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Doug

Oct 15, 2002, 6:50 AM

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On one of the other forums it was stated that the Banjercito must be advised annually when an FM3 is renewed and a vehicle permit is involved. What would be the easiest way of doing this??? I sure hope I don't have to drive to the border every year.

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Oct 15, 2002, 2:41 PM

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Here's my experience: the law states (and I carry a photocopy of the actual statute in Spanish AND English in my glove compartment) that as long as your FM3 is current, your vehicle permit is also current. When I am driving anywhere in Mexico and am stopped at any checkpoint (including the 30 KM checkpoint driving back into the country from the USA), I am often told by the officers that my vehicle permit is expired. I take out the copy of the law and show it and my current FM3 to whomever is inspecting my car, and I have never had a problem of any kind. On the contrary, I often receive a profuse apology for the bother. Neither have I had to renew my vehicle permit, and I've been here for nearly four years.

Pike

Oct 15, 2002, 2:58 PM

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: On one of the other forums it was stated that the Banjercito must be advised annually when an FM3 is renewed and a vehicle permit is involved. What would be the easiest way of doing this??? I sure hope I don't have to drive to the border every year.XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXMy understanding of the law is that you may either personally submit a letter to any of the 48 customs offices throughout the country within 10 working days of your FM3 extension that advises customs of the extension along with a copy of your prorroga and a copy of the vehicle import permit or you can accomplish it by sending it by messenger service to: Administracion General de Aduanas
Administracion Central de Planeacion Aduanera
Av. Hidalgo No.77, Modulo IV, primer piso
Col. Gurrero, Delegacion Cuauhtemoc
Codigo Postal 06300, Mexico, D.F.I would suggest doing it in person and making and keeping a stamped copy indicating that it has been received by the Aduana.

Doug

Oct 15, 2002, 6:31 PM

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: Here's my experience: the law states (and I carry a photocopy of the actual statute in Spanish AND English in my glove compartment) that as long as your FM3 is current, your vehicle permit is also current. When I am driving anywhere in Mexico and am stopped at any checkpoint (including the 30 KM checkpoint driving back into the country from the USA), I am often told by the officers that my vehicle permit is expired. I take out the copy of the law and show it and my current FM3 to whomever is inspecting my car, and I have never had a problem of any kind. On the contrary, I often receive a profuse apology for the bother. Neither have I had to renew my vehicle permit, and I've been here for nearly four years.This sounds great. Where would I get a similar copy to carry with me???

Rolly

Oct 15, 2002, 6:36 PM

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The experience of many as reported on this board is that the rule for notifying Aduana is not uniformly enforced. It appears that those of us who have had our permits for 2 or 3 years seem to be overlooked while those with newer permits are being hit if they fail to notify Aduana when renewing their FM3s. I have renewed mine twice without notifying Aduana and without being hit, but others have reported problems. Next time I renew, I plan to notify Aduana.

