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Anonimo

Jan 15, 2006, 5:28 PM

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Just a final note on that scary, but thankfully brief episode: the entire bill was $2,450 MXP, for: a night in a private room, three IV's, around the clock nursing care, a urinalysis and a blood test, antibiotics, some anti-nausea drug; three light meals, and a sonogram. (Billed separately but included here FYI in the total.)

The room was fine, but no frills: no call button (no intercom); no TV remote (no TV), and the hospital bed elevated manually, and not by the patient.
A special bonus was the adjacent private bath, with the seemingly unlimited supply of hot water for showering our chilled Patzcuarense bodies.

Saludos,
Anonimo

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CCarol

Jan 15, 2006, 9:31 PM

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Now that's what I'm talkin' about!! Great care, Great price. Who could want for more? Main thing, it worked and your wife is well. Thanks for giving me more ammo about the "questionable" Mexican Health Care.
Carol



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misslyn

Jan 17, 2006, 4:33 PM

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I have heard that family must stay with a patient in the hospital in order to ensure that they receive adequate care. It certainly doesn't sound like that was the case with your wife's stay (glad she's ok!). Is that old news, and is your wife's experience the norm nowadays?

Lyn in San Diego


CCarol

Jan 17, 2006, 4:43 PM

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I have heard that family must stay with a patient in the hospital in order to ensure that they receive adequate care.


See, another USA myth. But I guess it depends on where you receive the health care....same as NoB. Unfortunately popular opinion has it that health care in the USA is the best in the world.....NOT! Again, it depends.
Carol



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Don


Jan 17, 2006, 6:21 PM

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That is true with IMSS hospitals, that a family member stay with the patient. But not to see they get adequate care, but to assist the patient with non medical duties. I spent two days in the IMSS hospital right after Christmas. The wife or a family member was there 90 % of the time. The doctors were excellent and very thorough in their treatment. Every doctor that treated me, also had a private practice on the side. Total cost, zero. This was my first time using IMSS for more than shots. I have IMSS for major backup if needed. Normally go to my private doctor, but he was out of town for the holidays.


jennifer rose

Jan 17, 2006, 6:40 PM

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Even in upscale private hospitals, there is an expectation that the patient's family will hang around. And sleep over.

I've been in two different hospitals in Morelia, and both had a living room with at least one sofa, several easy chairs, a television and coffee table annexed to the patient room, which also held a sofa and coffee table. Every evening, the housekeeping staff would come in, asking if the sofa should be made into a bed for a family member to spend the night. They seemed somewhat shocked that I didn't want a family member to keep watch over me.

During the week past, an elderly friend's wife was hospitalized at Star Medica in Morelia. The staff seemed taken aback that the 82-year old man wouldn't be available to feed his wife three times a day.

The business of the family hanging around isn't to keep tabs on the patient's medical care; it's more a matter of cultural expectations.


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jacpowell

Jan 17, 2006, 6:59 PM

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When my husband has been in the hospital here NOB, I have stayed with him all day every day - only going home at night to catch some good sleep. It is necessary -- to get attention from the staff, to get needed supplies ("More kleenex, please", and to provide the emotional support a possibly frightened patient needs. You can press all the call buttons you want to - if nobody has time or the inclination to respond, it may as well not be there. Support for family care seems to be more institutionalized in Mexico, with better provisions for such types of things to happen - not required, but supported.


Bubba

Jan 18, 2006, 6:35 AM

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The US may have the best care in the worl IF you have money or good insurrance from what I hear. 30 years ago when we were broke and had no hospital ins, my husband ended up delivering our baby as the Dr kept telling us to wait and would not come. We know first hand how lousy the care can be in the US when you do not have the money.
On the other hand we had nothing but good care in Mexican hospitals. The fact that the family is encouraged to stay I think is wonderful. No need for a nurse to use her valuable time getting you a pillow , a glass of water etc. If no one is there you will get care . We have found the nurses very caring but like in any hospitals they may not be able to jump or arrive as fast as you would like, hence it is a good idea to have someone there for non medical care.


alex .

Jan 18, 2006, 6:39 AM

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We find that we can drive to the Mexican border from the US, cross over to Clinica Nueva de Otay, see a doctor without an appointment, receive diagnosis and prescription, go to the pharmacy, cross back to the US, arrive home with the medicine already working, quicker than we can be seen at "urgentcare". And cheaper than my urgentcare deductable to boot.
Alex


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CCarol

Jan 18, 2006, 8:01 AM

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These posts cause me to remember my sister and I here NoB when my dad was dying in the hospital. We wouldn't leave his side but to do so we had to sit up in the foyer with our head on a table. Small plastic couches that we're too short for us and only one (with little steel arms)! We weren't offered anything. We got our own pillows from dad's room. No staff person checked on us throughout the night or anything. We were on our own. They didn't want us in dad's room because it was too small. And I'm talking about a large hospital in Spokane Washington. I think it's very important to provide for family and make them comfortable too. It's a good custom. Our dad died the next week so we're glad we stayed with him...uncomfortable as it was.
Carol



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Papirex


Jan 18, 2006, 9:59 AM

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Like all things in Mexico, hospital care varies from the sublime to the ridiculous. Four years ago my wife’s grandmother was visiting us over the Christmas holidays, and she became very ill. We took her to a local hospital for emergency care, which was very good. She had left her IMSS card in Mexico City so we had to pay the local hospital expenses. I don’t remember the costs, but it was not high.

