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Apr 14, 2006, 6:30 PM

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Rex wrote in another thread:

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John, I would hope that you are kidding; unfortunately I don’t think you are. Entering a cisterna (aljibe) to clean it would be classified as working in a confined space in The US. It is dangerous and requires special safety training, equipment and annual re-certification in The US to do it legally.

One person should remain outside the confined space to summon help if a worker inside collapses. If the oxygen level in an atmosphere falls below 19%, it will not support life. Doing hard work in an unventilated cisterna would soon deplete the oxygen content of the atmosphere in it.

With only one hatch, there is not going to be any natural air circulation to replenish the atmosphere in a cisterna. Something as simple as a ducted fan could be a lifesaver.


Rex, how right you are in the above. I want to share this in the hopes that it never happens to anyone you know. Our good friends Kathe & Colleen, are developing a women's retirement community outside of Chetumal in Calderitas, Quintana Roo. Last Saturday, they were cleaning out the old well with the help of a Mexican man who has been working for them. He is not young, originally his son was going to work for them but he turned out to be a flake and his father Pablo took over for him. He probably looks older than he is but I'd say he is at least in his late 50's. Colleen is not young either, she's in the neighborhood of 60 but in good shape and good health.

Here is what happened in Kathe's words http://www.whirledvision.com/2006April.html

It is a horrible tragedy with incredible heroics from all involved. It could very, very easily have resulted in all 4 dead at the bottom of that well. Instead, Colleen is alive but the outlook is guarded and the other 3 have no lasting effects.

As their friends, we are devastated and hoping and praying that there will be a positive outcome for Colleen.


Jonna - Mérida, Yucatán





Papirex


Apr 14, 2006, 7:54 PM

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Jonna, I’m happy to learn that all the people in this near tragedy survived. I wrote about this type of danger in my original post because I know that it would never occur to most laymen that they could breathe enough air to put themselves at risk of death.

Besides the innocent and naïve belief of many people that there is no serious danger involved in working in confined spaces, there is the cost, for many people in Mexico; they simply do not have the financial means to protect themselves, or their workers in dangerous situations.

I spent most of my adult life working in the construction industry. It is always a little dismaying when I hear people dismissing construction workers abilities as though anyone could do that work with no training, or education. It’s not a place for dummies.

When I first started working as an apprentice, it was simply accepted that there would be one job related death per million Dollars of construction cost.

Attitudes have changed in the last few decades, and many protective laws have been passed in The US, due in large part to the efforts and pressure of the construction labor unions.

Today, when we work underground, or in a confined space, on a union job we always have one man on “hole watch’ to summon help from the safety office if needed via a radio call. We also carry one or more “tri meters” with us; they are about the size of a hand held two-way radio. A tri meter monitors the working atmosphere for toxicity, oxygen level, and LEL. LEL stands for “lowest explosive level” of the atmosphere we are working in.

We always left them set on “Oxygen level”. An alarm will sound if any one of the conditions of the atmosphere being monitored exceeded, or dropped near or below safe levels.

The safety officer always has SCABA (self contained air breathing apparatus) available to use in rescues for incidents as you have described. We seldom worked using those SCABA tanks, the air supply in them is extremely limited, 30 minutes if you are at rest, 20 minutes if you are walking, and less than 10 minutes if you are working. When the low air alarm sounds, you’ve got about 3 minutes to evacuate. When the oxygen level in an atmosphere drops below 19 % it will not support life.

When we would get our annual re-certification cards, part of the refresher training was always in the use of SCABA tanks, the best known brand of them are the Scott air tanks.

I also mentioned in my original post that two men died about two years ago when they were cleaning a cisterna (aljibe) at the Chrysler plant in Mexico City when that plant was being decommissioned. It’s serious stuff working in a confined space. Unfortunately, most people don’t think it is.

Rex


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Apr 14, 2006, 8:18 PM

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Not to mention that the oxygen in the air we are all breathing at sea level is about 21% with the rest being nitrogen and various other gasses and the percentage of oxygen decreases the higher in elevation we go. 21% minus 19% only gives us a 3% margin.
Getting older and still not down here.


Rolly / Moderator


Apr 14, 2006, 8:18 PM

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In my misspent (and skiny) youth, I was an avid spelunker. With my fellow crazies, we explored lots of caves all over Texas, and once in Mexico. We always carried a kerosene lantern. When the air would no longer sustain the flame, we knew it was time to head out. Came out of some caves with a terrible headache from the air or lack thereof.

Rolly Pirate


johanson


Apr 14, 2006, 9:02 PM

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What a great yet simple solution, Rolly. Between the several houses that I own here in Ajijic, there are five Aljibas between the water source and the house that I now live in. I used to just let the crews go down and clean the underground water storage units (Aljibas) once every three years or so. I am about to drain the water from one aljiba at a time and give them their cleaning. I now know that I will ensure that I have a fan overhead at the opening blowing fresh air down the opening of each aljiba


toddmc


Aug 20, 2006, 1:26 PM

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Sadly Colleen passed away on August 9th.

http://www.whirledvision.com/about_us.html

This is something that I never would have learnt the dangers of if it wasnt for this forum.

Thanks


Todd


sfmacaws


Aug 20, 2006, 11:43 PM

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It was truly tragic. Colleen never regained consciousness and tests showed her only brain activity was in the brain stem, not enough for thought. If you or anyone else has learned of the dangers of working in an enclosed space from this tragedy then some good has come of it. The obituary for Colleen is here: http://www.whirledvision.com/colleen.html

This is a picture I took last January of Colleen swimming in Chetumal Bay. There was a manatee observation tower up at the top of the Bay, a few of us had hired a boat to explore the northern parts of the bay. Anyway, I climbed up on the tower and got this of Colleen swimming far below.



I like it, it seems to convey her personality. She was open to the world and fearless.


Jonna - Mérida, Yucatán




esperanza

Aug 21, 2006, 7:35 AM

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Two beautiful women...one gone ahead to blaze another trail. Jonna, please tell Kathe that all of us here at MexConnect send condolences. Such sad news, goodness.




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sfmacaws


Aug 21, 2006, 2:16 PM

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I have passed that on to her. I don't think she belongs to MC although she may have had a trial membership once. Anyway, I sent it to her. Pretty tough situation. She's going back to the land in Calderitas to continue the clearing and building, really tough.


Jonna - Mérida, Yucatán


 
 
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