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robjohn

Apr 30, 2005, 1:24 PM

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Whate towns or cities have the best climate?

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My partner and I are looking to retire in Mexico and would like to know which towns or cities have the best climate. Not real hot but warm. Thank You, Robert



Miguel Palomares


Apr 30, 2005, 2:43 PM

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San Miguel de Allende has your name on it. Weather-wise, culture-wise, everything-wise. Try it on for size.
From Tzurumutaro, Michoacan, "The Village of the Darned."
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The nuts and bolts of moving to Mexico:
http://michaeldickson.blogspot.com/
The dark side of living in Mexico:
http://mexicopeeks.blogspot.com/
Scintillating life in a Mexican pueblo:
http://tzurumutaro.blogspot.com/
http://tzurumutaro2.blogspot.com/


MARIA CUERVA

Apr 30, 2005, 3:38 PM

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You would be very happy in San Miguel de Allende. The weather is optimal, the community is loving,and culturally it offers everything.


abq

Apr 30, 2005, 3:47 PM

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Nasty putdown aside, San Miguel has nice weather. A bit cold in the summer and hot in May. Otherwise great,


Carol Schmidt


Apr 30, 2005, 4:08 PM

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More specifically on San Miguel weather, it has gotten below 32 in December or January a couple of days in the three winters I have experienced here, and it has gotten above 100 a couple of days in April or May in the past four years. More usually it is in the low 90's April and May, maybe 70 at night, and it's around 60 high in the coldest of winter and around 40 at night--and for eight months it is absolutely perfect.

IMO, that is the closest to perfect you will get anyplace--the beaches of Mexico are lovelier in winter but get very hot and muggy in summer. Much of Central Mexico is on a mile-high-plus "high desert" plateau, and so we have cooler, drier weather than the coasts. San Miguel is at 6400 feet. Many cities are even higher.

San Miguel does have a rainy season from June to October and usually a good wind kicks up in late afternoon or early evening and there is a warm shower for an hour at most. Maybe a couple times during the rainy season there will be a spell of several rainy days in a row, and there are occasional rains the rest of the year as well, so the area can get very green and lush.

But perhaps due to global warming, weather patterns seem to be less regular all over the world lately, so there are no guarantees! And remember that few Mexican houses have either central heating or air conditioning, so you will feel both the heat and the cold more. We had to add a propane fireplace-type heater and electric blanket, plus three ceiling fans, to our casa. Most building construction uses very thick concrete walls, which both help and hurt the heating/cooling situation.

Many gringos living in Mexico despise San Miguel because we have 7,000 gringos in a town of 70,000 population within the city limits (about 130,000 in the SMA region). We're as Americanized as the gringo communities of Baja and some other areas. Many wealthy people have discovered us lately, which could change the atmosphere in the near future. Read the Guanajuato/San Miguel forum and my collumn in archives, "Falling...in love with San Miguel," for more information.

Meanwhile, check out other areas as well. "Best climate" is in the eyes of the beholder. I've spent the most time living in Detroit, rulral Michigan, Los Angeles, Phoenix, and the WA state Olympic peninsula, and this is the best for me, closest to the mediterranean climate of Los Angeles, but people certainly swear by other regions and weather. The Ajijic/Lake Chapala region near Guadalajara is another major destination for foreigners moving to Mexico. Read all the forums to see what daily life and community are like in other regions.There's no "one size fits all" for everybody.

Carol Schmidt


gpk

Apr 30, 2005, 4:43 PM

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Despite all the plusses, San Miguel does NOT have the best weather in Mexico. It is way too hot in April/May and way too cold in December/January. I tried it for 3 years and happily left. Many places have more temperate climates. The ones I know include Irapuato, Gto. and Morelia, Mich. Morelia is a real city, and extra beautiful besides. Irapuato is an agricultural city/large town, which I like, but it has no tourist value.


Carron

Apr 30, 2005, 7:12 PM

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Hard to say. We have hot, cold, warm, cool, rainy, dry, ad infinitum. May vary from season to season, from day to day.

Come down and visit for a few weeks to see what we really have. You will probably be overwhelmed with climate options.


raferguson


Apr 30, 2005, 7:23 PM

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Re: [robjohn] What towns or cities have the best climate? - Climate data

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Cuernavaca, the city of eternal spring, is often praised for its climate. I am not a big fan of the city myself. Many of the cities in central Mexico have pleasant climates. Even Mexico City has an average high in the 70s every month of the year. If you choose your elevation, you can choose your temperature.

Some web sites with climate data are listed below. The weatherbase listing seems quite complete, expecially if you click on "All data".

http://www.virtualmex.com/utility.htm

http://www.weatherbase.com

I compared the data for several Mexican cities to the data for my hometown. The Mexican climate was much milder, no surprise.

