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pathall

Apr 12, 2003, 2:24 PM

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The new Jack Nicklaus golf course

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Where is the new Jack Nicklaus golf course going to be? And when is it scheduled to open?



Carol Schmidt


Apr 12, 2003, 11:48 PM

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When the water aerobics group drove out to the hot springs on the road to Dolores, a huge sprawling red hacienda on a hill was pointed out to me as recently purchased as part of the Nicklaus complex. You can see it on the right up on the hill when you turn left into the hotel that has the swimming pool open to the public. (Sorry, I don't remember its name, I just went there for the first time yesterday.) So it's in that general area, and it does sound like a done deal now, though there are still plenty of questions.

The golf resort has supposedly agreed to build a recycling plant to use reclaimed water on the grounds, some of which will be available for other uses (agriculture?). But that does not answer the question of the impact of all the new resort construction which will go up around the 36 holes, requiring top quality water from our ground water supply that is already down to only 50% of its original capacity. (And ground water takes thousands of years to replenish.)

There is an active water management group watching these issues in the San Miguel area and they've written several articles in Atencion and had a feature on the cable news show from San Miguel that broadcasts at 6 pm Wednesdays on Channel 3. Wish I had more details for you but that's all I know.

Carol Schmidt


gpk

Apr 27, 2003, 10:15 AM

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Memberships only US$350,000.00!

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I heard a lifetime membership is US$350,000. What planet are these people from?


Chumley

Apr 27, 2003, 2:40 PM

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Of course, the number of memberships at that price is limited to the first thirty or so lucky millionaires. And that includes an undeveloped lot for construction of the founding member's home away from home.


Brian

Apr 30, 2003, 1:48 PM

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Re: [Don Agustín] Memberships only US$350,000.00!

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Jack Nicklaus discusses the "Las Puertas" golf development on SBN today at 6 PM South of the Border News Wednesdays and Fridays at 6 PM SMA Cable Channel 3


D.G.

May 1, 2003, 7:26 AM

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Re: [Carol Schmidt] The new Jack Nicklaus golf course

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I just wondered if the study group you mentioned really has any knowledge about the ecological impact of golf courses in general, irrespective of whose famous name is attached to them.

As I understand it such enterprises are ecological disasters because grass (including private home lawns) depletes water by evaporation, and requiring copious amounts to keep it its lovely shade of green. It makes little difference whether the water is from "recycled" sources or not, since that water is no longer carried through the ground, to eventuallly recharge the aquifers. The water is, instead evaporated to the atmosphere to be carried off to other remote geographic areas.

A second major problem with golf course development is the large amount of toxic pesticides which are repeatedly applied to keep the same grass luxuriant. These pesticides do find their way into the soil, and are not evaporated with the water. Thus run off water will carry the pesticides to neighboring land masses.

Since San Miguel has a long standing water problem (quality and quantity) I cannot understand why informed people would even entertain such a development in what is for at least half a year a semi-arid climate.

Just my 2 cents worth.


Chumley

May 1, 2003, 1:19 PM

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Re: [D.G.] The new Jack Nicklaus golf course

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My understanding of the project (and perhaps we shall all learn more on the TV show tomorrow) is that the fairways will NOT be grass, only the greens around the holes will be. Whether or not the fairways are sand or dirt or dust or whatever indiginous matter that they can conjure up, nevermind what it does to the golf club heads, your concern about the usage of water is valid. However, remember that over 80% of the water used in the state of Guanajuanto is for agricultural purposes, not domestic. There is the major problem that certainly needs to be addressed.


Carol Schmidt


May 5, 2003, 1:46 PM

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The new Atencion has a nice juxtaposition of two front page articles on the golf course. One is a smarmy sales pitch kind of article about how luxurious and exclusive the complex will be, and how new members are being recruited, and how Nicklaus himself was thrilled by the site and eager to get started with designing the course. The article makes it clear that promoters are presenting the resort as a fait acompli.

The adjoining article notes that the investors haven't even applied for the forms to get an environmental impact report done, and that process will take many months, and no approval has been given for the project at all. It mentions the hefty fines which can be leveled at projects which attempt to proceed without such a report and approval. All work can be stopped if they proceed without approval.

The questions about water usage are not just about the reclamation plant which the resort will help subsidize, which will provide all the water for the greens and for other community uses as well. The unanswered questions are about where the water is supposed to come from for all the development which will accompany the golf course, such as restaurants and hotels and new luxury houses, which certainly will not use reclaimed water!

The groundwater reservoir used by SMA is already down 50%, and it's not something that fills up the next rainy season--groundwater takes thousands of years to refill. Water shortages are a worldwide problem, including much of Mexico--we can't just go on as usual, ignoring the implications of our actions.

Yes, agriculture uses something like 85% of the water here and there are many wasteful farming practices which would yield the greatest results if more ecological practices were adopted. But change is hard for someone who has always done something one way and doesn't have the money or luxury of time to allow for conversion to new methods--that land must yield its crop now, or it is disaster for the farmer. It will be expensive and time-consuming to educate farmers on better farming practices.

Meanwhile it would be much easier for those of us who know about such things to make those changes which are easier--and to stop ecological disasters before they get started, like this golf complex.

Of course it's easy for me to say--I've never played golf in my life, and couldnt afford anything connected with the new resort, and my income doesn't depend on tourism. It's a hard question for those involved, who want SMA's economy to grow. It's the usual problem: better ecological practices can be costly in the short run no matter how necessary they are for the long run.

Carol Schmidt


Chumley

May 7, 2003, 1:27 PM

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Does anyone in San Miguel (other than the developers, of course) realize that there is yet another golf course under construction near San Miguel? And not only is a golf course planned, but there is talk of building a motion picture sound stage on the same property to entice future feature film production. This development has the quality of stealth technology to it, and I am assured that construction is already underway.


pathall

May 7, 2003, 1:49 PM

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Where is this other golf course situated?


Chumley

May 7, 2003, 5:24 PM

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I can only say that it is on the carraterra to Dolores. I can reveal no more.
 
 
 
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