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Diana

Aug 12, 2006, 10:26 PM

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Hello, I would appreciate hearing from (or about) people who have traveled extensively in Mexico in a minivan. I have seen many posts from those with RVs. I have seen information about the best cars to drive in Mexico. I am wondering about vans. DianaO.



paulette & Chuck

Aug 13, 2006, 8:07 AM

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My husband and I traveled in a truck camper for 3 months last winter. We did see people in minivan- campers. (VWs etc) It is a great way to travel. You'll have a lot more flexibility w/o an RV. Where are you going? Pick up a copy of Traveler's Guide to Mexican Camping by Mike and Terri Church. Rolling Homes Press. Although it is geared more for RVs, it's full of great information. We never had a problem finding a campground or beach to stay on.

Paulette


bunny

Aug 22, 2006, 2:56 PM

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I have traveled quite a bit in Mexico (Pacific coast and central highlands), with little kids (2 and 5), in a 1995 Chevy conversion van and Absolutely Love It. Not too big, not too small, goes everywhere & is a very comfortable home away from home. Parts are cheap and any mechanic can work on it. What is your specific concern or requirement in terms of a vehicle?

Gretchen


Jane.Wilkinson


Sep 16, 2006, 9:51 PM

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We made four trips to Mexico, driving all over, in a VW Eurovan camper. It was a good way to travel - we camped in it sometimes, even sleeping at Pemex stations, although we most stayed in motels or B&Bs. You can see a photo of the van packed at a campsite on my website at http://gringodog.home.comcast.net

Last year, with 85,000 miles on the van, the transmission and torque converter gave out - in Chiapas (San Cristobal de las Casas). It's a long story, but ultimately we paid $2000 for the torque converter, but VW gave us a new transmission (worth $9000) for free! We're still not sure why - but it worked and we made it home. The model of Eurovan that was sold in the US was not imported into Mexico, so parts were scarce, but VW HQ in Puebla had a transmission for this model gathering dust on the shelves. Anyway, although we loved our van, we sold it recently because with high miles and parts scarcity in Mexico, we decided it was too risky. Go with a Detroit van or a Nissan, since they are common in Mexico (and often made there), making repairs much easier. We bought a Dodge diesel truck and a small pop-up camper for our next trip - the Dodge was made in Mexico.

Good luck and have fun!
Jane


wendy devlin

Sep 17, 2006, 9:30 PM

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arbon and I have travelled extensively in Mexico, in the early years in a Ford 4x4 van pulling a 17' trailer, then in the van itself, motel/hoteling it and lastly in a new camperized Ford 250 van.

What is it you would like to know about van travel and camping?


sandykayak


Sep 18, 2006, 12:53 PM

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Hi, Jane...I saw the picture of the Van on the home page...since it's blue, I'm assuming it was a weekender model???? I had a 95 VW EuroVan (they were all white) with the poptop...waaaaay gorgeous. The inside was like an aircraft galley.

Bought in Jan 98 and sold it in about Feb 02 for the following reasons:

I bought a house in April 98
Kept my Honda Accord station wagon and was impovershing myself!

PITA to have it serviced...had to have a pit as it was too heavy to raise

and then I read that someone paid $6,000 for a new transmission!!!

I had thought it would last for 20 years like the old VW buses....but didn't realize it would cost a LOT more.

That said (and especially now that I'm married and have someone to share expenses with), I'd love to have another one. They came out every two years 95 - 97 - 99 and 99 was the last model...hmmmm. wonder what's new at VW?

I spent megabucks on installing kayak racks on the EV only to discover that I couldn't pop the top with a lightweight (44 lbs) yak on top! So I was back to shoving it in and pulling it out at night, which was a pain.

Oh, I ended up selling the VW AND the Honda and bought a KIA Sedona mini-van and a small popup camper (02 Jayco Qwest 8U). Now towed by an 04 Toyota Highlander. I have racks on the popup as well, but that's only good if you are at a waterfront campsite.

Not sure what the camping vehicle will be after I/we retire...might keep the wee popup, or go with an A-frame (Aliner or Chalet) popup, or a van...quien sabe.

Still don't know what the perfectly camping vehicle is (I have a bunch of tents!)...when the VW EV all set up with the screen room it was fabulous...but you couldn't just take off sightseeing. With a trailer, tis easy to leave it at the campground but after 4 years I STILL can't reverse the danged thing. But the popup can't be a pain to set up - especially for just one night, but it IS paid for now.