Rolly

Oct 15, 2002, 7:35 PM

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: This sounds great. Where would I get a similar copy to carry with me??? Here is a post from a while back the contains the law and other things we have been talking about:--------------------------------------------------------Posted by brad on Agosto 23, 2002 at 07:44:55:
Your ISP Address: (200.64.150.123) There seems to be some confusion regarding extensions of car permits by FM3 holders.
Generally speaking most posters on the board, myself included, hold the opinion that your papers are valid as long as your FM3 is current. The infallible Jennifer Rose comments on the subject by citing the customs law regarding temporary vehicle importation: “Ley Aduanera Articulo 106 (IV)(a)
IV. Por el plazo que dure su calidad migratoria, incluyendo sus prórrogas, en los siguientes casos:
a) (Reformado inciso a) fracc. IV) Las de vehículos que sean propiedad de turistas, visitantes, visitantes locales y distinguidos, estudiantes, ministros de culto o asociados religiosos, corresponsales e inmigrantes rentistas, siempre que los mismos sean de su propiedad a excepción de turistas y visitantes locales y se trate de un solo vehículo. Cuando no sean de su propiedad deberán cumplirse los requisitos que establezca el Reglamento. Los vehículos podrán ser conducidos en territorio nacional por el importador, su cónyuge, sus ascendientes, descendientes o hermanos, aun cuando éstos no sean extranjeros, por un extranjero que tenga alguna de las calidades migratorias a que se refiere este inciso, o por un nacional, siempre que en este último caso, viaje a bordo del mismo cualquiera de las personas autorizadas para conducir el vehículo.
Los vehículos a que se refiere este inciso, deberán cumplir con los requisitos que señale el Reglamento.”
According to the Aduana’s website, an extension is un-necessary. Here is a cite from the Aduana’s website:
La persona que goce de una prórroga, respecto a su calidad migratoria, conforme lo señala la Ley en esta materia, podrá prorrogar en los mismos términos el plazo para retornar sus vehículos. Para estos efectos no se requerirá obtener prórroga del plazo ante las autoridades aduaneras, pudiéndose acreditar la prórroga del plazo de permanencia legal del vehículo en territorio nacional, con el documento oficial que emita la autoridad migratoria, prorrogando al importador del vehículo, su estancia en el país.
Another poster, Robert, says that you need to renew and tells the story of two people who were charged against their credit cards for not having renewed the import permit and that renewal can and should be done at an office of Banjercito in the DF. The Aduana’s website also states the following:
“Con el fin de que no se hagan efectivas las garantías otorgadas en los términos antes mencionados, si obtuviste prórroga a tu calidad migratoria, deberás presentar personalmente, en cualquiera de las 48 aduanas del país, un escrito (en formato libre) en el cual avises de tu prórroga, dentro de los diez días hábiles siguientes a aquél en que te la hayan otorgado; deberás anexar copia de la misma, así como de la solicitud de importación temporal del vehículo; también puedes enviarlo por mensajería, al siguiente domicilio:
Administración General de Aduanas
Administración Central de Planeación Aduanera
Av. Hidalgo No. 77, Módulo IV, primer piso
Col. Guerrero, Delegación Cuauhtémoc
Código Postal 06300, México, D.F.” Here lies the SURPRISE for those of us who have thought all along that other than keeping our FM3 current we were home free! It says that to keep from being charged the bond for not returning the vehicle on time, you must advise the Customs of the extension of your immigration status. It states that within 10 working days of your FM3 extension, you must personally submit a letter that mentions the extension along with a copy of the prórroga and a copy of the vehicle import permit. Or you can send it by messenger service to the address in the DF. Now I’ve never had a problem but this clearly shows that you are required to let Aduana know of your status in order to keep from being billed for non-return of the vehicle. So if anyone does have a problem this may be the reason why. The last line of Jennifer’s quote says clearly: “Los vehículos a que se refiere este inciso, deberán cumplir con los requisitos que señale el Reglamento.” In other words you must follow the regulations.

Robert

Oct 16, 2002, 7:56 AM

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: The experience of many as reported on this board is that the rule for notifying Aduana is not uniformly enforced. It appears that those of us who have had our permits for 2 or 3 years seem to be overlooked while those with newer permits are being hit if they fail to notify Aduana when renewing their FM3s. I have renewed mine twice without notifying Aduana and without being hit, but others have reported problems. Next time I renew, I plan to notify Aduana.Rolly, the problem related more to not informing the Banjercito. The Aduana has nothing to do with car permits. True, at the border, they are in the same building, but this is not the case within the rest of the country. While in Acapulco, I talked with someone who worked at the Banjercito there, and they confirmed what you just said, they are enforcing the newer permits.

Rolly

Oct 16, 2002, 11:48 AM

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Banjercito nor Aduana

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Hole Roberto,Thanks for the correction. I knew that, but I seem to have a block on Banjercito -- perhaps because I have trouble pronouncing it, or just don't like the whole idea. :-)

Doug

Oct 16, 2002, 1:44 PM

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: : The experience of many as reported on this board is that the rule for notifying Aduana is not uniformly enforced. It appears that those of us who have had our permits for 2 or 3 years seem to be overlooked while those with newer permits are being hit if they fail to notify Aduana when renewing their FM3s. I have renewed mine twice without notifying Aduana and without being hit, but others have reported problems. Next time I renew, I plan to notify Aduana.: Rolly, the problem related more to not informing the Banjercito. The Aduana has nothing to do with car permits. True, at the border, they are in the same building, but this is not the case within the rest of the country. While in Acapulco, I talked with someone who worked at the Banjercito there, and they confirmed what you just said, they are enforcing the newer permits.
Do you know where I would inform the proper authorities in the P.V. area???

