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Kip


Sep 14, 2003, 2:05 PM

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Is there danger in only the fruits and vegetables that you buy, or do the ones you grow pose a danger as well because of water, contaminated ground or ???

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Arrow

Sep 14, 2003, 6:53 PM

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This is an interesting question about contaminated water on veggies in gardens. I would think that this is a real possibility with some microbes but I also think that the vast majority will surcumb to bacterial homoestasis within the soil as well as the effects of sunlight.

Alas, this leaves us once again with having to wash those veggies.

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Kip


Sep 14, 2003, 7:53 PM

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I have a habit of grazing as I wander around my yard. A tomato,a strawberry,(or six)..I'm hoping that I won't have to give up the practice.

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johanson


Sep 14, 2003, 8:05 PM

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I wonder what the real danger is? I know when I get strawberries in Joco that I am told by my American friends that I had better watch out for this and that and that I had better wash and soak them.

I wonder what the locals do. I wonder if we are just being overly protective.

What I am not is an expert on this subject


Arrow

Sep 14, 2003, 8:25 PM

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The thing that worries me about strawberries in Mexico is the pesticides.

I've heard that they are worse than the states but I don't know for sure. Seems to me that the vast number of local farmers probably don't use so many pesticides. Anybody know?

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Don


Sep 14, 2003, 10:01 PM

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We live about 60 miles south of Chapala/Ajijic and grow bananas, limons, limas, limes, oranges and tangerines. We have a couple of trees of each and sometimes we have to prop up the limbs due to the weight of the fruit. We have our trees sprayed for insects and just wash the fruit before use. A lot of vegetables are grown in our area for exportation, especially large tomatos. We wash the vegetables with microdyn drops in water. We find the tree ripened fruit and vegetables picked when ripe, outstanding.


Uncle Donnie

Sep 15, 2003, 11:01 AM

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Kip,

It's about like everywhere else....it all depends.

As Don says, some folks DO spray their personal gardens and orchards while others don't. The small truck farmers out by San Nicolas and on past Mezcala use a variety of powders and sprays on their crops, and I've seen many of the commercial fields in Colima State and parts of Jalisco being sprayed. I assume the same is true for the big commercial growers upriver from us.

In San Juan and La Manzanilla I just rinsed fruits that I picked (just to remove the dust) and ate them. If you're truly interested in organic produce, eggs, meat, chickens, milk, etc. most of these things will be available to you down here. It might take a bit of hunting and exploring but you'll be able to find them.

And both fresh and baled alfalfa for your horses.

UD

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Kip


Sep 15, 2003, 11:16 AM

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 Hi Donnie, good to have you back.. I wasn't really talking about the local growers, I meant fruits and veggies from my own yard. What I was wondering about was would I have to put a stop to my habit of grazing around my yard? Is there anything in the soil or water that I will use to water them that would be a problem if I just grab a big ole tomato off the vine and chomp? I seems to be pretty much a given that anything you buy you're going to have to wash.

I'm not really a health food freak, I like just about everything, although the baked pig's head that was featured in Rolly's article did make me a litlle squeamish, but then again I haven't tasted it yet!

The horses will be thrilled with the news.

Thanks Donnie

Kip
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Don


Sep 15, 2003, 12:35 PM

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"I just grab a big ole tomato off the vine and chomp? I seems to be pretty much a given that anything you buy you're going to have to wash."

Not only the vegetables you buy should be washed, but the vegetables you grow in the yard should be washed. Dust, dirt and insects aren't found only in Mexico. I don't know of anyone that was hurt by the water and soil they used to grow their small vegetable gardens.


(This post was edited by Don on Sep 15, 2003, 12:39 PM)


FeelinGroovy

Sep 15, 2003, 1:50 PM

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Do you all know about this organic farming site:

http://www.peoplesguide.com/1pages/chapts/non-profit/aca/acastudents.html
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Bubba

Sep 24, 2003, 2:55 PM

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This reminds me of another forum where the question was posed as to what viewers missed most about their home countries. Now I know for me anyway; true heirloom tomatoes.

We lived in the San Francisco Bay Area for many years before retiring down here and my wife and I, who are from France and Alabama respectively, remember both the excellent tomatoes in those areas in our youths and the incredible heirloom tomato industry that developed in Northern California over the past few years.

When we decided to retire here, we were excited about what we thought would be excellent fresh vegetables generally available (NOT!) - especially tomatoes. We were very disappointed in the tomatoes. It seems that the dreaded and tasteless Roma is the primary tomato available here and tomatoes in general are rather tasteless in Highland Jalisco.

