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Ron Pickering W3FJW


Apr 29, 2006, 12:42 PM

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Ifigured this thread would have been locked or closed after about 20 posts ??????????????
What part of NO doesn't some people understand ..............
Getting older and still not down here.

jerezano

Apr 29, 2006, 2:13 PM

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Hello all,

Like Jennifer Rose I keep wondering why "us'ns" here can't seem to understand the rules.

One of us suggests that we "stamp out" every time we go North of the border and just keep going. What does "stamp out" mean? To me it means getting your passport stamped with an exit stamp which has nothing at all to do with your car. That does not clear your car out of Mexico. You MUST take that car to the Aduana (Customs), have the sticker on the windshield removed and get from the bank a free CONSTANCIA or certificate that you have removed the car from Mexico.

Another asks if that means it would be necessary to get a new temporary permit on returning to Mexico with the same car. And the answer is of course YES. You must get a temporary importation permit for any foreign plated car you import to Mexico. The FM3 permits multiple entries, but once you remove the car officially from Mexico, it becomes a new import the next time you enter with it. What could be clearer?

And as for legalization, unless one goes through the expensive process of importing a car permanently and paying the really excessive taxes and fees involved, the possibility of legalizing certain older cars terminates as of May 31 of this year, with very little chance of another extension. Dream on.

Adios. jerezano.


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bournemouth

Apr 29, 2006, 2:25 PM

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Jerezano - the poster was talking about getting his FM3 stamped showing an exit from Mexico. We are required to have our FM3's (not our passports) stamped with an exit stamp when leaving and an entrance stamp when returning. The poster was thinking in terms of his US plated Mexican permitted vehicle being stolen whilst in the US and the complications involved in reporting that to Mexican authorities - the exit stamp on the FM3 would show that the poster had left the country by road. Car permits are multiple entry documents and do not have to be handed in each time you leave, as long as the permit is still valid. People closer to the border cross back and forth constantly and only hand in their permits when the expiration date is reached.

Bloviator

Apr 29, 2006, 4:20 PM

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Sorry Jerezano. I really am stupid. I still don't get it. You say I have to surrender my permit every time I take my car out of Mexico. Bournemouth says it is a multiple entry permit. I assume that means I don't have to surrender the permit and get a new one each time I leave and re-enter. The example of TJ and other border residents going back and forth daily is interesting.

If you are right, I have no problem. I'll just surrender it each time I cross the border and get a new one. If she is right, it still doesn't answer the question as to what happens if the car is totalled or stolen when I am NoB. I guess if it is totalled, I can have it towed back to the border to surrender the permit, but if it is stolen, that is a little difficult.

Since I won't be crossing the border often, I think that regardless, I will just surrender the permit and get another whenever I cross and re-cross.

I do know that if it is stolen in Mexico, I have a real problem, but can solve it by paying a stiff fine and reporting the theft to Mexican authorities.

Also, we are supposed to have our FM3 stamped by the authorities when we leave and re-enter, either by air, water (I assume), or land. That is what I referred to as "stamping out."


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Bloviator

Apr 29, 2006, 4:46 PM

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To Ron and everyone else. I apologize. This is really getting tedious and if I weren't seriously trying to get information, I would have long since quit reading it.

I appreciate those who are trying to help and hope that it isn't inconveniencing others. But remember, you can just not read what is written.

Ron Pickering W3FJW


Apr 29, 2006, 4:53 PM

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I was referring to Skymountains post.
Getting older and still not down here.

Rolly


Apr 29, 2006, 5:15 PM

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You raised two issue -- your FM3 and your car permit.

FM3 -- You are supposed to fill out an exit paper and get your FM3 stamped by La Migra when you leave the country. When you return, you turn in the paper and get your FM3 stamped again. If you fly out and back in, La Migra is almost always there and will want you to do their thing. If you drive out and back in, they almost never bother with it. If you have an FM2 it is really important to do the stamping thing.

Car Permit -- When you drive out you don't have to turn in your permit unless you want to. If you turn it in, you must buy a new one when you return. The advantage to turning it in is that you are OK with the computer if something happens to your car while you are out of the country. If you leave with the permit and sticker in place and something happens that you cannot return with the car, you will have a problem getting that car removed from the computer -- maybe a small problem, maybe a very big problem, one never knows.

Rolly Pirate

Bloviator

Apr 30, 2006, 5:09 AM

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It's amazing. As I was going through the throes of trying to get clear in my mind what the situation is last evening (and dealing with competing information), I was thinking "why don't I just appeal to Rolly to clarify everything." Voila - I wake up this morning and here it is. Everything that I wanted to know.

Again thanks for those who helped and apologies for any time others have wasted as people have tried to stuff information into my seemingly empty head. In my defense, Rolly's last words highlight the confusion and uncertainty "one never knows." Looking for clarity in the never never land of Mexican (or NoB) bureaucracy is quite daunting.


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jerezano

Apr 30, 2006, 9:08 AM

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Hello bournemouth and others,

QUOTE We are required to have our FM3's (not our passports) stamped with an exit stamp when leaving UNQUOTE

What a strange country Mexico must be. I have lived here now in Zacatecas for 18 years some 15 or so with a FM3 and I have NEVER on ANY occaasion had my FM3 stamped when exiting Mexico at any of the four locations I usually use, Reynosa, Los Indios, Roma, or Nuevo Progreso. In fact, I have never encountered a rule, regulation or law that requires such checkout. True, if you stop and present your FM3 for such a stamp, Inmigración will stamp it for you. Why not? I usually cross into the USA about 4 times a year.