Pike

Oct 16, 2002, 1:57 PM

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: Hole Roberto,: Thanks for the correction. I knew that, but I seem to have a block on Banjercito -- perhaps because I have trouble pronouncing it, or just don't like the whole idea. :-XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXRolly, help me out. The copy of the law that I have states "si obtuviste prorroga de tu calidad migratoria, deberas presentar personalmente, en cualquiera de las 48 aduanas del pais, un escrito en el cual avises de tu prorroga" etc.,etc. Like you I have been coming and going on my car permit for the last 5 years without any problem whatsoever but have been told that they are cracking down on that now. When they say "aduanas" does that mean Banjercito?? Or does that mean the Aduana??

Rolly

Oct 16, 2002, 3:50 PM

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Beats me, I'm lost too...nonsg

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Pike

Oct 16, 2002, 5:47 PM

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Beats me, I'm lost too...nonsg

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: Where's Jennifer Rose when we need her??

brad

Oct 16, 2002, 9:22 PM

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"aduanas" is the Aduana. Banjercito is not the Aduana. Autos are imported under customs law and Banjercito collects the payments and issues the paperwork for the car import permits. It is not the aduana nor does it have any judicial powers. It has the same role of collecting fees for immigration.

brad

Oct 16, 2002, 9:27 PM

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according to the law, only the Fiscal Police can impound vehicles which have expired import permits. They work for the Aduana. That means that legally the Federal Highway cops or any other police have no right to confiscate your car for an expired import permit.

Robert

Oct 17, 2002, 7:59 AM

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Banjercito is different from the Aduana. Like I said earlier, at the border they are often in the same facility, but they are two separate entities.The Banjercito handles all car permits, both transfers and renewals. For instance for my FM3, I go to the immigration department which is part of Aduana, but for my car permit they sent me about a mile away to a Banjercito facility here in D.F., where they took less than 10 minutes to make the change on my car permit from FMT to FM3.Unlike at the border, I was asked for my driver's license at the Banjercito facility. 
: : Hole Roberto,: : Thanks for the correction. I knew that, but I seem to have a block on Banjercito -- perhaps because I have trouble pronouncing it, or just don't like the whole idea. :-: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX: Rolly, help me out. The copy of the law that I have states "si obtuviste prorroga de tu calidad migratoria, deberas presentar personalmente, en cualquiera de las 48 aduanas del pais, un escrito en el cual avises de tu prorroga" etc.,etc. Like you I have been coming and going on my car permit for the last 5 years without any problem whatsoever but have been told that they are cracking down on that now. When they say "aduanas" does that mean Banjercito?? Or does that mean the Aduana??

Pike

Oct 17, 2002, 9:37 AM

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: Banjercito is different from the Aduana. Like I said earlier, at the border they are often in the same facility, but they are two separate entities.: The Banjercito handles all car permits, both transfers and renewals. For instance for my FM3, I go to the immigration department which is part of Aduana, but for my car permit they sent me about a mile away to a Banjercito facility here in D.F., where they took less than 10 minutes to make the change on my car permit from FMT to FM3.: Unlike at the border, I was asked for my driver's license at the Banjercito facility. :
: : : Hole Roberto,: : : Thanks for the correction. I knew that, but I seem to have a block on Banjercito -- perhaps because I have trouble pronouncing it, or just don't like the whole idea. :-: : XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX: : Rolly, help me out. The copy of the law that I have states "si obtuviste prorroga de tu calidad migratoria, deberas presentar personalmente, en cualquiera de las 48 aduanas del pais, un escrito en el cual avises de tu prorroga" etc.,etc. Like you I have been coming and going on my car permit for the last 5 years without any problem whatsoever but have been told that they are cracking down on that now. When they say "aduanas" does that mean Banjercito?? Or does that mean the Aduana??XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXI was in Tijuana on business early this morning and in order to try to get some definitive information on this subject of car permit extensions along with FM3 renewals I stopped at Banjercito at the San Ysidro - Tijuana border. I explained the situation to them and they informed me that they had nothing to do with that and sent me to the Aduana's office in the same complex.
I explained the situation to the aduana and he said that within 10 working days of being granted an extension of my FM3 I should take a letter notifying the Aduanera of the extension along with a copy of the FM3 extension and a copy of the original car permit to the Aduana office in the locale where the FM3 extension was granted. This letter should be in duplicate and the copy should be stamped with the seal of the Aduana and kept with the car permit.
Assuming this information is correct, it will hopefully clear up some of the misconceptions some of us were under.

