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dleach

Mar 30, 2003, 8:20 AM

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I've been thinking about putting some money into either a Lloyds or BanaMex account (other suggestions appreciated) there in Ajijic or Chapala. What would be the best way to have the money delivered to the account in order to get the best exchange rate....wire transfer...cash...cashier's check? I assume traveler's checks is not the way to go.

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johanson


Mar 30, 2003, 8:32 AM

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I don't know if this is the best way. I am a creature of comfort. I opened an account at Lloyd's and just wire or in my case transfer money into their Bank of America account in San Diego . I'm told with a little effort I might get a little better rate of exchange, but I'm too lazy to worry about it.


tonyburton


Mar 30, 2003, 8:42 AM

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Assuming this money is not already in Mexico, then you should consider the following:

1. Banamex exchange rate is usually fractionally better than Lloyd. For large transfers, you may be able to get slightly higher rates on request, whether you choose Banamex, Lloyd, or an exchange house (Casa de cambio)

2. Exchange House rates are often fractionally better than Banamex. (Note that some exchange houses prefer American Express Traveler's Checks over any others)

3. Sometimes, "documents" (including traveler's checks) receive a marginally better exchange rate than cash.

3. Total costs of "transmission" (commission paid for document plus any phone charges and bank charges etc) are generally much higher for wire transfers and for cashier's checks than for either cash or traveler's checks. On the other hand, wire transfers are essentially instantaneous!

4. If you choose the combination of Banamex and traveler's checks, you would be wise to check with the Banamex branch (in Chapala) beforehand, since they have a policy of exchanging only small amounts (200 dollars or less) for non-account holders. Their rules may be different for those opening an account with them.

What makes most sense in any particular case depends on your priorities in terms of cost, speed, desire for personal service, security (a concern if you are traveling with large amounts of cash) etc. etc.


Rolly


Mar 30, 2003, 9:57 AM

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Many people retiring to Mexico have found that ATMs meet their needs for access to their money. Others, including me, have found benefits in having a bank account in Mexico. I chose Banamex because they make it possible to move money from the US via the internet free of transfer fees.

Banamex has a wholly owned subsidiary bank in the USA – California Commerce Bank. I can transfer funds from CCB to Banamex via telephone or on the internet and have the funds available in about one hour during banking hours. There is no service change with CCB, and they pay a small interest (1.4% currently). I can use my CCB ATM card at Banamex without a fee. Banamex will also cash checks drawn on my CCB account.

You can also arrange for free ATM service with many other US banks, and usually you can use those accounts to pay bills on-line which you cannot do with CCB.

The real advantage to the CCB/Banamex arrangement is the ability to pay by check in Mexico. For most retirees here, that is probably not important because there are so few consumer stores that accept checks -- Mexico is still largely a cash society. Oh the other hand, if you have a real need to pay by check, the CCB/Banamex is the best deal I was able to find. (I have such a need for my building project.) I have been very pleased with the CCB/Banamex arrangement. I also maintain an account with Bank of America to pay for on-line purchases and to use when I am in the States. It is also nice to have another ATM card for backup just in case.

You can find information about the CCB/Banamex deal from any Banamex branch. Or you can call CCB directly. The number is 1-800-222-1234 (calling from the USA).

The number from Mexico is 01-800-111-1234. An automated voice system will answer. When asked for your language, answer "English" then press 2. That will connect you with an agent at the bank in Los Angeles without a toll charge. Be sure to call during banking hours Pacific time.

You can open the account by mail and phone. You do not have to be present at the bank which is in Los Angeles.

There is one interesting restriction on the CCB account. It is intended for retired people living, so you must be 55 years of older. As one guy said: “I never expected to carded by my bank.”

Rolly Pirate

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Rolly


Mar 30, 2003, 10:24 AM

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The subject line of your post says savings account while the replies have spoken about checking accounts. I don't think it is a wise move to put money into a savings account in Mexico. The peso does not have a very good track record, and you might very likely end up loosing money in a Mexican savings account vs a US savings account. Even with my checking account, I don't keep much more than a month's need. I consult my ouija board to determine on which day the exchange rate will be best for transferring funds from CCB.

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Uncle Donnie

Mar 30, 2003, 10:13 PM

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I agree with Rolly. Don't keep a lot in your Mexican account. Also, be aware that Lloyd is NOT a bank. Money placed in an account with them can't be accessed as easily as in a bank. Here in the Ajijic branch we used to have more leeway but a few months back they started enforcing the rules. Things may have changed by now.