A van is a very good compromise...course the cost of gas does add up a lot faster.
Sandy Kramer
Miami, Fla & El Parque


Jane.Wilkinson


Sep 18, 2006, 2:25 PM

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Unfortunately VW quit making the Eurovans for the US market in 2003. They were going to come out with a newly designed model, but then scrapped those plans, or so I heard. Yes, ours was a weekender with the pop top and a little fridge. It was big enough to hold enough stuff for 10 weeks of travel (plus two dogs), but small enough to park and navigate narrow streets. Transmissions have been a problem with Eurovans - we learned this after ours went out. Amazingly enough, the resale prices are very high - with low miles, they can cost as much or more than the original purchase price. In my opinion, that makes them overpriced as a used vehicle.

We agonized over a replacement. I was big on getting something with a potty. We narrowed our choices to a Sprinter mini-RV and a truck with a camper. We found a lovely used Gulfstream with low miles for a reasonable price. Many RV manufacturers are doing these conversions, with prices all over the place. These are the little rigs that are diesel and get 23 mpg. There are a lot of Sprinters in Mexico used for passenger and delivery vans, so repairs wouldn't be a problem. We ultimately settled for the truck camper for a couple of reasons. One is that we can leave the camper part behind at an RV park and just take the truck. Another is that the truck is four-wheel drive and has high ground clearance - good for some of the areas we go to in Mexico. A diesel truck is reputably very reliable, so breakdowns shouldn't be an issue (we hope). The gas mileage for such a honker of a truck is amazingly good. We got 21 mpg driving it to Colorado (from Oregon) to pick up the camper. The model we selected was a Dodge 2500 with four doors. We selected the Dodge because the local dealer offered the best price.

The camper we bought was an Outfitter Mfg. pop-top, the Apex model. We picked this model because it is much lighter weight than conventional truck campers, which helps gas mileage. Lowering the top while driving lowers the wind resistance, which also helps gas mileage. It has all the bells and whistles of a full RV - toilet, teeny shower, stove, fridge, microwave, awnings, etc., all in a very small package. It also has a great deal of storage room, something I was worried about. We've used the camper quite a bit since purchasing it in early August, and have really enjoyed it. Nonetheless, it is considerably longer and wider than our Eurovan, so there will be challenges. We have decided we'll just have to walk more.

I cannot enthusiastically recommend the Outfitter brand, however. It is a small Colorado operation that apparently was swamped with orders last summer. It was more than they could handle. Therefore, delivery was about eight weeks late and the finish workmanship was sloppy. The gentleman who runs it is pleasant and knowledgeable, but he has taken in his son, who is rude and surly. We came close to cancelling our order and going with a rival, Hallmark, also made in Colorado. I liked the Alaska Campers (also popups) made in Chehalis, Washington. The workmanship is supurb. It is a heavier model and is a little quirky, which my husband didn't like. There are a couple of less expensive pop-up models available, such as Northstar. The smallest ones made don't have a potty, which was a deal-killer for me.

Good to hear from you, Sandy.

Jane Wilkinson


sandykayak


Sep 18, 2006, 2:52 PM

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mea culpa...I misunderstood: when you said small popup I thought it was a trailered PU...

you bought a huge truck and then put a camper on top of that. wow.... is there a photo of this rig on your website?
Sandy Kramer
Miami, Fla & El Parque


Jane.Wilkinson


Sep 18, 2006, 7:02 PM

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No photos on the website yet, but here's a photo. (I'm not certain it will appear - it doesn't in my preview, so we'll see).
Jane


cristalhombre


Sep 19, 2006, 10:35 PM

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jane

You mentioned Sprinter conversion vans as a possible choice for exploring MX. I know they were designed by Mercedes/Chrysler/Freightliner Trucks for utility vans. My company has bought a couple for local Portland deliveries and so far they seem to operate very well!! The interiors are cavernous for a box van truck. Both are diesel.

Do you have a price tag for a moderately equiped Camper Sprinter? Our bare bones trucks with just two seats and a radio ran about $22,000 each. Any idea what a camper conversion costs. And what mileage do you get when you load it up with cabinets, beds and closets?

Any info would be helpful. It seems like an ideal vehicle for Mexico road trips.

gracias.





"NOT ALL WHO WANDER ARE LOST...."

