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Ron Pickering W3FJW


Feb 12, 2006, 12:16 AM

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Hola amigos,
We're (my pal Jim, kc7mtn and I) are counting down the weeks until our trip to Mexico. Will be leaving Tacoma on the 4th of March, only three weeks away. I'm trying to get all my ducks in a row to make sure the trip is pleasant, restful, and as easy and uneventful as possible. I know two guys in a new car will probably be stopped at military checkpoints along the way, however we have no concerns or problems with this as the forum has been very helpful with this subject. As some of you may remember, my purpose is to find an area to settle in with my motorhome next year. Jims reason is he has always wanted to visit Mexico and just needs to get out of Dodge for a couple of weeks. He may be moving SOB in 10 years or so as well.
We will be entering Mexico at Mexicali on or about March 4th and hope for an uneventful crosing.

As I understand it, we will need:
Passports
Mexican auto Insurance
Permission from vehicle lien holder & registration
Anything else ?

We do need to know where we register our cameras, laptops, and electronic stuff. Both at Mexican and US customs ???
And, where the best place is to convert USD to Pesos. NOB or SOB ?

We will be taking Hwy 2 South to Hermosillo, Guaymas, Ciudad Obregon (looks like we'll have to go through the city according to my map), to Navojoa and then a side trip to Alamos, then on to Los Mochis to Culiacan & Mazatlan, through Tepic to Chapalla. Hopefully we'll be able to find non-toll roads through most of our trip. Might be best to pick up a map after we cross the border. AAA doesn't quite cut it with their Mexico map. We also will be using gps so we don't get too lost.
Any advice as to driving time on the various legs of our trip, and inexpensive places (read cheap but no scorpions or cucarachas) to overnight will be most helpful and welcome. All we need is two beds, a dry roof over our heads, a loo and maybe a TV. A Mexican version of Motel 6. We have no idea where we'll be or how many miles we will have covered before it starts to get dark each day so we will probably have to play it by ear and take our chances.

Enough for now. Will probably have more ? as the days go by.
Mucho gracias for any & all advice and information.

Hasta Luego
Ron

Getting older and still not down here.

(This post was edited by Ron Pickering W3FJW on Feb 12, 2006, 12:17 AM)



Papirex


Feb 12, 2006, 9:31 AM

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Laptop computers and cameras for your personal use are permitted to be brought with you without needing to register them with anybody. They may want to look at them, but that will be all. Peripherals such as portable printers, scanners, etc. for the laptop are also permitted. I have carried mine back and forth many times, by air and land. I do carry a Canon BJC 50 portable printer with a scanner cartridge for it. I don’t know what you mean by “other electronic stuff.” so I can’t advise you on that.

ATM machines will give you the best exchange rate in Mexico. Most of them here charge 7 Pesos, about 70 US Cents, when you use them here. Casas de Cambio (money exchange houses) here are private businesses and they make their profits by giving you a lower exchange rate than the banks do. If you need to use one of them, they are OK, just be aware that their rates are not as good for you as using an ATM or going into a bank will be. If you belong to a credit union there will be no charge by it to use your ATM card here, there is a 1% international conversion fee levied by most US financial institutions though. Getting Pesos nob at a bank or money exchange is always more expensive, because the exchange rate will be less favorable for you.

In the Tacoma area I recommend The WESCU (Washington Employees State Credit Union). My brother-in-law lives in Tacoma; he works at Boeing, and has an account there. He opened another joint account with his mother a couple of years ago and she has her US Social security checks deposited there. She accesses her money using an ATM card here in Mexico, there is never any extra charges levied on her account when using her ATM card. I belong to the AlaskaUSA federal credit union; we have been using our ATM cards here ever since ATM machines first appeared in Mexico in the early 1990s. There is never an extra fee when using them here. It ‘s a good idea with many US banks to call them and notify them that you will be using their ATM and credit cards in Mexico.

Most of the ATM machines here have a limit of $3000 Pesos per transaction; there is only one ATM machine that we have found here in Cuernavaca that will allow single withdrawals of up to $5000 pesos. You can do more than one transaction if you want to with most of them to withdraw up to your daily limit set by your US bank. Our own daily withdrawal limit is $505 US Dollars for each of our ATM cards, so we may withdraw a total of $1,010 US Dollars per day. We usually do that on the first of every month here.

If an ATM is out of money, they will often display a message in English that it cannot complete your transaction. Many people have mistakenly thought that their ATM card would not work in Mexico when they see that message. Just try another machine.

Most ATMs here display all messages in Spanish and English. Do not expect to get exactly the published exchange rate. The published rate is yesterdays rate at the close of business. ATMs will give you the current hourly rate. Monetary exchange rates are not fixed by law; they reflect the amounts actually being paid for currencies.

