Jul 25, 2006, 8:57 AM
Post #10 of 29
Well, I got - to some extend - used to it that in social conversations the rules of logical reasoning are often put aside and emotions take over, but I still would like to insist that apples and oranges are two different things and may go well together in a fruit salad, but not mixed in a discussion.
So, YES, Norm, I have experienced some of Europe during WWII: as a Polish-German baby of two Polish-German anti-Nazi partizans, born a year before the end of the war in a Gestapo prison. So?
What I was referring to, is the CURRENT legislation (= current European government's behavior) and CURRENT prejudices (= current European populations behavior), whether we call them racism, or - as it is "fashionable" and politically correct in Europe: xenophobia: the two sides of the European immigration coin I was talking about.
And whether it is true that children of immigrants in Europe do not automatically become citizens of the country in which they are born (because all European countries base citizenship on ius sanguini /blood=parentage decides citizenship/ while USA, a country DESIGNED to be an immigration country, bases its on ius soli /the place of birth, not the parentage, decides citizenship), this rule affects all children of immigrants, not just those of Turkish workers in Germany. And yes, again, it is also true that Germany does not grant its citizenship easily to immigrants who can't prove partial German parentage, the immigrants in Germany and elsewhere in Europe are by GOVERNMENTS/LEGISLATIONS (though not necessarily by people: this infamous "xenophobia" that Americenas also know so well) SOCIALLY treated WAAY better than the disadvantaged US citizens are by US Government/US laws - not to mention immigrants.
Yes again Norm, denying historical roots to current legislations, whether they lie in WW II or before it (colonialist past was and is a contributor to ethnically impopular but perfectly legal immigration from Africa and Asia), would be utterly silly, but saying that Europe's current legislation is not socially civilized, because over half a century ago there was a WWII appears to me pretty illogical, sorry.
Sadly, this "xenophobia" is once again influencing the European legislators to enact less immigrant friendly laws: Danmark, Holland, so may be we are heading straight up into a new dark age in Europe, as we are already way on our way there in the USA. But so far Europe is still a lot more SOCIALLY civilized than USA is: both in regards to its citizens and in regards to its immigrants, both legal and illegal.
Vivere non est necesse, navigare necesse est!
(This post was edited by MariaLund on Jul 25, 2006, 9:11 AM)