Perhaps it's time for some of the gringo's to make like Texans and arm themselves. If a few of these crooks get their asses shot off then maybe they will reconsider their targets........
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(This post was edited by DavidMcL on Jan 8, 2011, 12:26 PM)
wondering where you got you info for the "easy process " of obtaining a permit to purchase a firearm and the separate permit that would be required to transport the firearm back from Mexico City (where the only gun store in the whole republic is located on a military base)
Why is the answer always to grab a gun? I can just see a bunch of Gringos with no gun experience having various accidents and mysterious noises and shadows being shot at! Regards, Neil Albuquerque, NM
who ever told you it was an easy process? we don't need anyone that obviously doesn't know, posting such nonsense on a public forum. i WAS a hunter in canada and researched this. the result was that i sold my guns because the process was not worth the effort nor the money. i've met some of you that think it's exciting to have a gun around the house and quite frankly, i can't stop laughing at ya everytime ya mention it.
wondering where you got you info for the "easy process " of obtaining a permit to purchase a firearm and the separate permit that would be required to transport the firearm back from Mexico City (where the only gun store in the whole republic is located on a military base)
Talk to any legal gun owner. A friend of mine is a member of the Guadalajara Gun Club and I learned from him.
DavidHF - You are correct. MY Mexican Physical Therapist told me you can buy a gun in GDL for protection of life and property, then you need to have it checked by the Police to make sure it was not used illegaly.
then give us step by step how easy it is. what you have said is totally meaningless as you have not presented us with any facts. i did not give up my hunting lightly and neither did my dog. if the process was easy, i would not have sold my $2500 shotgun for $400. you sir,are spouting nonsense.
"It looks like we have a different opinion of the definition of an "easy process""
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One is talking about a small caliber hand gun (kept in the home) the other is talking about a shot-gun to take bird hunting in public places. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
MY Mexican Physical Therapist told me you can buy a gun in GDL for protection of life
John your PT knows all the ins and outs of a foreigner legally buying, owning and operating a firearm in Mexico ?
First of all let me say that yes it is possible that one can legally own a fire arm in Mexico. I personally disagree with the statement that it is an “easy process.”
To legally own a firearm in Mexico there are different tramites for different types of gun and purposes, personal protection vs hunting for example. Often times one requires more than one license. (Own a gun, transport a gun, different types of hunting licenses for different types of game etc)
Some of the requirements include:
· A physical exam to prove that one does not have any physical impediments that would prevent the safe operation of a firearm.
· A psychological evaluation to prove a healthy mental state of mind.
· A drug test (self explanatory).
· A letter from an employer demonstrating that one earns an honest living.
· A letter clearly explaining the need to own a fire arm, as well as ones profession, address and type calibre, brand and other information concerning the firearm.
· A police certificate stating one has not had past offences.
· Military service record Cartilla for Mexicans or FM 2 for foreigners.
There are very few government tramites that I would consider an “easy process” in Mexico but that’s just me.
I accompanied my friend from the gun club to register a .38 Spl. he'd acquired from a private party and none of the above were required except for an FM2/3 or the new credencial. There were at least 15 other people there that day registering pistols, rifles, and shotguns. The caliber/gauge that you may own is restricted. The whole process including waiting in line took about 30 minutes.
1. Get registration form from the Army base north of Guadalajara 2. Complete form including name, address, curp, visa and passport numbers, and make, model and S/N of weapon. 3. Pay $35 pesos at Banercito on Army base 4. Present form and weapon to Army officer at base along with copies of passport, visa, curp, and reciept from Banercito. 5. Sign and thumbprint form, 3 times. 6. Receive document of legal ownership and 24hr tranportation permit. 7. Weapon may not be transported away from home. 8. Weapon is legal for use by anyone in the home.
They don't care how you got the weapon. No questions are asked. The above process is for home protection only.
(This post was edited by DavidHF on Jan 8, 2011, 9:05 AM)
Here is an article in the Washington Post about gun sales in México.
The article begins:
MEXICO CITY - In all of Mexico, there is only one gun store. The shop, known officially as the Directorate of Arms and Munitions Sales, is operated by the Mexican military. The clerks wear pressed green camouflage. They are soldiers. The only gun store in Mexico is not very busy.
