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Blackjack Davie

Sep 9, 2005, 2:02 PM

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There is much in the news about the Mexican Army crossing the border to help with victims of Katrina. They are bringing mobile kitchens with the capability of feeding seven thousand people a day and water purification equipment. This sounds like a good thing to me but I would like to get others take on it. It was pointed out that this is the first time that they have crossed the Rio Grande (Bravo) since 1846.

I perceive that there is more than a little irony in this story. A few years ago, I was in Guanajuato sitting at an outdoor cafe, with a gentleman who had befriended me, when he raised the issue of "illegal Immigration." He calmly and politely informed me that the idea was completely preposterous since the US had stolen some fifty one percent of his country and therefore the people living across the border were the real illegals. I wish I were in Gto. now so I could discuss this event with him and I am sure that, while he might support the idea, he would also say something like, "don't you see that the Mexican Army is now a guest in their own country." A very interesting fellow.

Marta R

Sep 9, 2005, 2:06 PM

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The last I heard, the US was refusing aid from any foreign country, of any sort. I hope my information is out of date.

Marta

Marlene


Sep 9, 2005, 2:32 PM

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Not true. Both Canada and Mexico are physically helping out and probably other nations as well.

Carron

Sep 9, 2005, 2:59 PM

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200 Mexican troops proudly marched into San Antonio, Texas this morning with lots of pride and relief equipment. They were welcomed with the waving of Mexican flags and cries of "bienvenidos" as they arrived. There was an article with photos in the Houston Chronicle.

San Antonio is believed to be the most Hispanic city in the US, with more than 500,000 Mexican Americans out of a total population of about 1.2 million.

Marta R

Sep 9, 2005, 3:15 PM

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San Antonio was flooded too? Who would have thunk?

Apparently only the Texas and Mexican media is covering this -- a Google search turned up only one news story, on MSNBC (which won't allow URL links), about a Mexican Navy ship off the coast of New Orleans.

Marta


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RickS


Sep 9, 2005, 3:39 PM

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"Apparently only the Texas and Mexican media is covering this..."

Nope. It has been covered here in Colorado for a couple of days. Also I heard it on NPR yesterday too.



johanson


Sep 9, 2005, 4:10 PM

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Someone wrote only the Texas and Mexican press is covering it. It made world news. I saw it in Seattle on both CNN and I believe CBC

jerezano

Sep 9, 2005, 5:12 PM

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Hello,

The Mexican Navy ship at New Orleans is a small aircraft carrier loaded with helicopters (50?) and rescue teams. I forget its name.

Adios. jerezano.

thriftqueen

Sep 9, 2005, 5:30 PM

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Doesn't anyone read our own daily Mexico Connect News? It was reported there a couple of days ago before the US National news wire picked it up. Today's Mexico Connect had a tie-in to the Houston Chronicle with a nice write up and photo.

patricio_lintz


Sep 9, 2005, 7:28 PM

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It's on CNN with pix.

Don


Sep 9, 2005, 8:52 PM

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I think it is great move by the U.S. government allowing Mexico to help. This will help combat the bad publicity that Mexicans are getting about the illegals in states like Arizona and New Mexico.

Carron

Sep 10, 2005, 5:45 AM

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No, San Antonio was not flooded nor in any way affected by Katrina other than to be the welcoming recipient of many New Orleans refugees. Several Texas cities are innundated with victims of the hurricane.

Miguel Palomares


Sep 10, 2005, 7:33 AM

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Your revolutionary hero here was absolutely tickled at seeing photos of el ejercito mexicano tooling up Interstate 35. Really. It gave me first the goose, and then the bumps. I loved it.

Regarding BlackJack's Guanajuato buddy, this raggedy refrain of "it used to be our land" is patently silly. Borders have been changing around the world due to one thing or another, usually violence, since the dawn of time, and it will always be so. We are what we are.

Why doesn't Mexico return Tzintzuntzan to the Tarascans? Why doesn't the U.S. give the East Coast back to the English? I mean, it is theirs, is it not?
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Bubba

Sep 10, 2005, 8:47 AM

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Better still; why don't we give New Orleans back to the French and tell them we feel guilty about the rip- off purchase price.


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HHERRINGTON


Sep 10, 2005, 9:42 AM

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"don't you see that the Mexican Army is now a guest in their own country."

