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mparrino

May 19, 2005, 12:43 PM

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I have developed a ridiculous block when it comes to remembering direct/indirect object pronouns. Can anyone help? Thanks.
Marcia



raferguson


May 19, 2005, 9:10 PM

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This web site seems helpful

http://spanish.allinfo-about.com/...ns/pronounindex.html

Richard


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bdlngton

May 19, 2005, 9:47 PM

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I'm not sure exactly what you are having problems with concerning direct and indirect object pronouns, but here is a brief explanation of the difference between them:
Direct objects answer the questions Whom? or What? (receives the action of the verb.) Indirect object pronouns are me, te, lo/la, nos, los/las.

Indirect objects answer the question To whom? or For whom? the action is done. The indirect is almost always a person. The indirect receives the benefit or the fallout of the action without having the action happen to them directly. Indirect object pronouns are me, te, le, nos, les.

When using double object pronouns remember "indirect before direct, reflexive first of all."

When using an indirect + direct object pronoun combinations, le and les change to se when followed by a direct object pronoun that starts with l (lo, la, los, las.) These are the indirect + direct object pronouns combinations that you can use: me lo, me la, me los, me las; te lo, te la, te los, te las; nos lo, nos la, nos los, nos las; se lo, se la, se los, se las.

I don't know if that is what you are looking for, but I hope it helps.
Susy


mparrino

May 20, 2005, 7:28 AM

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Thanks to you both. I don't have a problem with understanding pronouns and their use, I guess I am just having a problem memorizing them, and was hoping there was maybe some little trick to it that someone knew of. I'll keep trying to get this aging brain to function better :)
Marcia


esperanza

May 20, 2005, 7:50 AM

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Joke from the 70s:

Hippie standing on corner in NYC. Tourist approaches hippie.

Tourist: "Excuse me, can you tell me how to get to Carnegie Hall?"

Hippie: "Practice, man, practice."


Same advice for learning pronouns, unfortunately. I've been trying to think of a mnemonic device--a memory trick--for you, but haven't come up with anything at all.

Practice, man, practice.




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mparrino

May 20, 2005, 8:37 AM

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good joke!
Frustration is when I'm 'practicing' at home to myself, I manage because I'm completely focused.
When I'm out in the field, however, I get confused and find myself doing a little lo-se-le babble, even coming up with non-existent ones (which in Spain is met with a sigh; in Mexico a smile), I end up freezing and my confidence flies out the window.
Fortunately I'll get to practice in Mexico this time around, where I'm always more comfortable.
Marcia


BrentB

May 20, 2005, 6:51 PM

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Speaking of Spain; a lot of Mexican tourists returning from Spain said that the people are rude and shout a lot, much like people from New York City. I didn't find the people like that, but maybe they are more tolerant of obvious grin, I mean Anglos. My friends say that the people were like that even in the Castillian areas of Spain, not just in non-Castillian areas.
How did you find the people?

Brent


mparrino

May 21, 2005, 8:51 AM

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I've spent most of my time in Barcelona where I have a group of good friends, though they are mostly exiled Argentinians. Being from NYC, I understand, though disagree with the 'rude and shout a lot' syndrome. I really didn't find that in Catalonian part of Spain. As for language tolerance, Catalonians get annoyed even with Castillian speakers, let alone Central/South Americans! (New Yorkers are equally impatient with non-English speaking tourists.) Try to make eye contact or smile with a Catalonian, and you'll see just how insular they are. Once you break through the hard nut, they are no different than anyone else. That said, when was the last time you smiled at a Mexican who didn't respond with their beautifully sweet smiles that seem to totally open their hearts to you?
Marcia


raferguson


May 22, 2005, 9:06 PM

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The last time I was in Spain I was there three weeks walking 200 miles to Santiago (northwestern Spain), and mostly hanging out with Spanish pilgrims. I spoke English very little in that time. I certainly did not find Spaniards to shout or be rude. I was also briefly in Barcelona and Madrid, and did not notice that there either. Of course, people in big cities are generally less polite than people in small towns or in the country, no matter where you are.

I would note that my Mexican Spanish vocabulary, phrases, and usage was considered quaint and old fashioned by my new Spanish friends, as if I was from the country, but they reported that they understood me without difficulty. (Since I am discussing Mexican Spanish, this is not off topic) ;-)

Richard


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esperanza

May 22, 2005, 9:43 PM

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Ray, you walked the Camino de Santiago? What a magnificent thing to accomplish. You must have marvelous lifetime memories...how wonderful. Have you written about it somewhere?




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raferguson


May 23, 2005, 3:34 PM

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No, I have never written up a formal trip report. I have a slide show that I have shown to some friends and family members, as well as to the youth group at my church. I did write up an essay of tips for first-time walkers on the Camino to Santiago de Compostella, but that is practical information, not a trip report. I also have compiled the emails that I sent home along the way, sort of a journal in the form of letters home. I could send you what I have written if you were interested. Of course, the important stuff I did not figure out until long after I got home. I wrote up some more personal reflections later, but only a very few people ever saw that, too personal.

It was quite an experience, and I feel very blessed that I was able to do it. My priest had wanted to do it; he and I often talked about it. He was recently diagnosed with a terminal illness, so he will never achieve that in this life.

Richard


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