Sep 18, 2006, 11:51 AM
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>The difficulty, in my view, is understanding how the cultures evolved so differently from the same set of ten commandments.
Re: [arbon] social expectations and cultural values
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Someone on these forums, once exclaimed, "The Puritans are landing on the shores of Moctezuma!"
Meaning, the extrajaneros, mostly from Anglo-Judeo/Christian heritage, johnny-come-latelys of the 20th and now 21st centuries.
From before the Code of Hammurabi, sixth king of the Amorite Dynasty of Old Babylon there have been written law codes. They set out what you shall or not do, and the punishments with fines, pay-back or often death.
"An eye for an eye." operating in many cultures, in many eras.
In Mexico, there is 'law' but the law is not always obeyed.
Boiling down so often, to a matter of interpersonal dynamics.
A lot of what we're talking about here on this thread, for the 'perps' seems dependent on whether they think they can get away with it. Who can get one over on who. The stakes?
Like Rolly suggests, there can be casual, spontaneous situations too.
You present an opportunity. Some people feel compelled to take advantage.
A little lie, how can that hurt?
Plenty of calculating people, though, who like skilled chess players, have the moves and countermoves, figured out pretty far in advance.
Unaware, how many twists and turns, any given situation can take, how can you even begin to be a player.
In Catholic Mexico there is still a God of Forgiveness. That seems a huge part of the culture.
With forgiveness, flowing around more freely, there's more acceptance of 'sin'. Matters of conscience, between you and God, so to speak. I'm not really sure there is a way out of dilemnas like Jonna and alex have described except to avoid situations like this in the first place.
Un hombre preparado vale por dos.
And perhaps find out about people before entering into any kind of business relationship.
Among some people of my acquaintence, chronic 'lying' seems no biggy(not really a sin) Stealing, no biggy either. Adultry, accepted even celebrated etc.
And no biggy, stiffing 'the boss-man, the gringo etc. Corruption, no biggy either.
That isn't to say there aren't with people with 'ethics' that include honesty, integrity and other classic virtues.
The trick has always seemed to me, to find out, who operates in what fashion. Who says one thing, yet does another. How to avoid a position of vulnerability in the first place. Easy to say, of course, harder to put into practice.
Find those ethical people and become real friends.
And then there's the dichotomy between the concept of 'forgiveness' on one hand, and the concept of 'revenge'. Seen that revenge culture thing up a little too close and personal.
And then there's the sweet revenge, patiently waiting in the weeds, for a long time, years, for that perfect chance.
This is a way simplistic jab at the topic.
(This post was edited by wendy devlin on Sep 18, 2006, 11:55 AM)