I keep enough in Lloyd to fulfill the FM-3 requirement and this year I'm going to let them fill out my renewal application (a free service to depositors).

And Banamex branches down here provide a free direct line to the California branch of CCB so you can take care of business with them without incurring extra costs or dealing with time warps.

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PeggyS

Mar 31, 2003, 12:50 AM

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Uncle Donnie is so right. Lloyd is not a bank. But we do prefer the 7+% that we get on our money there to the 37 cents my husband earns on his Canadian account ro the 87 cents mine earns in south Florida. A word of warning - we will never get travelers checks again - even the American Express checks were refused wherever we tried to cash them. Too many forgeries, no bank would accept them ,finally got rid of them at a cambio. Never again.


Uncle Donnie

Mar 31, 2003, 11:05 AM

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Hi Peggy,

You're SO right. The interest paid by Lloyd is about the best around. Many of the stories about living on the interest of deposits down here are outdated due to the strengthening Mexican economy but that's not as lucrative as before.

I also trust Lloyd's practices more than some other institutions down here.

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Rolly


Mar 31, 2003, 1:09 PM

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I don't know anything about Lloyd. Is your Lloyd account a dollar or a peso account? Is it Mexico or US licensed?

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Uncle Donnie

Mar 31, 2003, 1:25 PM

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Hi Rolly,

Lloyd is a Mexican corporation founded years ago by a gringo. Any explanation I'd give would only confuse all of us so I'm suggesting you go to www.lloyd.com.mx for an official description of their financial and insurance services.

You probably don't know about them because they have few locations down here. I think they're only in 5 or 6 towns where the retiree population is great.

Best, Don

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Rolly


Mar 31, 2003, 3:03 PM

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Thank you, Don. I looked at the page and confirmed what I thought -- it's a peso business.

It seems to me that the 7% interest Peggy reports actually represents a loss vs a deposit in a US or Canadian account because of the declining value of the peso. She bemoans the paltry return her husband gets on his Canadian account. Unless I am missing something, he is doing better with his money than Peggy is.

If I am seeing this wrong, please enlighten me.

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Uncle Donnie

Mar 31, 2003, 4:20 PM

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Oh my gosh, Rolly! you're actually assuming that I know something about money and that I have enough to be attentive about. I just park it and forget it.

Peggy?

To paraphrase George Strait " All my exes wear Rolexes". I have a Timex I found in the bathroom of a McDonald's in Waco.

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tonyburton


Mar 31, 2003, 6:23 PM

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It all a question of the term over which your deposit (investment) is collecting interest...

As a generalization, anyone who has kept funds in pesos in Lloyd (in the past) has, sooner or later, come out well ahead of what they could have made by parking the same funds in dollars in the U.S. (or indeed in Canada). Sooner or later may mean up to three or four years if the investment was made immediately prior to a devaluation.

Of course, past trends are not necessarily any indication of future losses/gains, and this message should not be construed as investment advice!


Howard Botz

Apr 1, 2003, 8:22 AM

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Being totally dense about these things....

Since the peso to dollar is something around 11 to 1 right now would this be a good time to take dollars and invest in a peso account (like Lloyd or Multivalores)?

Howard in Seattle


johanson


Apr 1, 2003, 12:31 PM

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If you were from Ballard, you would not be asking these questions. All kidding aside. If anyone tells you it is or it isn't time to change your money I would be suspicious. There are as many opinions as there are folks down here.

Just to make you jealous. We are having a cold wave down here. It's 2:30 PM here and it is only 74 degrees and partly cloudy. I've got KING5 TV on in the background and I just heard Rich Marriot say that the temp there is 48 F (12:30 PM your time) and to expect thunder showers


Howard Botz

Apr 1, 2003, 1:02 PM

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Ballard......I just came back from shopping at the Fred Meyer and having my car washed in Ballard. I live on the northeast side of Queen Anne so I am very close to Ballard. I cannot imagine 74 degrees being a cold wave. We had a balmy Sat & Sun (near 70 degrees) but it is quite cold again now. Someone even mentioned a few snow flakes. I need warm dry weather so I can get out in the yard. My house goes on the market in May (so I can move to Ajijic) and I need nice weather to clean the fishpond and make the gardens look good.

Howard (with only 8 more days to work before retirement)
 
 
 
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