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RonMader


Jul 17, 2006, 10:11 AM

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Guelaguetza Cancelled

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For the first time, Oaxaca cancelled the official Guelaguetza presentation on Cerro Fortin. It is a tense situation today as the teachers have blockaded access and the government cannot assure the safety of tourists, locals or the dancers.

Yikes! It is a very tense situation. For those paying attention, google
http://news.google.com/...es&q=Guelaguetza



Bubba

Jul 20, 2006, 5:17 PM

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Re: [RonMader] Guelaguetza Cancelled

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Thank you for the information I think many people were not aware of it. The situation was tense when we were there , then improved but it sounds like it is taking a turn for the worst. It is a shame.
For those interested in La Danza de la Pluma, Francisco Ruiz, the carpet vendor on the carratera in Ajijic will be dancing in Teotitlan in September , October, November and December for the Fiesta de la Guadalupe.
I can get the dates if anyone is interrested. They all fall on dates to honor the Virgin but I do not have a calender in front of me.0 The Danza is the story of the Zapotecs taken over by the Aztecs , taken over by the Spaniards (very stylized to say the least) Francisco is Moctezuma and dances with 8 other danzantes and 2 little girls known as the Malinches. One is dressed as a Spanish girl the other as an Indian girl. The dance starts around 12 noon and ends after dark.
If you attend do not sit on the front row as it is reserved for the guests , the elders and people with charges and you will eventually will be kicked out.. The guys with the sticks are the local policemen. The musique is great and everyone is welcome. It is not as varied as the Guelaguetza but it is a true traditional dance of Teotitlan.
The Danzantes have to rehearse for 6 months 8 hours a day to be able to do it.
It is a 3 year task given to the young men. It is an honour to be a danzante but also a big financial burden. Do not miss stopping by if you are in Oaxaca State.
The strike is really hurting a lot of poor people and busines for everyone so visiting the other areas is a way to support the families who have nothing to do with the political situation.
Brigitte


curandera

Jul 22, 2006, 2:35 PM

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Re: [RonMader] Guelaguetza Cancelled

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Ron- Can you post an update on the situation? Not much news is coming out in the US or world press. The destruction of historic buildings and hotels seems to be increasing,if one can believe some of the blogs that are out there. One AP press did quote a woman saying that she had seen burning and looting in one of the theaters on the Alcala.

Any indication that there will be a popular uprising against those who are trying to effect change by destroying Oaxaca heritage? I can't believe how quiet the press is on this.


Rolly


Jul 22, 2006, 2:45 PM

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There is pretty good coverage by this paper: http://www.mexiconews.com.mx/

You will also find some news on MexConnect HOME page. Click on HOME in the blue band at the top of the screen.

http://markinmexico.blogspot.com/...nmexico_archive.html is a bolg with eye witness accounts.

Rolly Pirate

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RonMader


Jul 22, 2006, 5:46 PM

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Photos from Oaxaca

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Pics

Guelaguetza in Zaachila
http://www.flickr.com/photos/planeta/195487089
http://www.flickr.com/photos/planeta/195487090

Zocalo
http://www.flickr.com/photos/planeta/195426307

Textiles and Videos
http://www.flickr.com/photos/planeta/195396238

Globos
http://www.flickr.com/photos/planeta/195406185

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arbon

Jul 23, 2006, 3:28 PM

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Rolly, on Marks blog, he said he could not find this warning from the Consulate of Canada .
http://www.voyage.gc.ca/...ur-en.asp?txt_ID=798

Last Updated: July 17, 2006 15:30 EDT
Still Valid: July 23, 2006 18:18 EDT
Originally Posted: June 15, 2006 13:37 EDT

Mexico – Oaxaca - demonstrations


You are advised to exercise extreme caution if travelling to the city of Oaxaca, especially the city centre. Since June 14, 2006, striking teachers have held protests in the city of Oaxaca, resulting in violence and injuries. Small groups of protestors are still gathered in the city's main square (Zócalo) and their presence has resulted in the cancellation of the city's dance festival. As of July 10, the strike has been suspended for four weeks to allow students to complete the school year. However, as their demands have yet to be resolved, teachers plan to continue strike actions and protests downtown in early August. Meanwhile, business and government offices across the city continue their regular operations. Protests have also occurred in the states of Guerrero, Michoacán and Zacatecas. Further protests and demonstrations are possible throughout Mexico.