Rolly

Oct 17, 2002, 9:45 AM

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This gets more confusing by the minute...nomsg

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: : Banjercito is different from the Aduana. Like I said earlier, at the border they are often in the same facility, but they are two separate entities.: : The Banjercito handles all car permits, both transfers and renewals. For instance for my FM3, I go to the immigration department which is part of Aduana, but for my car permit they sent me about a mile away to a Banjercito facility here in D.F., where they took less than 10 minutes to make the change on my car permit from FMT to FM3.: : Unlike at the border, I was asked for my driver's license at the Banjercito facility. : :
: : : : Hole Roberto,: : : : Thanks for the correction. I knew that, but I seem to have a block on Banjercito -- perhaps because I have trouble pronouncing it, or just don't like the whole idea. :-: : : XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX: : : Rolly, help me out. The copy of the law that I have states "si obtuviste prorroga de tu calidad migratoria, deberas presentar personalmente, en cualquiera de las 48 aduanas del pais, un escrito en el cual avises de tu prorroga" etc.,etc. Like you I have been coming and going on my car permit for the last 5 years without any problem whatsoever but have been told that they are cracking down on that now. When they say "aduanas" does that mean Banjercito?? Or does that mean the Aduana??: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX: I was in Tijuana on business early this morning and in order to try to get some definitive information on this subject of car permit extensions along with FM3 renewals I stopped at Banjercito at the San Ysidro - Tijuana border. I explained the situation to them and they informed me that they had nothing to do with that and sent me to the Aduana's office in the same complex.
: I explained the situation to the aduana and he said that within 10 working days of being granted an extension of my FM3 I should take a letter notifying the Aduanera of the extension along with a copy of the FM3 extension and a copy of the original car permit to the Aduana office in the locale where the FM3 extension was granted. This letter should be in duplicate and the copy should be stamped with the seal of the Aduana and kept with the car permit.
: Assuming this information is correct, it will hopefully clear up some of the misconceptions some of us were under.

Pike

Oct 17, 2002, 10:05 AM

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This gets more confusing by the minute...nomsg

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: : : Banjercito is different from the Aduana. Like I said earlier, at the border they are often in the same facility, but they are two separate entities.: : : The Banjercito handles all car permits, both transfers and renewals. For instance for my FM3, I go to the immigration department which is part of Aduana, but for my car permit they sent me about a mile away to a Banjercito facility here in D.F., where they took less than 10 minutes to make the change on my car permit from FMT to FM3.: : : Unlike at the border, I was asked for my driver's license at the Banjercito facility. : : :
: : : : : Hole Roberto,: : : : : Thanks for the correction. I knew that, but I seem to have a block on Banjercito -- perhaps because I have trouble pronouncing it, or just don't like the whole idea. :-: : : : XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX: : : : Rolly, help me out. The copy of the law that I have states "si obtuviste prorroga de tu calidad migratoria, deberas presentar personalmente, en cualquiera de las 48 aduanas del pais, un escrito en el cual avises de tu prorroga" etc.,etc. Like you I have been coming and going on my car permit for the last 5 years without any problem whatsoever but have been told that they are cracking down on that now. When they say "aduanas" does that mean Banjercito?? Or does that mean the Aduana??: : XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX: : I was in Tijuana on business early this morning and in order to try to get some definitive information on this subject of car permit extensions along with FM3 renewals I stopped at Banjercito at the San Ysidro - Tijuana border. I explained the situation to them and they informed me that they had nothing to do with that and sent me to the Aduana's office in the same complex.
: : I explained the situation to the aduana and he said that within 10 working days of being granted an extension of my FM3 I should take a letter notifying the Aduanera of the extension along with a copy of the FM3 extension and a copy of the original car permit to the Aduana office in the locale where the FM3 extension was granted. This letter should be in duplicate and the copy should be stamped with the seal of the Aduana and kept with the car permit.
: : Assuming this information is correct, it will hopefully clear up some of the misconceptions some of us were under.
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXxI tend to agree Rolly. I'm renewing next week in Mazatlan and I'll let you know. nmsg

brad

Oct 17, 2002, 1:26 PM

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Immigration is not part of Aduana (Customs). These kind of statements only confuse people more. They are under different branches of the government. Immigration is under Gobernación and Aduana is under Hacienda. : For instance for my FM3, I go to the immigration department which is part of Aduana,

Robert

Oct 18, 2002, 7:21 AM

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Aduana has nothing to do with it, I just talked to the guys here in D.F., and they told me Banjercito handles the car permits. At the border, I know everyone is in the same facility.