Rex


"The supreme happiness of life is the conviction that we are loved" - Victor Hugo

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Camille

Feb 12, 2006, 12:03 PM

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The map you want is The Guia Roji, which should be available in a Tacoma bookstore, or certainly online. There was a new edition in 2005. It's an excellent road companion, formatted for ease of handling in a car... in other words, the size of a magazine,not a large wall. Safe journey!


Bloviator

Feb 12, 2006, 4:10 PM

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For the trip you are undertaking, the Auto Club map is quite adequate. The Guia Roji is excellent, but gives you so much detail that it is mind boggling, AND IT COSTS ABOUT $25 US. There's basically only one road and so you don't need much detail.

I assume that you are crossing at Nogales. I don't know that part of the road, but once you hit Magdelena, Santa Ana (where the road from Tijiuana joins hiway 15), I can be of help. We just got back from there Thursday and have driven it several times in the past year.

There is nothing worth stopping for until you get to Guaymas unless you like dusty desert towns (Hermosillo) or want to stop for a really good buffet. There are several in Hermosillo in the good hotels. Prices range from $6 to $11 US.

Follow the signs for Guaymas as you go through. There is a new route that is just being finished and misses a lot of the city. It is easy to follow. Santa Ana to Hermosillo is about 120 miles of easy road and should take only about 2 hours or less. If you go right through, it will take about 1/2 hour or less to get through Hermosillo.

Hermosillo to Guaymas is another 100 miles and takes 1-1/2 hour or less. It's all straight, fairly good, boring, desert road with few towns or other distractions.

You bypass Guaymas if you stay on the main highway. Just follow the signs for Ciudad Obregon. However, I strongly recommend you take a brief side trip to San Carlos - or depending on the time of day, spend the night. The road is just before Guaymas and is clearly marked. It is a very interesting place - though very touristy. There are three (?) protected harbors with houses looking down from the surrounding hills. Very nice. There are several places to stay there - from very upscale to "Motel 6" quality. However, we stay in the Miramar section of Guaymas, about 15 miles away at the Hotel Playa de Cortez because we have animals and they allow them. It is a fascinating place. Built in 1936 right on the bay, it is seedy and run down (rates $70 midweek and $90 weekends), but has a fairly nice restaurant and bar, and was obviously an elegent place with a fascinating history. As far as I can see, Guaymas itself, is a typical Mexican working port. The most outstanding thing you see in the harbor is a large number of abandoned fishing boats left to rot. There are several cheap hotels and motels on the northern entry to town.

From Guaymas to Ciudad Obregon (70 mi/less than an hour), is more of the same. You will go through the middle of C. Obregon and about 15 mi. Navajoa is another 40 miles. DO NOT TAKE THE PERIFERICO. IT IS A HORRIBLE TRUCK ROUTE AND MUCH SLOWER THAN GOING DIRECTLY THROUGH TOWN. Navajoa is a nice town with lots of places to stay. We prefer the Best Western del Rio (?) - on the river just as you come into town. It his a little pricy ($90), but is very nice and has a good restaurant. The road to Alamos (30 miles off the main road) takes off on the southern outskirts of town.

UNLESS YOU PLAN TO GO INTO LOS MOCHIS OR CULIACAN, BOTH OF WHICH YOU CAN BYPASS, BE SURE TO TOP OFF YOUR GAS TANK AS YOU LEAVE NAVAJOA. FROM THERE TO MAZATLAN - ABOUT A TANK FULL DRIVE , DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF YOUR TANK - THERE ARE NO GAS STATIONS AND YOU WILL BE LIKELY TO ARRIVE IN MAZATLAN CLOSE TO EMPTY AND HOLDING YOUR BREATHE.

We have stayed in Los Mochis a couple of nights. We do not recommend the place we stayed unless you like cockroaches. We also do not really care for the town. We do, however, like Mr. Edwards restaurant. It is quite old in the classic rather than rundown sense and has good food at reasonable prices in a very nice setting with a set of railroad (the gateway to Copper Canyon) photos.

We do not go into Culiacan at all. It is reputed to be the center of the West Coast drug trade and to be a dangerous town. A friend stayed there and was confronted with drug kings with armed body guards. We will pass on that and have no information about Culiacan except that you can easily bypass it.

If you are serious about "Motel 6" hotels, we have a great recommendation in Mazatlan. Because of our animals (after a lot of begging), we stayed there. It is cheap ($45 US) and clean. It is right across the street from the Taj Mahal/Mormon Temple type hotel - you can't miss it (name unknown) on the Malecon (seaside street) in the middle of town. If you want good cheap food, La Brochetta just down the street specializes in - Surprise - brochettes. The food was good and very cheap, though they did not have beer or any other alcoholic drinks.

