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moondust

May 24, 2003, 9:24 PM

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was wondering if I can trust what the internet says about Puerto Penasco being an up and coming tourist/retirement town? hmmm, could be a lotta hype. does anyone have comments about the area? I suppose I just have to mosey on down there and look for myself. I plan on getting a small B&B going somewhere in Mexico. bookstore or coffeeshop? hmmm, too young to sit around doing nothing, and too old to hustle to pay property taxes, I'm having myself a great transition!
the only good thing about Puerto Penasco would be its proximity to san diego, my daughter wants to visit me often. however, leastwise on the internet more properties in my price range are located in Chapala area, some so good looking my jaw drops that I can actually have so fine a home....and still contribute something to Mexico as my new home. anyone who knows san diego home prices will be aware what I'm talking about.
for one who's done this ex-patriate adventure, can you tell me do I need a peso bank account before or after I get there? seems things might flow more smoothly if I did that.
the other place I was thinking about was Baja, but I hear conflicting reports about the people gathered there, and in Cabo they seem way over-priced compared to Chapala. back to the old drawing board! cheers, the best is yet to come I'm sure! alysia



esperanza

May 25, 2003, 6:06 AM

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Peñasco used to be a lovely, quiet town (back in the days when I was occasionally there). Even today the Gulf is glorious, the sun shines unremittingly, the beaches lead you into calm, shallow water warm as toast. It would be easy to see how Peñasco could be touted as an up and coming tourist/retirement venue.

There are a couple of things in Peñasco that I've experienced that are on the 'con' side of the ledger for me, but may not be for you. It's often hellishly hot, with that Arizona/Sonora temperature extreme that can go as high as 115 degrees farenheit. And during University of Arizona/Tucson holidays, the place is completely packed with thousands of carousing sophomores (well, and the rest of the classes, too) who treat the town and its residents with considerably less than respect. President's Day weekend, Memorial Day weekend, spring break, Christmas break, etc. can be an unpleasant experience for those of us who are of a quieter bent. Best to investigate thoroughly before you part with your money.

I used to drive fairly often from San Diego to Peñasco. It takes about 8 hours if you make the trip on the US side as far as possible; it takes longer than that on the Mexican side, due in large part to traversing La Rumorosa.




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moondust

May 25, 2003, 10:11 AM

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thanks, Esperanza, gee, I think you just changed my mind about Penesco, and maybe saved me from going broke where I won't be happy. I think it was "those with a quiet bent" in contrast with surging, unrestrained youngsters which gave me quite a picture. I am looking for quiet. I want to write a book. alot of noise would be distracting. yet I want to walk to town and be with community also as a choice. to build community. to have two cultures to live with and enjoy. I am terrified! hee hee. I'll deal with it! I wonder if anyone knows something about san felipe? I've heard there are a lot of retired folk there, but also heard it was a party town also. could be both? I am 56. I like young people, especially children, but disrespectful young people does not sound good to me. thanks in advance if anyone can talk about mazatlan, san felipe, cabo, la paz and of course chapala, where all the gringos gather. the threat of the lake problems bothers me a bit, but of course it may not be drying up as fast as they say. cheers, alysia


Frank Burton

May 27, 2003, 12:28 AM

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Hi, Alysia,

My wife and I seriously considered Ensenada and to a lesser extent San Felipe, along with several other places in Mexico. We ruled out San Felipe because of the stark setting, the summer heat, and its reputation for being a party town for the party-hardy young people from the States. Ensenada has a climate much more like San Diego's, which was attractive to us. But, again, on a couple of visits there which included a weekend, there were too many noisy, drunken young people from the States. I've lived near, and visited, US/Mexico border towns for a few decades, and the gringos who use the border areas of Mexico as places to do things they wouldn't try or get away with in the US, ruin those areas for me. We ruled out the mainland coastal areas because we don't want their combination of heat, humidity, and warm nights.

I've vacationed in many parts of Mexico. When we began to seriously explore Mexico as a place to live, we visited San Felipe, Morelia, Patzcuaro, and San Miguel de Allende; and Ensenada and the Lake Chapala area twice each. We chose the Lake Chapala area, and have been living in Riberas del Pilar, about halfway between the villages of Chapala and Ajijic, since October. Mexico is not for everyone, and the Lake Chapala area certainly isn't, but we like it here very much. The spring-all-year-around climate was/is a big draw, and the large community of ex-pats, many of whom we did and do experience as very open and willing to share their experience with newbies. While we're studying Spanish and will continue to do so, we know ex-pats who have gotten by for years here without learning more than 'hola', 'buenos dias', 'buenas tardes', 'buenas noches', and 'adios'. One can live one's life here either very much engaged with the Mexican people, very much engaged with the gringos, both, or neither.