Interesting (but not out of the ordinary) that your experience is very different from the process outlined on the SEDNA web site and articles 26 and 27 of LEY FEDERAL DE ARMAS DE FUEGO Y EXPLOSIVOS as well as the guide from Mexico Armado. As we all know here in Mexico YMMV.
Perhaps some of the requirements are only enforced when purchasing a firearm from an “official” source and not “legalising” or registering a firearm. I am not familiar with firearm purchases from private parties.
Personally I would be very cautious that the firearm is not “quemada” (been used in the past to commit a crime) as it may present problems in the future.
Also very astonishing that they do not care where you got your gun from with all the complaining that Mexico does about illegal weapons from the US.
Thanks for sharing your experience!
PS Incredible that they don’t require a permit to TAKE the gun to get it registered but they give you a 24hr transport permit to take the gun back home LOL….
Too bad that Pedro would give up hunting when there is so much of it in northern Mexico and the eastern border edges. Dove and duck and deer etc... camps abound so what do those hunters do are they using the camps guns?
I would wonder if there were a run on guns for this northshore area whether it would ring alarms in the government? Maybe we'll see because I know of 3 men who are seriously considering it. Not this household.
Interesting (but not out of the ordinary) that your experience is very different from the process outlined on the SEDNA web site and articles 26 and 27 of LEY FEDERAL DE ARMAS DE FUEGO Y EXPLOSIVOS as well as the guide from Mexico Armado. As we all know here in Mexico YMMV.
Perhaps some of the requirements are only enforced when purchasing a firearm from an “official” source and not “legalising” or registering a firearm. I am not familiar with firearm purchases from private parties.
Personally I would be very cautious that the firearm is not “quemada” (been used in the past to commit a crime) as it may present problems in the future.
Also very astonishing that they do not care where you got your gun from with all the complaining that Mexico does about illegal weapons from the US.
Thanks for sharing your experience!
PS Incredible that they don’t require a permit to TAKE the gun to get it registered but they give you a 24hr transport permit to take the gun back home LOL….
i was at a local paint gun shop and a mexican business man walked in and ask to see the winchester shot gun catalogue... he look over it for 10 minutes and then told the sales clerk what model he wanted...... i listen to the conversation and the store clerk does all the paperwork for the mexican national. it would take a couple of weeks for everything to be finished. i do belive he already owned some hunting weapons so the process was routine.
68% of robberies are done with a gun..... i have never owned a gun or shot a gun .... but since anyone can become a victim down here, i would prefer my fellow expats to have a permit/weapon in their home just in case one night someone decides they are going to take advantage of the senior living in their area.
any husband would feel better if there was an intruder coming into his home and he was able to pick up his shot gun and defend himself or protect himself and his wife!!!!!
the murder that happened this week was done in the day time....... we cant change what happened to that family but we can be constructive and help eachother avoid becoming victims..
i wouls also suggest that video camaras visible from the street would deter one type of criminal...... i have always thought that people are waiting for an opportunity to commit a crime.... so one has to do a check list of how their residence is set up to avoid becoming a victim of a crime.
i also believe the reason the man was murdered is because he might have known his attacker???
The logic of having a loaded pistol or a shotgun in one's home for protection escapes me! There are certain realities that come with such a decision: 1) Unless one is fully committed to having the weapon with them at all time within the confines of their home, there is a far greater chance that the weapon will not be located where needed in an emergency. The only exception to this generalization might be during the night time hours when one is in bed and in most circumstances it would be easy to locate such within reach. While we do not know the full details on this particular event, a daytime invasion would probably have the victim away from their weapon. 2) Shooting a person is not like one sees John Wayne do in the movies. Most people do not have adequate training for such an event. No different than the hunter with "buck fever", the effects of adrenaline rushing through one's system can cause poor judgment and inaccurate firing of the weapon. One can take all the target practice they want but shooting at a live subject is totally different. 3) Then you have the possible effects of people being on medication or having indulged in a few "adult beverages" when an incident occurs. Neither of these encourage a positive outcome. Mysterious or unknown sounds or shadows become magnified and bullets tend to fly without adequate reason. 4) When people decide to arm themselves as a precaution, it is usually brought on by some local incident. The justification is a reaction and often not a well thought out decision based on a real need as opposed to a perceived need. Facts tend to indicate that these type decisions do not encourage a well thought out plan and commitment to fully understand the complexities and responsibilities of such a decision. 5) Assuming that the gun owner/homeowner isn't able to get to their weapon, then it is just one more opportunity for the bad boys to get their hands on a weapon for future endeavors because they will probably find such when looking for valuables. 6) We hear all the time about keeping long guns in a locked gun case and handguns in a lock box. Do either of these safety measures accelerate the ease by which a gun owner can get to a weapon in a time of need? 7) And the list could go on.