As you are leaving Mazatlan, watch out for the gas stations. We got short changed $200 pesos on our northward trip and they tried to start the pump at $50 pesos on the southward trip. The first was due to my stupidity and a really early morning start without coffee. The second was caught due to my rapidly improving intellect (a very temporary phenomenon).

YOU INDICATED THAT YOU PREFER TO TAKE "LIBRE" - NON TOLL - ROADS. I STRONGLY RECOMMEND AGAINST DOING SO. THE TOLL FROM SANTA ANA TO GUAD WILL RUN YOU ABOUT $90 US. IT IS ABSOLUTELY MONEY WELL SPENT UNLESS YOU LIKE SLOW, DANGEROUS, AND VERY BUMPY ROADS THAT MEANDER ALL OVER THE COUNTRYSIDE.

The road from Mazatlan to Tepic is 200 miles. The start and finish is great toll roads. The middle is 100 miles of really bad and dangerous two lane roads. There are 100 shrines for dead people on that stretch. One for each mile. Needless to say you want to drive very carefully. It is far and away the worst part of the trip. If you can, drive it midweek/midday. If you drive it on the weekend, you will face bumper to bumper traffic from Guadalajara people going to or coming from the beach. I can't suggest the driving time for that stretch. It depends on traffic.

The drive from Tepic to Guad is a very nice four lane toll road. It will take about 3 to 4 hours and is about 150 miles. From the outskirts of Guad, good luck. If you aren't familiar with Mexican city driving you will need it.

Normally, I would recommend following the signs for "Colima." Unfortunately, they are doing road work on that stretch and you should follow the signs for "Chapala/Aeropuerto." It will be quicker, even if you have to go through a lot of Guadalajara.


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Feb 12, 2006, 4:31 PM

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Cheap but clean & decent:

Guaymas Hotel Santa Rita- go on the road to Guamas, do not take the toll road. On the left, about two miles past the San Carlos turnoff. About $350 to $450 pesos/nite.

Mazatlan: Cabinas al Mar on the old malecon, near the big copper brewing kettle. About $400 pesos/nite. You get two bedrooms, a parilla & refrig.


Bloviator

Feb 12, 2006, 5:18 PM

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The Santa Rita is one of those I was referring to on the northern outskirts or Guaymas. I think there are two others with the same name nearby.


bournemouth

Feb 12, 2006, 5:53 PM

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We drive this route regularly, too regularly - but you certainly can get gas between Navajoa and Mazatlan. Maybe you mean between the turn off to Culiacan and Mazatlan - gas is a little less frequent on that section but there is usually gas near the toll booths.

Just south of Los Mochis, off the toll road, is an excellent truck stop/Pemex station called La Pilarica. Spotlessly clean, good restaurant, little shop - everything one needs. We stop there both going and coming and can highly recommend it. It is well signed so you shouldn't miss it.

If you don't want to fight your way through Mazatlan to the beach, then there is a truck stop like family hotel behind a Pemex station on the carretera called Las Palmas. Clean but basic rooms for less than 300 pesos. You will see a lot of semis parked on the dirt there.

The Playa de Cortez on Miramar Beach, Guaymas was built by Southern Pacific in the railway heydey of the 30's. It's sad to watch it slowly disintegrate and it could be lovely again. It belongs to the Gandara family who also have a hotel in Hermosillo and are well known in the tourism business in Sonora.


Ron Pickering W3FJW


Feb 12, 2006, 11:44 PM

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Rex, Camille, dlyman6500, patricio, and Bridget,

Thank you all for taking the time and offering your advice and help. I'll be printing these suggestions and pasting them on my map so I have them for reference without having to fiddle with my laptop which will be busy with the gps. If y'all or anyone else have any more suggestions or hints to offer, please don't be bashful. Anything and everything will be mucho appreciated.

Thank you all again
Hasta Luego

Ron

PS: Hopeing to meet some of y'all at Joes 3d week in March.
Getting older and still not down here.


Bloviator

Feb 13, 2006, 5:53 AM

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Thanks for the correction. I indicated that you could get gas if you go off the toll road, but I guess, since I fill up in Guaymas or Navajoa, I'm not looking for gas until past Culiacan. I'm pretty sure, though, that there is a long stretch north of Mazatlan with only one station on the toll road - northbound and closed, as I found out two times when I was desperately searching for gas before getting to Mazatlan.


bournemouth

Feb 13, 2006, 6:51 AM

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You are right about the lack of gas north of Mazatlan to Culiacan - we've had the same problem going north, struggling into a gas station only to find it had no gas - still doesn't I think. We were told they hadn't paid their bills and had been cut off - now we make sure we leave Mazatlan with a full tank or La Pilarica with a full tank going south.


alex .