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Jane.Wilkinson


Sep 19, 2006, 11:09 PM

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The Sprinter conversion, if my recollection serves me, go for about $60,000 to upwards of $100,000 new. Sticker prices are higher, but when we looked at them, there were starting to be discounted. All the players are have Sprinter models now - Leisurecraft, PleasureWay, Gulfstream, Airstream, etc. Ithaca (by Winnebago) has a model listed at $86,000, but the local (Portland) dealer was recently willing to sell (new) for $72,000. (This is according to my husband, who out of curiosity took a look at one last week and brought home a brochure). That one was a real honey: It had a slide-out and a very attractive interior. We could have bought a slightly used Gulfstream for $50,000 last May. We decided it would be great for traveling around the US, but we were concerned about Mexican roads. They ride pretty low, and given my husband's penchant for bouncing down rough roads, we decided it was risky. We've blew out tires in our Eurovan several times, and bent the rim when we we hit a gigante pothole in Guaymas.

I don't know what effect the conversion has on gas mileage; you'd think it would have an impact, although I've read posts from users who say they do get about 22/23 mpg on the highway. One thing to keep in mind is that Diesel costs more than premium in the US, and the price is going up because of new sulfur standards going into effect. I've talked to delivery drivers about the Sprinter and they seem to like them. They've been out in Europe since the mid 1990's, which gave Mercedes time to iron out the bugs. I'd suggest you search some of the RV forums on the Sprinter as this pretty much exhausts my knowledge.

We paid about $38,000 for our new Dodge truck (2500, 4 door model), and $24,000 for the Outfitter camper that goes on its back. Gas mileage went from 21 mpg highway down to 16 or 17 mpg when we put the camper on it. We couldn't find a used Outfitter or similar camper we liked, and the asking prices on trucks with low miles was about the same as the new price. If you want to take a look at our setup, cristalhombre, you're welcome to stop by and take a look, as I gather you also live in the Portland area. We are in L. Oswego.

Hasta la vista,
Jane


sandykayak


Sep 20, 2006, 7:55 AM

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We have an unused 29' Wildcat travel trailer that has been sitting on my husband's property in New Orleans since April 1st. They never connected the utilities, so he couldn't use it and had to rent an apartment! First he loses his Lakeview house (courtesy of Katrina) and then he can't move into the nice trailer he bought!

Tis gorgous..slide-out living/dining area, stainless steel appliances, surround sound, rear cubby has a double bed and a single bunk... full/queen in master bedroom. Tis a towable trailer, not a 5th wheel, and requires a 3/4 ton (ie 250) towing vehicle/truck.

We paid $25,000 and would, ideally, like to at least get our money back. Please PM me, if interested.
Sandy Kramer
Miami, Fla & El Parque


cristalhombre


Sep 20, 2006, 9:40 AM

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Thanks Jane in LO.

Your Sprinter/camper information has been helpful. I'm looking out my office window now at one of our Sprinter vans in the parking lot and I think there is an easy 12 inches of clearance from the ground to the chassis. Not any less than what a class C RV might have?? But I am not an RV person, so I a have a lot to learn.

I have been on a mountain bike in the back roads of rural Oaxaca, Colima and Jalisco. Those roads that your hubby likes to find........roads that only a bike or burro could negotiate. But I think this Sprinter would do quite well on any truly "drive-able road surface" with ease. I could see where this rig would work in most places. Service and parts would be a benefit too.

Jane you have a great website for dog people. ¡Que bueno! My Airedale would love to explore southern MX with us......one day I hope!

Espero visitar la nueva Bubba-landia............"Chiapas" en el futuro.

I have friends who drive from Government Camp (Mount Hood) to Belize every summer in their Dodge diesel pickup camper. They ski winters and snorkel summers (not a bad life plan).

So I know this trip is possible......practical......no se???

My problem is that I love to explore new places, but HATE to drive........ Can't wait for the Star-Trek transporter gizmo to beam me SOB on demand.

I will update you on the Sprinter idea. There is a guy in Eugene who makes/converts box vans into 'artful' non-toxic campers, with natural woods etc (only in Eugene would you find such a character, of course). Really cool rigs. I was backroad cycling in Ireland about 10 years ago and this very cool horse drawn gypsy like stagecoach "house trailer" with rubber wheels, all elegantly painted up and absolutely gorgeous, was on the road. I stopped my bike and talked with the folks from Norway, who were renting it from an outfit near the Ring of Kerry (south west Ireland). Anyway, it planted this idea of an 'artful' camper, lacking heavy particle board cabinets and formaldehyde scented carpets.

Mi gusta sueño! (my spanish stinks....hope that is understandable)





"NOT ALL WHO WANDER ARE LOST...."


Jane.Wilkinson


Sep 20, 2006, 9:22 PM

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I’m not sure of the exact ground clearance in the converted Sprinter, but the ones we looked at installed long running boards that seemed awfully low. I would not think they would be a problem though on regular Mexican roads, so long as you watch for the potholes and topes ‘gigantes.’ I don’t like four-wheeling, but my husband does - although he’s mostly talk on that subject. Since we can offload our camper, we can offload me in it, so he can go to places I don’t want to go to. In addition, I always have work I take with me to Mexico. (I’m an arbitrator and in Mexico I write up the decisions). So that’s another reason to leave me behind.

