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M.J.

Jun 29, 2005, 5:33 AM

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A month into my year-long lease I realize I don't like the place I've rented and what's more, I have serious doubts about whether this move to Mexico was a wise choice.

What experiences have people had getting out of a lease?

I rented the place from a very nice, Mexican family-run real estate firm that handles the property for the Mexican owner.

I put down a double deposit because I knew no one here who could act as fiador.

I'm going back to the states for a couple of weeks to talk this over with friends and reflect on whether I should stay in Mexico. In any case, I am not happy in this house, which is in a far too noisy part of town, with buses going right by my window. Funny how I didn't notice that when I rented it. But as the man said after he jumped into the cactus patch, "It seemed like the right thing to do at the time."

Please advise. Thanks.



gpk

Jun 29, 2005, 11:35 AM

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If you leave the country I doubt they will come after you. Do you feel you have a right to your deposit back? I should hope not.


Esteban

Jun 29, 2005, 11:40 AM

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You hardly ever hear of a person who leaves Mexico. I mean, I have known a few but have never known the reasons. I'd be very interested in hearing a more detailed account of your reasons for leaving. Mexico is not for everyone, that's a fact.

Thanks,
Esteban


Marlene


Jun 29, 2005, 1:16 PM

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What experiences have people had getting out of a lease?


I have seen a legal lease here in Sinaloa. It is 3 years in duration and allows for the tenant to terminate it with a one month notice. While quite lengthy, the lease appears to be for the tenants protection. Take your written agreement to a lawyer who works in this area and have him check it over. Otherwise give a sufficient notice and make sure your bills against the rental are all paid and things should be fine. The biggest worry of landlords is that large phone and other utility bills will be left owing against the property. Also, when a tenant vacates it gives the owner opportunity to charge a larger rent to a new tenant, though your tenancy has been rather short.

Good luck with your decision about life in Mexico, though I think it takes longer than a month to adjust. I too hope you will share some of the things with the forum that may attribute to your decision to leave. Others contemplating a move here will benefit from hearing different viewpoints.


M.J.

Jun 29, 2005, 3:39 PM

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Re: [Marlene] breaking a lease

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On the lease, oh that mine were as generous to the tenant as the one in Sinaloa, which sounds to me like a rental agreement, not a lease. My lease requires me to not only forfeit my deposit, which is two months rent of $750 per month, but also pay two months rent in penalty! I must have been -- no, I was -- dreaming when I signed it. Something about plunking myself down somewhere and getting established quick.

Which brings me to Esteban's thoughtful suggestion that I share my reasons for not giving Mexico a longer trial. Essentially, I miss friends and family and the place I come from far more than I had expected.

There is also the startling discovery that the job I was so eager to give up had, in fact, become a larger part of my life than I thought because it gave me structure. So there's a void. Pretty typical retirement problem ("About Schmidt"); I guess I didn't think I was typical. Surprise! That issue will continue, but I think I can better invent a new structure in the context of friends and familiar surroundings. Here I feel too isolated. (I am divorced, with two grown children.)

Under that arise some typical irritations of life in Mexico.

Having traveled extensively -- I first visited Mexico in 1959 and I lived in Latin America and Europe for nearly ten years and speak good Spanish -- I thought this would be an pretty easy transition, especially with all the great information that circulates in these forums. I examined this move for some months before making it. I love the Mexican people, and in fact that may have that blinded me a little to my own needs at this stage in life. I have found that in my sixties I have little tolerance for the traffic (street repair had diverted the heavy traffic by my house at the time I rented it -- caveat emptor!), the noise, the dirt, and the barking dog that makes my beautiful rooftop terrace nearly useless at the time I want to be there (twilight).

There is a certain ironic justice in this, since when I was a teenager in Puerto Rico I simply couldn't understand why my Norwegian stepmother got so ticked off about the dirt and noise coming in the open windows and the sand my pals and I tracked in from the beach.

Given the rapid growth of every Mexican locale where gringos are gathering, I would expect similar conditions at other places that offer the gringo-oriented services and gringo companionship that drew me here. Mexico is changing very, very rapidly, producing rising prices and diminishing tranquility. (And better services.) Certainly I found that to be true in booming Puerto Vallarta and north up to San Pancho, where I had looked originally. I expect that one can buy one's way out of the dirt and noise with enough money (fancy house in a gated community and full-time help), but I don't have the money and that's never been my style.

So I'm going back to where I come from for a couple of weeks to think things over. If I do pull up stakes and go home I will have lost a bundle of money (moving expenses plus rent deposit plus appliances), and I have thought about "sticking it out" for the year for that reason and as a matter of principle. But there is a certain virtue in being willing to admit you screwed up and throwing in the towel. Not that I feel very virtuous!

As for me leaving the landlord holding the bag, I don't see that. I'll be walking away from $1,500 USD, a full tank of gas and some beautiful curtains that cost me $270. There's no phone in this place, and, in fact, the landlord owes me for my payment of two months electricity and water billed to the house before I moved in.

I really don't like fleeing the scene like a thief in the night, but I'm afraid if I discuss it with the real estate agency I'll be threatened with that two months' rent penalty (on top of the loss of the deposit.) Then I will really be in it deep. I can hear the cops at the door.

