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johanson


Jun 22, 2009, 1:24 PM

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Crime in Ajijic

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Crime is alive and well along the shores of Lake Chapala

The last time my property was broken into was last night, Sunday night. Around midnight a group of at least two persons bent my chain link fence to about a 45% angle in an attempt to jump over the fence. The fence post they bent over was heavy duty so I bet there might have been several more persons. Well the alarm went off and my night watchman responded, and the only loss involved was the repair of the fence and electrical wires, that is going on as I write this

On about the tenth of May the night watchman heard someone attempting to climb the fence, but scared him off using his flash light

In April, some ten minutes after I left the house Saturday morning, someone set off the alarm attempting to enter not realizing there were persons present.

Last November, before I increased the height of the fence, and electrified it, someone entered my property Sunday afternoon was shocked to discover me there, and robbed me of my cash and cell phone

What me scared? Your darned right I am.

I'm up North right now. When I get back later in the week, do I report the attempted break-ins to the ministario(spelling) público ? My gardener has a video of the damage.



gpkgto

Jun 23, 2009, 7:22 AM

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Re: [johanson] Crime in Ajijic

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Do your neighbors have the same problem? What is going on over there? Here in Irapuato we have cries, but nothing like you describe. I personally have never had a single attempt--guess I am lucky.


johanson


Jun 23, 2009, 7:41 AM

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Re: [gpkisner] Crime in Ajijic

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I'm at the end of the road in Ajijic, up in the hills with only 5 residences. The place across the street was hit, next door was hit, another neighbor has a full time watchman and my only other neighbor is a B & B and there are always enough people there to scare off the burglars.


jerezano

Jun 23, 2009, 8:47 AM

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Hello johanson,

You asked, rhetorically, I hope, >>>>I'm up North right now. When I get back later in the week, do I report the attempted break-ins to the ministario(spelling) público ? My gardener has a video of the damage. <<<<

Of course you report it. And why wait? Doesn't your gardener speak Spanish? Can't he report it? He might be a bit reluctant because "No vale la pena, Sr. Los policías no hacen nada." but ask him to report it anyway and NOW. There just might be some evidence on that video.

And ministerio is with an e : ministErio.

You must have a really attractive property or be located in a high crime district. My friends who live in Ajijic have reported only theft of auto parts from their car parked in front of Police headquarters. TWICE.

jerezano.


bournemouth

Jun 23, 2009, 9:40 AM

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Sadly Jerezano, there is a lot of fairly minor, but not always, crime in the overall area of Lake Chapala - times are hard, drugs are being used etc. etc. If you friends have suffered no more than the damage you report, they are doing well.


johanson


Jun 23, 2009, 10:53 AM

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I will be back Wed afternoon. And will go with my night watchman and his video on his cell phone a report same on Thursday.

My biggest problem is that I am about as high up as you can go in Ajijic, and two sides of the property face the woods. Maybe its time for more concertina wire. My neighbors across the street have also been hit, sadly successfully. They like most I know do not report their btreakins. I shall report what happened.


jerezano

Jun 23, 2009, 11:02 AM

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Hello johanson,

And report your neighbors break-ins as well as any others you know of in your area. Perhaps if the Police see that the area instead of just one person is suffering, they might be more active in their investigations.

jerezano


mazatman


Jun 23, 2009, 4:25 PM

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In the latest issue of the Guadalajara Reporter (June 20-26), page 19, there is an article by Jeanne Chaussee entitled: Victims speak out after crime spike in Ajijic neighborhoods.

The victims were robbed at gunpoint in their Lower Chula Vista home on June 10th. According to the article, the major reason to report crimes to the Ministerio Publico is that police funding is based on the number of reported crimes.

Rod


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FeelinGroovy

Jun 24, 2009, 8:59 PM

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Pete, also, if you would, report it here...

http://www.lakesidecrime.com/
Libby



mkdutch

Jun 24, 2009, 9:54 PM

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A long time ago, in another life, I had law enforcement liason responsibilities between my firm and the local (and other) enforcement agencies, of which there were many. The only way they were able to get a handle on crime across the multi-jurisdictional metropolitan area was by sharing intelligence. Criminals don't really care in whose territory they are operating - in fact, they used cross-boundary activities to lessen their chances of being caught. By getting together monthly, the people responsible for public safety were able to get a better area-wide view of what was going on. Sometimes even the most small detail was enough for two or three agencies to piece together common threads, or "M.O.'s" that led to the apprehension of gangs or individual thieves. That's why it is so important for reports of criminal activity to become known, not only to all of us, but to those responsible for the public safety. Perhaps North Shore intelligence meetings for the same purpose could be promoted.

Hats off to www.lakesidecrime.com and to those reporting incidents of "robos". for you are helping enhance the security of the entire Lakeside community. If this recent rash of successful robberies/burglaries can be nipped in the bud, it will send a message to the "Pros" in the area to not tread on us. It is difficult enough for the Policia to have to deal with the limitations of the Napoleonic Code-based legal system in our host country...we need to give them all the help we can. And they will respond if asked: patrols increased when our Colonos asked for the help of Chapala officials in curbing criminal activity. And Pete, you are the model of forebearance; I would have been out there laying (lying?) in wait for someone to climb my fence - for the last time they were able to climb a fence ---


Gringal

Jun 25, 2009, 10:28 AM

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There are some differences in the way communities are built. For instance, in San Miguel de Allende, most of the new housing was built "Mexican Modern" style, where bars on the doors and windows and high outer enclosures is part of the plan. In spite of this, they get robbed...but with some difficulty.