We thought about looking into a custom conversion but never quite got around to it. That’s interesting about the guy in Eugene, though, for your ‘artful’ camper. You could avoid low slung add-ons and have something unique. I sometimes reflect on the truck camper John Steinbeck had built for him in “Travels with Charley.” It was a little house with shingles and a gabled roof. This was before the days of fiberglass and vinyl and RVs. I saw one like it on the road one time - a do-it-yourself job that was very cute.

A feature unique to the Gulfstream that we kind of liked was that one model has an elevated bed in the rear. That leaves a huge area underneath for toy storage - big enough for two bikes and our inflatable kayak. The downside is that it made the inside of the Gulfstream seem a little dark and cramped. Short of climbing up on the bed, the only good seats were the driver’s and passenger’s, both of which swivel around.

My husband was hot on the Sportsmobile, made in Fresno and in Texas, and they have a new Sprinter model also. The original Sportmobile is a Ford van conversion and they have a cult-like following. It is hard to find much of a deal on a used one, and the new ones that are 4x4 run around $85-$88k, as I recall. I believe the Sprinter models are cheaper. You can design your own layout with them. There may be a few other manufacturers that let you do this also. My husband like the original version, but I finally got him to cool his jets on that one because they are a lot of money for what you get.

I hate to drive also - in fact I haven’t driven our new truck once yet. But my husband loves to, so I happily ride along. As a plus, he also drives me to the cases I handle, which occur all over the Pacific Northwest. I’m writing this response right now in the back end (i.e. in the camper) as we are driving to Lake Chelan for a gig. It is quite comfortable riding back here and using my laptop. I had a seat belt installed for this purpose. My husband is up front driving with the dogs riding shotgun.

Our first of our now annual winter visits to Mexico was in 2002, when we flew to Cancun, and in a rental car went around the Yucatan. Then we went by bus and chicken-plane around Belize and Guatemala. We noticed the sizeable number of people who drive from the northern US and Canada to Mexico and Belize, and we decided to do it ourselves. Now it has become an annual thing. We’re planning to do some skiing on both ends of our next trip because our fresh-out-of college younger son is working in Vail and gets deals on lift tickets. Supposedly, our camper’s heater keeps things nice and toasty in below zero weather, so we’ll see. We’ll leave our ski gear with our son then until our return in late March. (We plan on leaving in early January). We haven’t decided on our Mexican route. We had thought about going back to Oaxaca and spending more time there, but with the current unrest, we’ll probably stay further north. I loved Chiapas and recommend it highly (except for Tuxtla Guttierez, the capital city).

We are thinking of buying inexpensive mountain bikes for Mexico. We have road bikes-actually mine is more of a hybrid-and they are both pretty nice ones ones. It would be most convenient to put bikes on a ladder rack, but we are worried about theft - hence the inexpensive bikes. How did you transport and secure your bike when you did your mountain biking there? Also, how did you find good rural roads for biking? We’ve been on a lot of rural roads, but they are rarely light on traffic or have any kind of a shoulder. We’d also use the bikes as basic transport around some of the places we like to visit. I’m worried about bike safety, however, in those places.

Keep me posted on your 'artful' Sprinter quest!

Jane





sciman

Sep 23, 2006, 11:27 AM

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This is a really fun thread since I'm among those thinking of spending more time in Mexico, and we'll be traveling with dogs and need something a little larger than our old Westfalia. It is partly about having a toilet, and air conditioning for the dogs.. but we also have to live with association rules. Jane's pointers to internet forums is a useful one, and if one goes to Yahoo.com (I'm not a big fan), there are active groups for Sprinter Vans (across brands), and the major van conversions (Pleasure-Way, RoadTrek, mini-motorhomes, etc.) I've been excited about the Sprinter option, though our association won't allow such a tall van. Unfortunately, they also won't allow us to park a Rialta on our street.. the VW/Winnebago excellently designed minis which are no longer being made, but available on the used market.

Lately I've seen user ratings, and Sprinter gets good marks for economy and handling, while Chevy and other vans get overall higher marks (though weak on economy). Those looking to the "artful vans" might head for Eugene I guess, but others might want to know of Sportsmobile -- www.sportsmobile.com which is an outfit that tailor makes van conversions to one's specifications and preferences. These things are, unfortunately, pricey.. all of them.
 
 
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