I suspect that the Indians that originally occupied the land and were destroyed by the Spanish, Mexican, and US deseases and armies might say why don't all of you go back to Europe.
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gpk

Sep 10, 2005, 10:53 AM

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"this raggedy refrain of "it used to be our land" is patently silly"

Obviously there have always been imperialistic countries/city states/roving hordes, etc. It is the hypocrisy of the way US history is taught that brings out the Mexican in me. (Yes, every nation does this, too, but the US always holds itself out as an example to the whole world.) What would be wrong if the US actually admitted this "mistake" (i.e. that "manifest destiny" was the true cause of the land grab)--which is somewhat correctable by allowing Mexicans to work in the US?

Papirex


Sep 10, 2005, 11:10 AM

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Many countries have, or are sending aid to New Orleans. The first 45-member search and rescue team to arrive in New Orleans was from Victoria, British Columbia, Canada. They arrived and were active before any American team did. One of the African countries is sending aid, and NATO has released some of their assets to be sent to New Orleans also. Certainly The United states is a country wealthy enough to produce everything needed eventually, but in a disaster like this, time is of the essence.

It is nice to see that after all the aid missions that The United States has sent to many countries in the world, the world is reciprocating. I watched an interview of the Canadian Ambassador to The United States last night. When asked about the aid Canada was sending to The US, he answered very succinctly, “Our neighbor is in trouble.”

Here in Cuernavaca we subscribe to a premium channel package on cable TV. Among the premium channels we receive CNN World news, BBC World news, Fox “news”, all in English, and CNN World news in Spanish. All of these programs have given extensive coverage to the New Orleans tragedy. In addition, all of the regular Mexican news programs have had good coverage of the story.

There were a couple of stories about the hurricane on Mexconnects home page too. Another excellent source of news in your native language is Newslink. http://newslink.org/ It has links to newspapers in most of the countries in the world, The United States, Canada, Latin America, Australia, Africa, Europe, Asia etc. Foreign papers will usually be in the language of the country where they are published, Spanish, French, German, etc.

The Newslink site seems to have more extensive listings for The US than for other countries. If you are an American, you will probably be able to read a newspaper from, or near, your original hometown. I regularly read papers from Anchorage and Fairbanks, Alaska, and Napa and Chico, California. None of those places are large cities.

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patricio_lintz


Sep 10, 2005, 4:23 PM

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Tambien, Alaska, Seward's Ice-box, to the Russians.

salsagoth54

Sep 10, 2005, 10:52 PM

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Anybody see the comedy here? The Mexican army can't even control border town violence in their own country, so they might as well be food servers. I wonder if this is a new way of sneaking into U.S.A.-one of the few things Mexicans seem to know how to do well!

Marlene


Sep 10, 2005, 11:06 PM

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Were you trying to be humorous?


(This post was edited by Marlene on Sep 10, 2005, 11:10 PM)

kirkswig


Sep 11, 2005, 4:09 AM

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If we were to give New Orleans back to the French, wouldn't we also be obliged to give Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Kansas, Wyoming, Iowa, Colorado, Kansas, Missouri, New Mexico, Texas, and Oklahoma back to the French too?

Oh wait, they never really owned those states. Native Americans did.

To me, this is the most foul act our nation has ever committed, short of the war on drugs of course. We bought land the French never really owned, without ever consulting the rightful owners, and then proceeded to exploit the resulting conceit as a moral imperitive enabling us to decimate whole populations of Native Americans to rid them from "our" land.

It's no wonder I'm a radical. My country has spent so much money to see that I be radicalized!

(is radicalized even a word?)

To boldly go where no wig has gone before.

gpk

Sep 11, 2005, 8:19 AM

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Even if you are joking this type of stupidity is not funny.

Bubba

Sep 11, 2005, 8:45 AM

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I thought Kirkswig's remarks to be not only amusing but quite insightful. But then, I love irony.

On this planet to the winner go the spoils. If I steal your land and then someone else steals from me the land I stole from you then I have the right to be pissed but not self-righteous. I suppose I can take pleasure in the certain fact that some day someone else will steal your land that I stole from the SOB who stole it from me.

HHERRINGTON


Sep 11, 2005, 8:47 AM

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Bravo Bubba!
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jennifer rose

Sep 11, 2005, 8:57 AM

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