In the Lake Chapala area, we were surprised, when looking at real estate, to see how many of the houses were built "U.S.A. style", with large sliding glass doors, unbarred windows and easily removed skylights. Some with nice grassy front yards and walls about 4 feet high. Thief heaven. I often hear people saying "I won't live behind bars" etc. But.

So yes, it's a good idea to report any problems to the police, but take a look at your houses from a thief's point of view, too, and see what you can do to make entry more difficult.


Hound Dog

Jun 25, 2009, 1:55 PM

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Since we maintain residences at both Ajijic, Jalisco and San Cristóbal de Las Casas, Chiapas, the former a largely foreign community in our neighborhood and the latter a purely Mexican community in a neighborhood primarily inhabited by mestizos and indigenous people, , we see first hand the way crime is handled in each respective community. The foreign community neighborhood is largely inhabited by self-centered WASP types showing only marginal concern for their neighbors. The almost purely Mexican community in a poor to middle-class barrio is inhabited by people with a sense of community and driven by the need for mutual self-protection from both criminals and the police. Homes are typically monitored with loud alarm systems in the San Cristóbal Mexican community and, at the first sound of distress, the entire community spills into the street ready to seriously confront miscreants. The neighbors will run down and assault theives and muggers and arrest and severely beat them pending the arrival of police. In the Ajijic community, folks roll over and ignore the sounds of distress. People in poor communities with corrupt police departments tend to join together in community groups to help each other. People coming from communities where there are dependable police enforcement agencies and efficient due process allied with the law become lazy and hide under their pillows.

In the desparately poor hillside barrio of Las Hormigas outside of San Cristóbal they were suffering from a rash of serious burglaries and then one night last year they caught a local kid stealing and assauted and killed him viciously and without mercy and this sort of vigilante justice is commonplace around the third world just as it was in the American West. I am not justifying that lynching but, guess what, there has not been any serious theivery in Las Hormigas since.

Decide wht is important to you and live that way.

On a practical note, when I suffered a serious seizure and almost died a few months ago in that poor barrio in Chiapas, the whole street came to my aid and saw that I was transported to the hospital immediately. They literally saved my life. I could suffer a seizure in the San Francisco bohemian quarter where I lved for many years and passersby would take me for a useless drunk deserving of a sorry fate. Guess which town I will take in my dotage.


(This post was edited by Hound Dog on Jun 25, 2009, 2:01 PM)


johanson


Jun 25, 2009, 3:02 PM

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You asked, rhetorically, I hope, >>>>I'm up North right now. When I get back later in the week, do I report the attempted break-ins to the ministario(spelling) público ? My gardener has a video of the damage. <<<<

Of course you report it. And why wait? Doesn't your gardener speak Spanish? Can't he report it? He might be a bit reluctant because "No vale la pena, Sr. Los policías no hacen nada." but ask him to report it anyway and NOW. There just might be some evidence on that video.

I attempted to make a report to the Ministeria Pulblica herself in Chapala and she wouldn't take the report because nothing was stolen. She didn't react to the fact that the perps damaged the fence to the tune of perhaps $1000 pesos. She told me to report the attempt to the police, which I did. I had a little better luck there. I explained everything, where it happened and showed pictures; they were very polite and seemed interested but they didn't want me to file a report. So much for trying.


Gringal

Jun 25, 2009, 4:15 PM

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I hear what you're saying, dawg, but we live where we live and probably aren't in a position to change that.

However, we might be able to change some things. Back in my San Miguel mixed neighborhood, the Mexicans got tired of thieves and formed a "neighborhood watch" group. This gave the particularly nosy people a good excuse for peering out the windows frequently. It didn't solve the entire problem, but it helped. The Neighborhood Watch programs in the states were quite effective, too. Granted, this does require a modicum of concern for our neighbors.


jcwst

Jul 9, 2009, 4:43 PM

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We have been to this area years ago. Now we spend much time in San Miguel but have rented in Ajijic for a month this summer to see if we would like to spend more time there. We also have friends renting a house also and now they are worried about coming because they have been told the crime is so bad there now and the lake is horrible. This is not what I have been reading. We are coming anyway but would like an opinion of people who live there. Thanks. Jan


johanson


Jul 9, 2009, 5:07 PM

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I admit that the lake isn't what you are used to up North, but it's almost full, by my standards, and looks beautiful. And yes because I live at the end of the road and 2 of the 4 sides of my property face the mountain woods I am a target, but when I checked with my insurance broker, she told me that yes crime had increased but not as much as I had thought.

She suggested that claims for losses had only increased by about 20% now that unemployment has increased. Come on down. Chances are you will not be negatively impacted.
 
 
 
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