Canadians travelling to these regions are advised to exercise caution. They should also avoid large gatherings and public areas where demonstrations could occur, monitor local news reports, follow the advice of local authorities, and contact the Consulate of Canada in Oaxaca, the Consulate of Canada in Acapulco, the Embassy of Canada in Mexico City, or Foreign Affairs and International Trade Canada at 001-800-514-0129, should they require assistance.


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RonMader


Jul 24, 2006, 2:05 PM

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Updating tips for travelers online Planeta
http://www.planeta.com/...xaca/oaxacatips.html

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waltw

Jul 27, 2006, 4:20 PM

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Took the bus from Mexico into Oaxaca City and arrived early Sunday morning, July 23rd. The bus unloaded a couple of miles away from the ADO station, the typical drop off point. Was told the reason for this was that the teachers had confiscated one or more buses at the ADO station.

Throughout the week, saw some disturbing signs, including two guys with their faces covered with black plastic bags, their eyes poking out, carrying large, wooden sticks, blocking traffic near the Centro. Shortly after passing them, saw a convoy of five or six jeeps carrying armed policemen heading their way.

One local radio station throughout the week played a continuous string of interviews from disgruntled teachers, angrily calling for the removal of the governor. The zocolo is a mess, with teachers camped out everywhere.

Local residents seem incensed over the whole issue, and are not happy with either the governor or the teachers.

A brother-in-law of mine, who drives a local bus in Oaxaca, opted to stay home for a couple of days, due to the tense situation.


Bubba

Jul 27, 2006, 6:29 PM

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Tuesday night at the bus station in San Cristobal a man who had come a few days before told me the bus had been stopped on the roads and that no one could get off as there was fighting around the bus on the carratera he also told me the trip took way longer because of the closed roads and detours. He said on Tuesday night that his family had told him it was ok to return now.
Anyone knows if he was correct?

At the time we were in Oaxaca lots of rumors were flying about banks being closed, gaz stations etc..We did not find it true, on the other hand our hotel had to close down for lack of water as the teachers were emptying the water trucks that were trying to bring water to the hotel.. In times like this it is sometimes difficult to know what is really happening from one day to the other.


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curandera

Jul 27, 2006, 8:35 PM

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Re: [Bubba] Guelaguetza Cancelled

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From the AP Press July 24, 2006

Protests deter tourists from Oaxaca
BY IOAN GRILLO Associated Press
OAXACA, Mexico - Protesters have taken over the center of folkloric Oaxaca, making tourists show identification at makeshift checkpoints, smashing the windows of quaint hotels and spray-painting revolutionary slogans. Police are nowhere in sight.

It's not the tranquil cultural gem beloved by tourists from the United States and Europe. A month of protests to try to oust the governor have forced authorities to cancel many events, including the Guelaguetza dance festival.

Most tourists are staying away, costing the city millions of dollars.

The clashes in Oaxaca have paralyzed one of Mexico's top cultural tourist attractions, where visitors normally browse traditional markets for Indian handicrafts, hike ancient pyramids and stroll along cobblestone streets to sample native dishes.

The protests have...

For the complete article, please visit http://www.kansas.com/.../living/15096163.htm

[edited by TB in the interests of netiquette]

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Gringal

Jul 27, 2006, 8:51 PM

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A former student of mine has been in Oaxaca for a month-long class, staying with a wealthy family. Her emails indicate that she is kind of clueless re what's going on, but hasn't had a problem, personally. She and others are stiil able to go out in the evenings for dinner, etc. They don't feel unsafe as yet. They are very aware of the protests.