Now the FM2 is different. You MUST stop in at the border and get an exit stamp and also a slip of paper which if you lose will cause all kinds of problems when you re-enter Mexico. You must then stop and check back in with Inmigración as you come back in. This is at the frontier. At the check point later on, Inmigración will also check that stamp-in and the slip of paper which you are slso supposed to have. Without that slip of paper they will send you back to Inmigración at the border. At least this is what they do at Reynosa. These requirements are necessary because on the FM2 you are allowed to be absent from México a limited number of days, so Inmigración must keep track of your time out of the country.

The FM3, allows multiple entries and has no time limit on the number of days you can be absent from Mexico. When you re-enter Mexico, Inmigración at the check point just looks at it to check that it is still current and passes you right by. In fact most of the time all you have to do is hold the FM3 in your hand and at least at the Reynosa and Los Indios check points, you are usually waved right by if you are driving a Mexican plated car. If not, you may be stopped by the Aduanero who will compare your car's VIN with your sticker, and if he is not knowledgeable, he may give you a bit of guff that the sticker date is long past, so all you do is show him a copy of the law which states that as long as your Inmigración documents are current, the temporary permit is valid also. Home Free.

Does Jennifer Rose or any one else know some law that I am ignoring? If so, I'll eventually run into it, probably in another 10 years or so. Please let me know so that at least I will be aware I am a criminal.

Adios. jerezano.


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bournemouth

Apr 30, 2006, 12:58 PM

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Jerezano: I cannot quote the appropriate law but I cite the following post by Georgia who is a Mexican resident of many years and an attorney and who always has pertinent information for those of us with questions:
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What many people either don't realize or don't do when driving in and out of Mexico on their FM3 or 2 is that when you exit you are supposed to stop, go into the immigration office, have your visa stamped, and fill out and submit the exit paper. Take the carbon and return it when you come back. Have your entry stamped at the office. No one will require you to do this: you are responsible for it. They won't stop you as you exit. The folks at the Colombia Bridge are particularly clear about this and very helpful/knowledgeable. Perhaps it is because they are not so pressed by large numbers of people going through their facility. Be that as it may, that's how it is supposed to be done.

When you fly in and out the ticket agent will direct you to the immigration booth where you accomplish the same thing on your departure, and then when you return the immigration officials check your documents and stamp them as a matter of course.
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So, I am 100% convinced that you should have been stopping at the immigration office on your way out by car and having your FM3 stamped, showing that you are leaving Mexico. You've been lucky. We might all be lucky 99 times out of a 100 but it's the 100th that I worry about - so it's worth 10 minutes of my time to cross the road at Nogales Kl. 21 and have the appropriate page stamped.

SkyMountain


May 1, 2006, 2:22 PM

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Ok, here it goes! The Poster, yours truly, is a former police officer with á degree in counseling and teaching. I was JOKING. PLEASE ! refrain from judging without any evidence whatsoever! Indeed, would it not be stupid, to announce one's intent in a public forum like this, to break the law????
Highest Truth Light Love Wisdom

SkyMountain


May 1, 2006, 2:38 PM

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As the original poster, and the one you have decided has made a serious suggestion with a lame attempt at an out, I need to ask you how you also come to judge me negatively! I was joking, and
indeed I have enough intelligence not to go to some official Mexican office and say what I said in this forum, so your analogy about the airport scenario does not fit. You say you agree with Jennifer. I ask you both to retract your negative opinions and to apologize for judging me without any merit whatsoever. I consider what you both did very unprofessional, particularly for those with police and legal training. Fine that you are concerned about an illegal act such as someone stealing their own car. Just don't make the irrational and harmful rush to judgment that I meant it.
Highest Truth Light Love Wisdom

sfmacaws


May 1, 2006, 2:58 PM

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Communicating in this medium, online, is difficult at best and misunderstandings are common. Perhaps you should also consider whether your post communicated what you intended. I commented based on what I read and how it sounded to me. I stand by that appraisal. I see no reason to apologize or retract, I based my comments on what I read and my experience with similar statements. I also understand that you feel you were misunderstood. That's fine, I accept your explanation and I'm sure that others will too.

Jonna - Mérida, Yucatán

johanson


May 1, 2006, 3:26 PM

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I owe a couple of you an explanation too. What amazes me is how I can sometimes interpret things so differently than others. When I first read SkyMountain's post, two phrases stood out. ""Thanks for all the ... humor" and when translating "Bromeo, you police types" I knew it meant "I'm joking you police types" To me it was very obvious that SkyMountain was showing her frustration with the bureaucracy. And that she was joking about her suggestion.To me it was very obvious that she was not suggesting that one steal his or her own car. Yet apparently to many, if not most of you, thought she was suggesting that one should steal one's own car. Could it be that you all interpreted what she posted in a negative manner because you do not understand the word Bromeo, and I was saying it is a shame so little of us understand even the basics of Spanish. My whole point of my post was not to support the suggestion that one steal ones own car, but that apparently no one caught on when SkyMountain use the word Bromeo, a word listed in my first year Spanish book, from high school days. (Yes I still have most of my school books from HS.) Perhaps I am also warning those of us who occasionally joke around, that one should assume that almost no one will catch on when Spanish is inserted. I say again; "I'm going to piss some of you off when I write this and some of you will probably attack me for my comments, but why don't you guys learn basic Spanish? It's not that hard to do, it just takes a little time. Especially if you plan to live here. " Oh, and don't use the excuse that you are too old to learn the Language, I checked with two doctors on the subject. They all suggested that be you 20 or 65 you can learn another language at about the same rate. Heck Mom at 86 was working on her fifth language when in her 80s Alzheimer's began to set in and she kept on studying the same chapter over and over again.


sfmacaws


May 1, 2006, 3:44 PM

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Pete, I understood 'bromeo' and I'm sure Jennifer did too. You are preaching to the choir here.

Jonna - Mérida, Yucatán
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