To my way of thinking, the advantage that most of us would have over most intruders boils down to that object sitting on one's shoulders and its contents. Using one's well developed brain can generally provide an advantage along with some fairly easy self defense tactics. In this instance, we do not know if the intruder or intruders were armed but often a well placed kick can do a great deal to slow down someone. If one is successful with an initial kick, then repeated kicks to the same area are even more debilitating. And there are many more such easily learned tactics that may work in the time of need. Secondly, there is way too much technology available not to consider a technology based system. Be it cameras or sensors linked to a panic system, they all can work in your favor. Panic buttons located in each room that activate a loud alarm or siren can do a great job of scaring off any intruder and it has been proven that periodic "live testing" gets people in the area aware of such. Even someone casing a joint would stop and think if they knew of such equipment being in place.
That is my rant on weapons in the home! Regards, Neil Albuquerque, NM
Using one's well developed brain can generally provide an advantage along with some fairly easy self defense tactics. In this instance, we do not know if the intruder or intruders were armed but often a well placed kick can do a great deal to slow down someone. If one is successful with an initial kick, then repeated kicks to the same area are even more debilitating.
And if one is not successful, one is likely going to get shot.
You dissuade people from owning a gun based on all kinds of irrational fears and unlikely scenarios then advise senior citizens facing intruders who are likely armed and much younger and fitter to just kick them? Just as shooting someone is not always as simple as the John Wayne movies, kicking someone is not always as simple as the Bruce Lee movies. I'm reminded of a Chuck Norris film where he has been whooping butt against an army of Chinese mafia and he's running to the apartment of a girlfriend in distress when a bad guy jumps out in front of him in an alley and shows off a series of impressive moves, Norris says something like "I'd love to play but I just don't have the time", pulls out a gun and puts a bullet in his forehead then runs on.
By Georgie, I think we've figured out what to do if we're ever caught in a narcobloque. We'll just use our noggin to outsmart 'em, and if that don't work we'll just kick 'em in the nuts and keep kicking until the cartels surrender.
"The logic of having a loaded pistol or a shotgun in one's home for protection escapes me!"
The above first sentence from my post clearly defines the parameters under which I was commenting. In the particular incident that generated this conversation, nothing has come out (to my knowledge) that the intruder or intruders were armed and the victim appears to have been strangled or died from the stress of the situation. Why does it not surprise me that you choose to distort to fit your agenda? Narcobloques or narcos were not part of the equation since, I was referring strictly to a simple home invasion. Furthermore, why is the assumption being made that all intruders are armed with a gun?
My personal thoughts were made without an agenda defined by or related to the gun control issue. Unlike certain other parties who have been trained to march in lockstep by special interest groups, I don't follow the crowd and will always use my brain to define my thoughts. Is my philosophy right for everyone? Hell no! Did I make any point that disparaged anyone who does have a weapon for protection? No! For each & every person, this is a personal decision that should be made through independent thinking and not defined by others! Regards, Neil Albuquerque, NM
I gotta say that the day we gringos pick up arms down here in sunny Mexico is the day I am outta here. One gringo murder - and not with a gun - and we are all going to buy guns? Seems to me that scenario is why some of us came down here in the first place--- to get away from the mentality that has created Arizona and endless other bloodbaths where it is usually the good guys that end up dead.
For anyone that really chooses to go this route, I sure hope you don't expect the rest of us to help when you get thrown into a Mexican jail - permit or no permit, home invasion or not.
If I am not mistaken, Arizona is a right to carry state. Didn't seem to deter yesterday's tragedy. If someone has the drop on you, you're dead. Even if you are carrying the most lethal weapon the law allows.
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