geri

Jul 29, 2006, 7:46 AM

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I'm not in Oaxaca at the moment but the emails I receive from friends living there say that media reports are highly exaggerated, slanted toward the dark and dramatic. Some say that in some ways the zocalo area is getting back to "the way it was." The Indian vendors have returned. It's circus-like and of course the tarps and tents are a nuisance, but they are also "temporary." Hopefully. I watched the zocalo, poco a poco, become gentrified during the past 5 years or so, until ALL the vendors had been chased away. I have to admit that the new trim, flowery, neatly paved, civilized zocalo sort of sucked me in, but the tablecloths and menu prices at the outdoor cafes now cater to a more upscale traveler. Part of me misses the off-key trumpet player, the rag tag kids building a human pyramid for pesos, the mentally-challenged "terrorist" who used to hold up diners with his cardboard machine gun and the table-to-table vendors selling everything from trinkets made in China to fine handmade textiles. There's no simple answer or solution to what is happening in Oaxaca. Reporters who report that vendors are suffering are probably talking to high-end vendors (boutiques, etc.) I personally know that one vendor selling handwoven table runners has been suffering for more than a year now, since she got booted out of the zocalo. My opinion (and it's only an opinion) is that the tourist dollars of the last few years haven't trickled down to the individuals who need it most, but probably stay in the pockets of the big hotel and fancy restaurant owners, thus actually increasing the gap between rich and poor. I could, of course, be wrong! Wait staff is hurting because some restaurants have had to close. I will return to my Oaxacan home at the end of August. It's certainly a roughly-hewn area (the 3 valleys, not my house) and has traditionally appealed to the roughly-hewn, adventure traveler more than the upscale I-need-a/c type. That is, until recent years.

I can't imagine that Oaxaca will become "dangerous," unless outside forces/interests move in and stir the pot (which is why, as I understand it, IDs were being checked for a few days.) I expect a robust winter season for the rooms I rent away from the zocalo a bit, but still within peaceful, picturesque centro Oaxaca.


geri

Jul 29, 2006, 7:56 AM

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What this report doesn't explain fully is that the Guelaguetza that was cancelled was the govt. sponsored one that charged people 420 pesos to get in. YIKES! The centuries-old tradition of people from all over the State of Oaxaca gathering every July to share their folkloric music and dance had morphed into a for-tourist event staged in a HUGE ampitheater. That is what was cancelled. The "people" held their free Guelaguetza in many places as Ron Mader indicates on his site. Also, I "heard" that more than 20,000 locals attended a free, people's Guelaguetza at the Instituto Technological, with no incidents. This in a city that media reports indicate is "dangerous and chaotic." Who to believe?


luccevt

Jul 29, 2006, 2:23 PM

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I have been in Oaxaca for about a week and will be here 3 more weeks. I agree with the previous post... I was here last year when people were upset by the renovations/tree cutting in the Zocalo and not allowing vendors. Although it is chaotic, the Zocalo is full of vendors and people... lots of people walking around- quite festive... Certainly it is a little disconcerting at first to see the metal blockades across the streets...everyone just walks around them...no big deal...the people, as in my previous experiences here, are friendly and welcoming. The day before I left to come down here the press made it sound like a very danerous place "the protestors have taken over the city"... in my experience, it is just not true. Since I have been here, the protests are peaceful... yes, there's lots of signs and grafitti on the walls...yes, there are serious issues to deal with in Oaxaca...but I feel safe and I certainly do not feel threatened...


geri

Jul 29, 2006, 4:55 PM

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Thanks for re-affirming this. It's what I've heard from many sources. I think it's just a matter of adjusting your attitude for the disruptive situation that's going on right now. It can be frustrating and fearful, or festive and fun...up to you, your choice. So you didn't get to see the spiffed up/renovated zocalo?


Brian

Aug 4, 2006, 6:57 AM

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Who to believe???

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This article could be simply alarmist but it sure seems likes things are escalating to the level of violence vis a vis the government employee who did not willing surrender his vehicle to the protesters:

http://www.mexiconews.com.mx/19643.html


jerezano

Aug 4, 2006, 11:53 AM

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Re: [Brian] Who to believe???

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Hello,

Mexican newspapers reported this week [Week of Jul 30] that striking teachers in Oaxaca have threatened to start burning buses. It was in Sol de Zacatecas, and one paper out of Mexico City, but I can't remember which.

Adiós. jerezano.
 
 
 
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