Since she was going to need hospitalization for a few more days it was decided to transport her to Mexico City via an ambulance. My wife and her mother went to Mexico City so they could get her IMSS card to have her admitted to a hospital there. The ambulance crew told my wife which hospital they were going to take her to, it was the closest one arriving from Cuernavaca. My wife told me later that she was too shaken up to remember at the time that it was the worst hospital in Mexico City.

I stayed home to arrange for dog sitters, etc. I went to Mexico City the next day. The hospital Abuelita was in was a beautiful building. It was a house of horrors. Only one visitor at a time was allowed in her room, and the visiting hours were very limited. A family member staying with her was out of the question. We had to get special permission for my wife to accompany me when I went up to visit her. My wife told them that I spoke no Spanish. (Pretty close to being true.)

When we saw her she was in pitiful shape. She was not able to feed herself, and no one would help her eat. She said the attendants, I don’t think they were enfermeras (nurses), would just leave her food beside her bed, and return in a couple of hours and remove her tray with all the uneaten food on it. They refused to help her when she asked for them to help her. She told us she was starving, and she was obviously getting weaker from hunger, besides being very ill.

She was too weak to get out of bed, and no one would help her go to the bathroom when she asked them to, or bring her a bedpan. She had relieved herself a couple of times in her bed. The hospital staff then gave her holy hell for doing that. Abuelita was 94 years old at that time.

When we left her room, my wife tried to stop several hospital workers to try to have them help her Grandma. Every one of them simply said something like “It’s not my job, or I don’t work on this floor.” They all just kept walking faster down the hall when she tried to talk to them. It took quite a while to see him, but we finally talked to the hospital administrator. He said he was shocked at what we told him, and that he would see to it that proper care was provided for all patients in the future. I did not believe a word he said. No competent administrator would have ever let subordinates neglect their duties as much as we had seen there.

The bottom line is don’t go to any hospital thinking they are all alike in the care they provide. Talk to people that have had treatment in any particular hospital before you go to one for any treatment. If it is a government owned hospital, remember that government employees in this country often do not get their jobs because they are competent, or willing to work.

Grandma is still with us, she just passed her 98th birthday.

Rex


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CCarol

Jan 18, 2006, 10:45 AM

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WOW Rex, that is a horrible story. Guess it pays to shop around and ask around(if you have time) no matter where you are.
Carol



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TlxcalaClaudia

Jan 18, 2006, 2:43 PM

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When my husband has been in the hospital here NOB, I have stayed with him all day every day - only going home at night to catch some good sleep. It is necessary -- to get attention from the staff, to get needed supplies ("More kleenex, please", and to provide the emotional support a possibly frightened patient needs.

Agreed.
I do this NOB for anyone important to me. Did it for a girlfriend when she had a C-section and her husband had to leave her for a day so to go work. Did it for my 45 year old brother-in-law because he had brothers (also working) and no wife when hospitalized. Would do it NOB or SOB for Mom, hubby, kids and anyone else I care about.

Claudine


julietl


Jan 18, 2006, 3:12 PM

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Rex -

If you remember, can you tell me the name of that hospital? There are several right around where I live and if it's near me, I sure don't want to end up there! Thanks.
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Papirex


Jan 18, 2006, 5:04 PM

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I can’t remember it Julie, but I’m sure my wife will. She is over in Puebla visiting a cousin and tomorrow she is going to Vera Cruz to see some friends that just buried their mother. I expect her back here in 3 or 4 days. I will PM you with the name when I have it.

Rex
"The supreme happiness of life is the conviction that we are loved" - Victor Hugo


indyoldguy

Mar 21, 2006, 11:28 PM

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How did you get your IMSS?Can you apply here in the states before you go ?


Don


Mar 22, 2006, 10:12 PM

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I got my IMSS here in Mexico. I don't believe you can apply outside the U.S. I know I had to be there to renew it yearly.
Depending upon your physical condition, you might also consider keeping coverage in the U.S. I also maintain full coverage with Medicare and a supplemental policy. My decision paid off this month. My liver ran into difficulties in January and February (non acohol related). My doctor sent me back to the U.S. Not because they couldn't handle the problem, but if I needed a transplant, donors are hard to find in Mexico.. I returned to the U.S. on February 13 and was put in the hospital in San Francisco on the 14. After a battery of tests, they said I needed a transplant. I received a transplant on March 3 and was released from the hospital on March 15. Still have several months of doctor vists to go, to make sure things heal well. So my gamble with also carrying insurance in the U.S. paid off. I am glad I maintain full coverage in the U.S. and Mexico. So although medical care in Mexico is excellent, there are limitations as I stated above.


Georgia


Mar 24, 2006, 7:04 AM

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I'm glad to see someone else write about this. My husband and I felt that it was relatively cheap insurance to have Part B, so we opted for that, just in case. As your story shows, that "just in case" can happen to anyone. It's nice to have the option of two countries' medical systems to choose from. Each has its strengths and weaknesses. How lucky to have a choice!


lmaxine

Mar 24, 2006, 8:35 AM

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Another "just in case" scenario I've written about before: A couple who lived here for several years had a good private Mexican major medical policy. They opted NOT to take Part B because they figured they were covered well here. Then he had a stroke-got great care in a hospital in Guadalajara, physical therapy at home as he was recovering, and the necessary meds paid for my his Mexican insurance. BUT-he needed speech and language therapy and there were NO English-speaking therapists available either here nor in Guadalajara. They had to buy back into Part B-pay a steep penalty and wait 6 months, I think, so he could go back to the US and get the therapy he needed in his native language. I sure learned from that.

"He upon whose heart the dust of Mexico has lain will find no peace in any other land." Malcolm Lowry
 
 
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