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Bubba

Sep 10, 2003, 10:43 PM

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When I mentioned the headline in MURAL today regarding the acceptance of Lake Chapala as a lake qualifying as a candidate for recuperative efforts by Living Lakes, I received an interesting private inquiry from another poster. Why did this seemingly important news item receive so little attention when it became known to MURAL yesterday? Why wasn't this information spread in the Ajijic anglo community by tom-tom immediately?

I don't have an answer. Could it be that some in the anglo community do not read the local press? That notion boggles the mind doesn't it? I am unwilling to accept that notion.

So, I must presume that many of you consider Living Lakes to be an unworthy effort.


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jennifer rose

Sep 10, 2003, 10:54 PM

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Without getting into the issue of the level of Lake Chapala, it would be interesting to discuss what sources Lake Chapala's residents use for their news? Only English-language publications and English-language television? What Mexican sources do they rely upon?


johanson


Sep 10, 2003, 11:12 PM

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Sadly I watch too little local TV when in Ajijic, rather I continue to watch my Seattle and Vancouver stations via Star Choice a Canadian small satellite dish system.

As my Spanish continues to improve, I try to watch more news on the local Guadalajara channel 4, but I don't watch enough.

The same goes for my newspaper reading; Mostly I read the Guadalajara Reporter. Sadly the majority of us expats who live lakeside do not speak Spanish well enough to comprehend what is being said on a newscast, or is being written in the local newspapers.

I applaud those who try to learn Spanish. The more Spanish I learn, the better I like Mexico.


Jerry@Ajijic

Sep 11, 2003, 5:56 AM

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Bubba, I have not read the article but as far as I know Lake Chapala has not been accepted yet. A group did fly to England to make our final presentition but I have not heard that Living Lakes has reached a decision. I feel sure than when the "news" is oficial the local peridicals will cover it.


Bubba

Sep 11, 2003, 7:27 AM

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You know, Jerry, despite my efforts, my Spanish remains rudimentery. When my Spanish teacher arrives here later this morning, perhaps she will correct my errors but, for now, I translate the MURAL article's opening yesterday as follows:

"Lake Chapala received formal notice in London that it was accepted into the Living Lakes organization and would have access to the organization's international resources for its recuperation.

" 'Next September 13th, we will receive certification that will accept the lake as an active member of Living Lakes and this designation gives us access to large international companies that can help in the Lake's recuperation' announced Manuel Villagomez, president of the Lerma Chapala Basin yesterday before departing for England for the Eighth conference of the organization."

The article continues on but I will add only one other thing that was of interest in the piece.

"As of yesterday, Chapala had gained 1.31 meters in its level this year and contains 2.373 million cubic meters of water which is the equivalent of 30% of its maximum capacity."

Maybe there are some nuances in the language that escape me. However, the lake's recovery this year from 20% to 30% of capacity is promising and we are still getting rain. The same edition shows a fellow fishing in the Rio Lerma which looks a little like the mighty Mississippi at the moment.

If my Spanish transation is that bad, I am going to demand a refund from my teacher. I will e-mail after noon if she says anything that will enlighten all of us.

MURAL does make a load of mistakes just as did the Wall Street Journal which last week printed an article on the lake with a number of factual errors in it.


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esperanza

Sep 11, 2003, 7:45 AM

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I read the print article at lunchtime yesterday and yes, it did indeed say that Lake Chapala has been accepted by Living Lakes and will receive its certification on Sept. 13.

I know very few...as in three or four...foreign people here in town besides myself who read a Spanish-language newspaper or who listen to news in Spanish. It appears to me that most foreign English-speaking residents wait until Friday or Saturday to read the news in the Guadalajara Colony Reporter.

I was also perplexed to note that the print edition of Mural gave the Living Lakes article front-page, above-the-fold coverage but in reading the online edition it was necessary to hunt all over to locate the article. I finally found it by searching the archives using Lago de Chapala Living Lakes.

One phrase in the article really puzzled me. It's the phrase that Bubba translated as follows: "Lake Chapala received formal notice in Londan that it was accepted into the Living Lakes organization and would have access to the organization's international resources for its recuperation." (Italics mine) The print edition stated that Lake Chapala would have access to multinational businesses which have resources for its recuperation. I'm concerned about what all this means. What it sounds like to me is that now Lake Chapala has a certificate that gives it more credence when those in charge of seeking funds for recovery of the Chapala Basin go knocking on doors. Help me understand this, please.