I believe you said in another of your posts that you hope for quiet. A note of caution about noise in Mexico: the noise level in general is higher than most of the places I've lived in the States. And particularly in the villages such as Chapala and Ajijic, there are many sources of frequent, loud noise: vending trucks and political trucks with loudspeakers travel the streets during the day, blaring out their messages; the fireworks which accompany the frequent fiestas--I counted 50 loud booms within about 3 minutes one day at the Ajijic plaza, and they are not uncommon at night; and dogs barking at night, even here in the country. We did not notice the barking until the weather warmed up enough that we wanted the windows open to the wonderful, cool night air. In cautioning you about the noise, I don't want to alarm you, rather just to present some of the realities of living in Mexico. I must balance the caution I've just voiced with my love of the general peace and quiet where we live: Although the night barking sometimes leads us to close the bedroom windows during sleep time, the dominant sounds during the day are the birds and during the evening, the crickets. The last few weeks, the "rainbirds" (noisy insects which apparently show up each year a few weeks before the rainy season starts) have been singing some during the day and constantly for awhile before and after sunset every day.

We don't know how the lake situation will develop over time. There's more hope for solutions now; there is a new set of officers of Amigos del Lago and they are working hard, cooperating with the Living Lakes organization and with the foundation organized by a prominent Guadalajaran who also has a large home here in Riberas, Manuel Villagomez. Significant cooperation among the different groups is relatively new. What has to happen to solve the lake issue is development of the political will to solve the problems, which have been created by people, people who are reluctant to keep the agreements which have been made, and to modulate their use and contamination of the water which feeds the lake. See the amigosdelago.org website for their current action plan. In the meantime, even though the water level is low relative to its capacity, the lake still has a significant moderating influence on the climate.

Besides the wonderful resource which you've already found in Mexconnect, here are a couple more sources of good information in case you haven't discovered them: The book Choose Mexico by John Howels, especially the recent editions; it discusses many facets of living in Mexico and many of the pluses and minuses of different areas where significant numbers of gringos live. And Mexico-Insights.com, which has been publishing on-line for about 16 months, and which contains an incredible array of information about living in Mexico in general, and in the Lake Chapala area in particular.

Pick an area or two, come and visit. If your visit includes the Lake Chapala area, my wife and I would be very happy to share more of the plusses and minuses we've learned, face to face.


(This post was edited by Frank Burton on May 27, 2003, 12:51 AM)


anna

May 27, 2003, 8:59 AM

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hi

I lived in Mazatlan for a couple years, my husband's family is from there, It has quite a good infrastructure. You can choose to live in either the tourist area, gated communities, or in old Mazatlan, each area offers different aspects, all have expat communities. I do agree that it will be difficult to find quiet but you never know there may be some areas that are quieter than others. We have decided on a small town in Nayarit about 3/4 hr from PV. We have two small children and this small developing tourist town has alot to offer us with regard to opportunity for community involvement in the development of our pueblito. There are a fair amount of expats in the area as well as Mexicans. Also the relative proximity to both Tepic and Puerta Vallarta is also very handy. It does get quite full of vacationing mexican families during Semana Santa (Easter week). But there are many times during the year when you can be the only one on the beach for a few hours! It really depends on what you envision. I recommend making a "short list" and then planning a trip to Mexico to visit your "potentials" and then narrow it down from there. Good Luck!

Anna


moondust

May 27, 2003, 12:50 PM

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thanks so much for your helpfulness Frank. I can't begin to tell you how far it goes to help me in my indecisiveness..and knowing there are people who will take the time to respond to others out here in cyberland, that the questions and concerns about the road I'm traveling down, has been traveled by others before me, it all helps immensely to inspire me to better preparation. ok, I get it, there's really no such place as paradise on earth, thats cool. you get your loud booms (hee hee) 50 in one minute, you say? oh oh. fiestas don't bother me, but why are the dogs barking so much? homeless dogs? one thing about the natives that I intrinsically believe is their generosity of spirit and hospitality in general, yet there always must be exceptions to the rule. this book written 1986 about the population of mexico, has said they do not think about such things as animal rights? would anyone be able to clarify this for me? about what they think in general in regards to pets? so you have singing insects? this is most intrigueing to me, a noise I could easily fall in love with. Pueda deciro que la musica vista en Chapala? (working on spanish, comprendo senor? por favor, correctivo!! thank you for your invitation to a stranger should I arrive there. I do not wish to impose myself, but its good to know at least one person when striking out this way on your own, is it not? buenos dias amigo, con muy los esperanzos, alysia


Ed and Fran

May 27, 2003, 8:16 PM

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I could probably write a book regarding your questions on dogs in Mexico, but due to lack of time I'll just shoot out a couple of quick answers. Note that these are based on my neighborhood, my in-laws/family, and are just my opinion.