All in all, a cautionary tale, to be sure.

Jesus. This sound like an AA talk, and I don't even have any addictions. Is there a support group for compulsive movers?


Bear

Jun 29, 2005, 4:09 PM

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Well spoken, M. J. You cant make yourself like it if you dont. Go on home to your friends and family.
Good trip.


Esteban

Jun 29, 2005, 5:23 PM

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I really do appreciate your response. It's so rare that someone actually posts the reasons. I've experienced some of the things of which you speak although they haven't affected me like they have you. Someone should write a book with a collection of anecdotes about "why I went to Mexico and then came back".


sandykayak


Jun 30, 2005, 8:53 AM

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<<Someone should write a book with a collection of anecdotes about "why I went to Mexico and then came back". >>

What I like is the number of authors of "How to retire in Mexico" have moved back to the US.

I can think of at least 3.
Sandy Kramer
Miami, Fla & El Parque


sandykayak


Jun 30, 2005, 9:06 AM

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Merrill (and anyone else), being single ain't easy. For that reason, I formed the Chapala Lakeside Singles so we can offer each other help and support.

We have over 60 subscribers now and are not limited to the Chapala area. That was an afterthought as we can make friends in other areas and either visit or travel together.

Anyone interested can email me at sandykayak@yahoo.com.
Sandy Kramer
Miami, Fla & El Parque


Ed and Fran

Jun 30, 2005, 9:23 AM

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What I like is the number of authors of "How to retire in Mexico" have moved back to the US.



They made enough money that they no longer needed to find a cheap place to retire............... ;-)


Regards

E(&F)


Marta R

Jun 30, 2005, 10:56 AM

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Thanks for posting this, MJ. Those of us who haven't made the move yet need this kind of information, just to balance the enthusiasm we also see (and believe) in these fora.

We recently spent two weeks in Morelia, one in el centro and the other near Santa Maria. I loved el centro madly, the convenience of being within an easy walk of downtown, the narrow streets, the buildings, the businesses, the neighbors, the music ... the whole thing. I was reluctant to leave at the end of the week, but after we moved, I also thought about the smog and dirt (my sandals turned black in two days), and the day-time traffic, and the canine chorus that disturbed the quiet of each night (if I ever find that *^!#@$$!! little dog ringleader, and it's a dark night, in an out-of-the-way place ...)

It's also good to be reminded that when we move, we are transforming ourselves as much as we are transplanting ourselves -- including how we feel about our daily lives, jobs, friends, etc.

We're still planning the move, but not to the center of any town, big or small. Because of your post, I'm also thinking long and hard about what I'll do to fill my post-retirement days, and how I can satisfy that need to work and to keep learning.

I hope you find a place, either north or south of the border, that feels like home.

Marta


raferguson


Jun 30, 2005, 1:26 PM

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Thanks for posting your report. I was in a somewhat similar situation a few years ago, I had retired early, knew Mexico well and liked it, and spoke good Spanish. We went down to San Miguel de Allende for a month, and rented an apartment while I took a class. At the end of the month we agreed that we did not want to retire in Mexico. I don't think that there was any one reason that we decided not to go to Mexico, cleanliness and noise may have played a part, as did health care and being far from family. It was also true that we live in a decent house in a very nice town, so easier to go home to the USA in that case.

I would say that the retirement transition was not an especially easy one, at least for me, and I did not move when I retired. I think that it took me about two years to stop thinking about looking for a job. Part of your situation may be adjusting to retirement. I have heard that when your spouse dies you should make no major life decisions for a year. Maybe that applies also to retirement.

Richard


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M.J.

Jun 30, 2005, 2:02 PM

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Thanks to all for your generous and authetic responses.

I suspect the key in my case is as Richard suggests: retirement contains within it some unsettling stuff.

To both retire and move to a foreign country, alone, turned out to be a rough voyage of self-discovery for this delusional guy who likes to think he can do as he wishes.

Onward!


trailrunner

Jun 30, 2005, 3:35 PM

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I vote for giving it more time.

Retiring is huge, moving to a different country is huge, doing all that alone is huge-er!

I hear a bit of lonliness in your post and think if you got settled in here and made some new friends and developed a social life that some of the house issues will move to the background. Get earplugs and tune out the dog and enjoy your roof.

You have a substantial investment in your house and I think you should take more time to decide if you really want to move back to the US. Something made you want to move here.

Your friends will probably try to influence you to move back, they miss you. Have them come and visit you here and then talk about it. You'll probably end up with a houseful of roommates.


M.J.

Jun 30, 2005, 5:15 PM

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Give Mexico more time -- good suggestion. Especially in the context of giving retirement itself more time. (God we gringos love work!) Will contemplate both with NOB friends.

I've been thinking that the problem is this city, which is too damned far from the ocean that I've lived around for 20 years, and this house, which is in a noisy part of this city.

Could be what I need to do is make peace with my landlord (I've mentally written off the money, so the hell with it; lessons don't come cheap), put my stuff in storage here and go spend a month in a seaside city and see how it goes. When I was a kid in Puerto Rico, the ocean really did the trick for me. Maybe it will again.