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Bubba

Sep 11, 2003, 9:41 AM

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My Spanish teacher confirms my and Esperanza's take on the MURAL article. There remain a number of questions, however. Will all four candidates accepted last September be provided certification? What are the implications of the inclusion of four new candidates if that occurs?

Esperanza's other question regarding what certification actually means is a good one but I doubt that anyone not intimately involved in the effort to save the lake has any notion as to what this new development will bring in the way of benefits to the lake.

I suspect that The Living Lakes organization is about to become acquainted with the surreal complexities of Mexican politics. They will be wiser for it. I wish them the best of luck.

For those of you who have an interest in local media in the area, I read MURAL daily and translate articles of interest to me as a twice weekly exercise for my in-home Spanish classes. I use MURAL because it is a serious periodical serving up local news. We also read the Friday edition of PUBLICO which has a magazine type supplement filled with useful information on what is happening in Guadalajara and, to a lesser extent, the Chapala and Puerto Vallarta areas. That magazine includes weekly restaurant and movie reviews that are useful to the reader.

As for local TV media, those who have access to Telecable in the Lake Chapala area will find that they have access to some very fine Spanish language programming including our two favorites, Canal Once (at Channel 30) and TV Espana out of Spain at Channel 46. You will learn by simply watching these and other Spanish language channels. You will also find a large selection of U.S. movies in English with Spanish subtitles.

Incidentally, the English language daily, Miami Herald has very good coverage of Mexican politics and current events. Way better than the old defunct Mexico City News in my opinion and worth the stiff 13 peso cost.

Sad to say but If you limit your reading to the Guadalajara Reporter you will make no progress in learning the local culture.


esperanza

Sep 11, 2003, 9:56 AM

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For an excellent Spanish-language introduction to and on-going learning about local culture, try reading Página (Que Sí Se Lee), which comes out of Chapala every week. The small magazine almost always includes early 20th Century photos, stories about how it used to be in Chapala and Ajijic, and stories about how it is now.

And for nitty-gritty local information, there's El Charal. It's out every Saturday.

And amen to what Bubba said about the Reporter.

And a HUGE amen to what Bubba said about the politics of Mexico.




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Kip


Sep 11, 2003, 10:33 AM

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Way to go Bubba and Esperanza. It's reassuring having the two of you interested enough to ferret out the real deal.

Thanks

Kip
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FeelinGroovy

Sep 11, 2003, 11:20 AM

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I don't suppose they have a website?
Libby



esperanza

Sep 11, 2003, 11:29 AM

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Who?




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FeelinGroovy

Sep 11, 2003, 1:08 PM

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oh, sorry - Pagina and El Charal. I saw the Mural.

thanks,
Libby



esperanza

Sep 11, 2003, 1:10 PM

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Both of these publications operate on a shoestring...I don't imagine either has a website, but I'll poke around and see what I can find out on Google.




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Bubba

Sep 12, 2003, 1:45 PM

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Those of you who do read the local media know the flip side of all of this glorious water flowing into Lake Chapala. There has been very serious flooding in Guanajuato state which as of Wednesday had damaged and/or displaced 10,000, mostly poor people, killed six, caused serious problems with flooding in eleven municipalities and closed schools. The Rio Lerma is over its banks in many places and a state of emergency has been declared in certain areas.

Ironic, no?


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pat

Sep 12, 2003, 4:24 PM

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Those of you who do read the local media know the flip side of all of this glorius water flowing into Lake Chapala. There has been very serious flooding in Guanajuato state which as of Wednesday had damaged and/or displaced 10,000, mostly poor people, killed six, caused serious problems with flooding in eleven municipalities and closed schools. The Rio Lerma is over its banks in many places and a state of emergency has been declared in certain areas.
Cripes, either the dern lake is about to dry up, or it's raining so hard that the poor folks are drowning in all the water. Life is just hell, now matter which way you look at it. Just makes you want to throw yourself on the floor and have a fit, don't it?


Kip


Sep 12, 2003, 4:54 PM

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Could the flooding have been avoided if they'd "dumped" water into the lake sooner, or was there nothing that could have been done to minimize the flooding?

Kip
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Bubba

Sep 12, 2003, 5:04 PM

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