So, in a stroke of genius, we decided to grow our own heirloom varieties in deep pots on our roof. Our neighbor, who is an excellent gardener and career Texas farmer, warned us that he had had no luck growing tomatoes here but we proceeded to plant a number of really good heirloom varieties anyway.

Well, our first year was a disaster. The tomato plants looked great and then went to hell on us with the tomatoes rotting away just before full maturity. This year we tried again with much more attention to detail. We got a lot of tomatoes but found them all to be too acidic and bland - even the (supposed to be) super sweet cherry tomatoes.

We have decided to give up and consider great tomatoes to be a thing of the past.

Does anyone out there grow really great heirlooms in Mexico?

Maybe the heat here in Ajijic at 5,000 feet is not intense enough to sweeten the tomatoes properly. In my native Alabama, wonderful tomatoes are available roadside in early summer. In Northern California where early summer is cool, the season for herlooms starts in September. Those seasons represent points in time characterized by intense heat for weeks preceding the harvest. Maybe the hot season here is simply too short. Perhaps there are diseases requiring constant fumigation.

Any ideas?

Oh, and another thing. When we lived on the Alabama coast, we noticed that the bulk of the fresh seafood brought in daily from the gulf went directly north to places like Chicago where premium prices could be charged rather that to local markets unless one went down to the bay when the shrimpboats came in and bought seafood on the spot. A Mexican friend whose brother is a farmer in the Sayula area told us that all of the really good tomatoes raised in that area were shipped off to the United States because of its insatiable market but that, this year, we could expect to see a dramatic improvement in the quality of tomatoes available locally because the U.S. was punishing Mexico for failing to support it in its Iraq war by refusing shipments. Sure enough, a few weeks later tomatoes-on-the-vine and other (slightly) superior products started showing up in Ajijic for the first time since we have been here.

See; war is not necsessarily hell for everybody.


jennifer rose

Sep 24, 2003, 5:12 PM

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Morelia's higher and colder than Ajijic, but we haven't had a problem growing tomatoes during the past 14 years. Because I don't like big tomatoes and because I want to reduce the risk of insect and bird damage to the fruit, we grow cherry tomatoes, yellow pear-shaped tomatoes and some which are the size of currants. Sweet, practically year-round. You might evaluate the kind of soil and fertilizer you're using. We use farm chemicals (cheaper that way) and chicken manure.

But I have had such poor luck with Armenian cucumbers that I've simply given up.


hummer

Sep 24, 2003, 7:42 PM

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Oh, how I empathize.

We lived for many years in Southern California and grew beautiful heirloom tomatoes, often 8 varieties in a season. When we moved to Guanajuato several years ago, I was ready with my seed packages.

It was a complete failure. The plants were wonderful, lots of flowers, some set fruit and what I was able to harvest was unrecognizable as the same vegetable I used to grow. I think it is the difference in the seasons. Here you only have the heat in May. Once the rainy season starts the nightime temps are too low to promote fruit to set and for ripening. It wasn't just the tomatoes that failed. We had problems with eggplant, yellow squash, soybeans, cucumbers and so on.

The good news is -- there are lots of things you can grow. We have all the greens you could ever hope for. Salad greens, cooking greens like chard, mustard, kale, etc. Herbs are a snap. Garlic, onions, chives, shallots are all easy. We have lots of luck with green beans.

Just keep experimenting.


julietl


Sep 26, 2003, 1:55 PM

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Oh No!

I read these posts with great interest because I am trying to do the same thing. I have heirloom seeds that I am trying to grow, they are just little seedlings now. I am growing them under a grow light inside.

My plan is to put them in pots on the roof of my building, in the metal cage where my laundry usually goes. I have concerns about the pollution here in DF and my tomatoes. Since I will only have about 10 pots, I can control just about everything except the air they are in.

Is this a lost cause? I was thinking that they could grow because there is alot of sun on the roof, but I guess it's not hot enough here? And does anyone know about growing veggies in polluted air ?

thanks -
Juliet
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jrice

Sep 26, 2003, 8:56 PM

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One of Mexico's greatest problems is the lack of market consciousness. I've seen Mason jars of popcorn on the cob for sale at $2 or so in the United States. What could you get for a bag of hand-sown blue corn certified to be from a highland Oaxaca community with a little bit of description about the town and the indigenous corn variety printed on the bag? One whole heck of a lot more than the guy gets now, I'd bet.

U.S. supermarkets have changed drastically for the better in my lifetime. Four or five tomato varieties. Few in Mexico yet take advantageof that.
 
 
 
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