what SHOULD be done in Oaxaca and by ANTI-Oaxacan aficiciandos (sp?), I'm willing to report once in awhile my observations as a person who is trying very hard to keep up with what's happening. I just don't want to get into a political discussion of right and wrong and what SHOULD be. So, please start another thread for that discussion, okay? Is that a reasonable request? We can keep this thread for what the teachers are going to do or are doing or not doing. APPO and the teachers, I think, are going to butt heads. Then what?

In my mind, it's so complicated a situation that I personally can't make decision who to be "for" or "agin." I wish it were more simple. I still hold out hope that in the end, however it ends, that some wrongs will be righted in Oaxaca. Even so, it's at a GREAT financial/economic cost (maybe even loss of life), but when you're talking about social change/human rights, aren't those losses normal, historically?

I'll report back whether the teachers went back into the classrooms, whether all of them are back teaching, etc. I doubt that this information will hit the maintstream media for several days. I think this is ONE discussion. What APPO does and should do, I'd personally like to see on another thread. (I'm deciding that most violence is APPO associated. That doesn't mean teachers aren't involved, but the APPO element is aggressive. Again, I am not saying if that's good or bad. Only history will tell.) Sorry to be such a "control freak," but I'm weary of threads re Oaxaca weaving all over the place, with no continuity. This is an important Mexconnect thread and a service to Mexconnect subscribers if we keep hysterics out of it. Or am I off-base?

geri

Oct 23, 2006, 2:03 PM

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The teachers voted NOT to go back to the classroom, 25,000 + to 29,000+ for continuing the strike.

waltw

Oct 23, 2006, 5:28 PM

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It seems that Enrique Rueda Pacheco, the head of teacher's union, is having serious problems with his base, due his pre-announcement last week that the teachers would return to classes Oct. 23, Oct. 25 or Oct. 30.

I don't feel qualified to be for or against either, but it's certainly interesting looking at it all unfold from the sidelines. The unfortunate consequence is economic, as lots of people, businesses, etc. in Oaxaca City are being negatively impacted. Went out to the Oaxaca Zoo yesterday, which is a small but well-maintained, local zoo close to Mitla with a number of large cats. There were only about 20 people there this Sunday. The zoo staff we talked to said the zoo has definitely been impacted by the political situation.

Living here, I'm trying to keep up with the situation as best I can.
Most of the information I read in English about APPO and the teachers is strongly biased to the right or the left.
I reading like Mark in Mexico on the right, because he writes well and is so opinionated it's entertaining: http://markinmexico.blogspot.com/

I like Nancy Davies and George Salzman on the left, who seem to have a good grasp of the conflict from APPO's perspective:
http://www.narconews.com/

wendy devlin

Oct 24, 2006, 7:36 AM

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Geri,

> This is an important Mexconnect thread and a service to Mexconnect subscribers if we keep hysterics out of it. Or am I off-base?

I appreciate your 'slant'.
And read your postings in the context of someone who has made Oaxaca City their home base for eight years. And wishes to share your experiences, background, sympathies and...confusion.

Your point of view, is just that, your POV but it does give readers, more information.

In this volatile situation, "the facts" are being wrenched widely to the 'left' or 'right' by the media, by the bloggers, by the forum posters etc.

Objective reporting...what's that?

As for your frustration regarding the threads about Oaxaca weaving all over the place, with no continuity, well, we can try to separate topics.

However in times of upheaval, the inter-'weaving's of thousands of lives is likely to be complex, and defy simplistic definitions.