Feb 13, 2006, 10:19 AM

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Going south out of Maz can be abit tricky: going around past the thermoelectric plant, over the long skinny bridge, thru whatever that colonia is, then finally, after you are certain you are lost, see the sign to Tepic off to the left.
Alex


RickS


Feb 13, 2006, 8:34 PM

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Hola, Ron.

I would like to add some things about your plan to drive down that will, hopefully, make it a ‘better’ trip.

In addition to having the documents you mentioned for the border, also take two (2) copies (color, preferably) of each as well as your driver’s license. They are going to want to take a copy of some of these at the border. You’ll also need a credit card with the SAME name as on your Passport to (mandatory) use getting your temporary car import sticker ($27) . Also, take two credit cards just in case an ATM eats one of yours somewhere along the way.

Pesos. You’ll want to get some at the border. I’d look for a Casas de Cambio on either side of the border and not worry about the minor difference in exchange rate between that and an ATM for now. Get enough to buy gas, pay tolls, eat and lodging for maybe your first two days.

“Hopefully we'll be able to find non-toll roads through most of our trip.”
I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings, but this will not be the case. And I implore you to take dlyman6500’s advice and TAKE THE TOLLROADS. In much of Mexico, there is a free road that more-or-less parallels the toll roads, but this is not the case from Santa Ana to below Los Mochis, and that’s a long way. So, two things if you decide to take free roads…. you should plan on spending a lot more money on motels because you are going to average about 35 miles an hour for the trip, and you better get a Guia Roji, Por las Carreteras de Mexico map for the meandering you are going to have to do to pull that off. Seriously, spend the $90 on Tolls, save on motel costs and arrive safely.

“Might be best to pick up a map after we cross the border.”
Unfortunately, this probably won’t happen. Mexico just doesn’t have stuff like that, at least not where a stranger can find it. If you don’t want to buy a Guia, PM me your home address and I’ll send you copies of that route off mine.

You also said: “We will be entering Mexico at Mexicali and taking Hwy 2 South to Hermosillo.”
I know that looks like it might be the best way, but do yourself a favor and drive over from San Diego to Tucson on Interstates 8/10 and head south on I19 to Nogales to cross. I guarantee you’ll get there quicker and still have your wits about you when you get there! At Nogales, Az. take the truck route crossing, off I19 at Mariposa Road. Incidentally there is a Casa de Cambio on Mariposa just EAST of the intersection of I19/Mariposa. You’ll then go WEST on Mariposa to the border.

At this website, you’ll find a DETAILED description of tips and the road from Nogales to Navojoa. http://www.rimjournal.com/.../highway.htm#customs

Enjoy your trip.


Ron Pickering W3FJW


Feb 13, 2006, 9:55 PM

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Hola Rick,
Thanks for the additional information and the link.
Teriffic instructions and tips.
I'll be printing out that page and using it as my trip almanac.
Will also probably be avoiding the free roads as well.
Ohhhh so much to think about & remember........

Mucho Gracias
Ron
Getting older and still not down here.


sfmacaws


Feb 14, 2006, 8:47 PM

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I still suggest getting the Guia Roji in the US if you are there. However, I just got a new 2006 Por las Carreteras de Mexico at an Office Depot in Chetumal, they carry them now. This new one includes Belize and Guatemala as well, a great addition.


Jonna - Mérida, Yucatán




bdudge

Jun 13, 2006, 9:56 AM

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You don't happen to have similar pertinent directions etc. for crossing at Laredo and headed to Chapala, do you?
Barbara


Bloviator

Jun 13, 2006, 10:23 AM

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There have been numerous postings for that. Just check the past postings section. You will get complete information. Search forums.


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eportis

Jun 13, 2006, 6:18 PM

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Very useful advice, except perhaps about the copies of documents in color. I used my scanner to copy documents and printed them in color. Crossing at Los Indious in April they made me copy them in black and white -- they also had to be on standard 8x11 paper. I suspect this is one of those things that may vary with time, place and personnel, but I also suspect that black and white is always accepted.


RickS


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Barbara I've never driven that route, but as Dlyman6500 suggests, you will find a ton of info on that subject if you search prior postings. If you haven't done that before, just go to the top of this (any) forum page, click on "Search Posts", then enter "Ajijic to Laredo" in the 'Search String' and click Search. You'll get back a ton of posting on this subject; the first one is a km by km listing of the trip (in reverse order of what you are planning, but just hold it up to a mirror!).

Good Luck.
 
 
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