"Why do the dogs bark so much?" - I believe most Mexicans keep dogs as watchdogs, not house pets. They are generally kept outside, and their job is to bark to protect the house. They bark if another dog walks by, they bark if someone unknown walks by, they bark if a dog two streets over barks. That's their job. That's what their owners expect of them. It's perfectly normal for most Mexicans. Those of us from north of the Rio Bravo are used to dogs being kept inside, or at least not being overly noisy.

"Animal rights" - again, jmho, but I don't think the average Mexican spends much time thinking about the concept. This is not to say that they approve of mistreatment of animals, (they may be a bit apathetic about it) but most are more concerned with eking out a life for themselves than in spending time worrying about animals.

"What do they think in general in regard to pets?" - Let me give you an example. Seven years ago, when I first showed up, my in-laws didn't consider the guard dogs that hung around the house as 'pets'. They certainly never came in the house. They got minimal table scrap food when it was available, water, and a place to sleep at night where no one would chase them off. Period. Over these intervening years the situation has changed to where all the dogs are on dog food, the new pups all get shots, the second female just got spayed (first in the history of the family dogs) and the alpha female is scheduled to be spayed in a few months, and the alpha female is allowed to go in either house as long as she is with me. Biggest evidence of change, some months ago my mother-in-law accepted a small dog (looks like a toy poodle cross) from some neighbors. This dog lives in the house almost full time, including sleeping in at night. And to top it off, my m-i-l recently knitted it a sweater when the weather turned cool last spring!!

(Disclaimer - just based on my personal experience and observations, and in no way meant to be construed as an accurate read as to what 'most' Mexicans think about pets/dogs.)

Regards

Ed and Fran


moondust

May 27, 2003, 10:22 PM

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for your response. guess my 1986 book about mexico and its customs is not too far off base. I understand about guard dogs and I guess it gives the dogs a purpose. that of guarding. just another fact of life, that there is a need for that. I suppose my 20 lb fat schnauzer mix wouldn't be guarding much except the bisquet under the bed. cheers, alysia


teresa

May 28, 2003, 1:25 PM

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Alysia,
You mentioned in your post that you're thinking of opening a coffee shop or B & B in one of the areas of Mexico you're considering. If you decide on Chapala, take a deep breath. The area is saturated, really saturated with hotels, small hotels and B & Bs. It's also saturated with restaurants, coffee shops and cybercafes. We have a bookstore in Chapala and Ajijic, with titles in English and Spanish, too. And some shopkeepers sell books in English, as well. How do I know? I wrote the guide to the area, Mexico's Lake Chapala and Ajijic: The Insiders Guide to the Northshore for International Travelers and spend quite a bit of time updating information on the restaurants and hotels. We'd love to have an energetic new person in our community but just know that the competition in those areas of business is very tough. Perhaps the folks on the forum can suggest some services they'd like to see here that aren't available at the moment. Whatever the business you choose, it has to ride out a low season during the months of May-September, especially if it will depend on tourists.
Teresa Kendrick


pat

May 28, 2003, 3:58 PM

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"I wrote the guide to the area, Mexico's Lake Chapala and Ajijic: The Insiders Guide to the Northshore for International Travelers." Teresa Kendrick



Teresa, Great book. I bought it and have read it from cover to cover. The map is becoming frayed around the edges, I have referred to it so often.

Pat


teresa

May 28, 2003, 4:48 PM

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Pat,
Thank you for your post. I'm glad you found the book useful.
Teresa Kendrick


moondust

May 28, 2003, 5:53 PM

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thanks, I knew none of my thoughts were original, ha ha! somebody has already thought of that. time to put my thinking cap on! cheers, alysia


teresa

May 29, 2003, 3:04 PM

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Alysia,
Put the question to the forum and see what happens! I think anyone who was a good graphic designer, layout person, or web designer could find work, epecially if their experience was fairly extensive. Other people have done well preparing other people's Canadian and American income taxes, but again they did that in their other life. If I were a betting person I'd put my money on a great hairstylist who could give an excellent cut. They could clean up around the Lakeside! Good luck discovering the niche you're going to occupy!
Teresa
 
 
 
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