This forum discussion has been very helpful.

Thanks again, folks.


not_ally

Jun 30, 2005, 7:09 PM

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Let us know how it goes, MJ. You seem like a nice person who deserves to find the good life, whatever that is.
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"The first question I ask myself when something doesn't seem to be beautiful is why do I think it's not beautiful. And very shortly I discover there is no reason." John Cage


M.J.

Jun 30, 2005, 7:26 PM

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The good life should be between my ears!


(This post was edited by M.J. on Jun 30, 2005, 7:28 PM)


trailrunner

Jun 30, 2005, 7:49 PM

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Aw, you're being hard on yourself.

Give it another chance.

Keep us posted on your findings, I'm not sure this is the end-all, be-all place to live in Mexico either.


VSOP

Jun 30, 2005, 8:13 PM

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While I agree, M.J., about the absolute importance of attitude, why confine yourself to a steady diet of lemonade if you really prefer watermelon?

Would you mind sharing a couple of further bits of info -- in what city did you lease and are you over or under 60? I am curious because I still haven't settled on when to retire and whether or not to retire to Mexico full-time or to just visit when I get the urge. When I returned home from my last visit, the first two things that struck me about being back in the U.S. were the utter sweetness of litter-and-dust-free-streets and the blessed peace and quiet that accompany noise pollution laws.

Thanks in advance and know that I wish you well in whatever you decide.


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VSOP

Jun 30, 2005, 8:40 PM

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I also agree with Trailrunner in that since you have already made a huge commitment, take advantage of it. You've got a lot going on right now, being new to retirement. In my many moves, I never felt at home in a new place until I got over being homesick for whatever it was I loved about the old place.


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trailrunner

Jul 1, 2005, 6:17 AM

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I'm also a beach rat and am always thinking of moving to the beach. I'm interested in knowing if you find a beach town that you like that doesn't turn into a sauna for 6 months of the year. Anybody else know of a beach area that doesn't heat up unbearably? I've spent time in many of them and can't think of any. . .

In terms of the obnoxious roof dog. . .stop at the carneceria and buy a bag of bones, when you want to enjoy your terrace just lob a good juicy one over to Killer. Check with the family first. Call it Tranquilo Seguro.


Brian

Jul 1, 2005, 6:20 AM

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The stretch of coastline between Tijuana and Ensenada B.C. meets your requirement for year-round temperate climate. We lived there for five years before moving inland to San Miguel de Allende. I think that folks who retire from the USA and move to Baja California have a much easier transition to make since the lifestyle is not that drastically different, many locals are bi-lingual, access to resources in the States is convenient (shopping, medical etc). Only thing I didn't like was the long wait time to cross the border and, of course, the inseguridad that is endemic to the US-Mexico border.

saludos

Brian




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alex .

Jul 1, 2005, 7:49 AM

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Exactly, Tijuana has the same climate as San Diego, for obvious reasons.
Alex


M.J.

Jul 1, 2005, 8:09 AM

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I'm thinking about renting a small place in Manzanillo in August, probably the most steam-bath-like month of the year, to see if I can handle it. I'm a scuba diver and it looks like great diving and Manzanillo appears, so far, to be blessedly out of the way of the tsunami of invading realtors and second home buyers from California and cruise ships and high prices and... and..and.... (Poor Vallarta.)

Since everyone has advised me that both retirement and Mexico require adjustment time, I'm sort of wondering if maybe I could adjust to the Manzanillo climate. I'm skinny and do better with heat than with cold, although I'm uncomfortable with high humidity. Maybe I can get comfortable with it by spending lots of time in the water. Think Hawaiian. I remember coming up from a dive in Maui once and a bunch of Hawaian guys had swum out half a mile and were floating around having lunch!

But the main thing is, this time around the plan would be to go s-l-o-w. There it is, folks, the moral of the story.

Ensenada won't work for me. Way too close to TJ, but thanks for the suggestion.

All this discussion has been just great for clearing out, or at least rearranging, the rubble in my head. Un million de gracias.


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VSOP

Jul 1, 2005, 8:16 AM

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M.J., as stated in my PM, you help many of us more than you can know by your honest posting and appraisal of your situation. I have these thoughts:

Why not use your current residence as a base to explore other areas of Mexico? Consider it the springboard for the next phase of your life. Perhaps, if your lease doesn't prevent it, you could offer your place as an exchange.

Recently, I passed up the house-sitting opportunity of a lifetime because I could see that it might become a logistical nightmare for me, with responsibilities here, responsibilities there. If you are not in that position, and have the freedom to come and go at will, as in returning to visit your friends in USA, etc., why not take advantage of it?

Too often in life, the old axiom holds true that we fail to see the doors that are opening for us. By all means, go to an AA meeting, even if you're not an alcoholic. Don't tell them! They'll probably give you a bunch of hugs. Which maybe is all you need right now. Just to connect with some real live human beings, some of whom may be in the same situation.

Please let us all know how your journey goes. Remember that the light at the end of the tunnel is NOT an oncoming train.


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