Richard


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Jerry@Ajijic

Apr 30, 2005, 7:25 PM

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Lake Chapala I think has the best weather in the world. We have been here for 7 years and it has not gone down to freezing and rarely gets real hot in the summer months. Probably less than 10% of the homes have heaters or A/C


Don Moore


Apr 30, 2005, 7:55 PM

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These terms hot, cold, warm, etc. lack specific meaning. To me, it's hot when it's over 75 in the humidity in which I now live.. That would be pretty cool to many folks. I feel cold at below about 20 above, F. Many people would feel cold at 50 or even 60. Depends on a lot of factors. Humidity is a big factor. In Memphis, where I now live, it's colder at a given low and hotter at a given high than in the dry places that I lived for many years.
Don Moore


Carron

Apr 30, 2005, 8:11 PM

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Whatever you climate want, you can find it in Mexico.

I read an interesting post on another travel board concerning the relative coldness of San Cristobal de la Casas, a popular tourist spot in Chiapas. A Canadian said "A temperature of 22 degrees might not seem cold to Canadians because at home that is only the outside temperature and everything else is centrally heated. In San Cristobal, however, where the buildings have no heat at all, if the outside temp is 22, then so is everything inside--the uncarpeted tile floors, the bed linens, the toilet seat."

All a matter of degree!


Miguel Palomares


May 1, 2005, 8:18 AM

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Re: [abq] Whate towns or cities have the best climate?

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Ms. ABQ, I read the notes preceding yours. I don´t see any nasty putdowns. Could you be more specific please? I´m curious. And perhaps I lack perception. Gracias.
From Tzurumutaro, Michoacan, "The Village of the Darned."
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The nuts and bolts of moving to Mexico:
http://michaeldickson.blogspot.com/
The dark side of living in Mexico:
http://mexicopeeks.blogspot.com/
Scintillating life in a Mexican pueblo:
http://tzurumutaro.blogspot.com/
http://tzurumutaro2.blogspot.com/


Miguel Palomares


May 1, 2005, 8:23 AM

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Morelia will pan-fry you on both sides in April and May. And Irapuato is fine if you sashay about with a straw in your mouth, square-dance and wear bib overalls. What´s Spanish for "Aw, shucks, Bubba"?
From Tzurumutaro, Michoacan, "The Village of the Darned."
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The nuts and bolts of moving to Mexico:
http://michaeldickson.blogspot.com/
The dark side of living in Mexico:
http://mexicopeeks.blogspot.com/
Scintillating life in a Mexican pueblo:
http://tzurumutaro.blogspot.com/
http://tzurumutaro2.blogspot.com/

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jennifer rose

May 1, 2005, 8:56 AM

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Amen to that. Morelia has a definitive change of seasons, often fifteen minutes and two kilometers apart. During the April-May hot season, it's not as hot as Guanajuato but it doesn't cool down at night either. It's very cold here for two months out of the here, down to frost on the lawn. If you want "best climate," don't move to Morelia. Did I mention the allergy and smog in Morelia?

Unquestionably, the best year-round climate is Cuernavaca.


Ed and Fran

May 1, 2005, 9:08 AM

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Re: [jennifer rose] Whate towns or cities have the worst climate?

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Can we have a go at "worst" climate?? I could nominate Tuxpan. We probably wouldn't win but we could easily rate an 'honorable mention'.

Yesterday was 35C and gale force winds. We only lost one tarp that we were using to shade the west side of the house. But it kicked the stuffing out of this year's mango crop around here.


Regards

E(&F)


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Papirex


May 1, 2005, 11:38 AM

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There are many things to consider when choosing where to live in Mexico, climate is only one of them. When we chose to live in Cuernavaca, climate was an important consideration, but it was not the only thing that we considered. If you absolutely need to be in a mostly English speaking community, Cuernavaca is not for you. If you want to find a place where you can be on permanent vacation, Cuernavaca is not for you. There are things to do here, archeological sites, etc., but if you don’t know some Spanish, you will be lost when trying to shop, deal with the phone company, electric company, pay your water bill, etc. It is always a surprise when I find an English speaker in a store or restaurant here. If you want to experience a true Mexican city, then Cuernavaca is for you. I never encourage anyone to move here, because I don’t want to be blamed when a newcomer discovers that Mexico really is a Spanish speaking country.

I agree with Richard Ferguson that Cuernavaca is not particularly appealing to a casual visitor. It took us quite a while to learn the streets here, to find our way around town. They didn’t do much city planning 500 years ago. We now know several shortcuts to avoid heavy traffic, etc. There are many wonderful restaurants, including ethnic restaurants, and a German bakery here is my favorite for pastries, and there is good shopping here. There are some hotels that cater to tourists. It seems that a person needs to know the town to find them, or take taxis all the time.

Since we live here, I do of course agree with Jennifer, Cuernavaca does have the best climate in Mexico, it is at an elevation of 5000 feet, in the central highlands of Mexico. Many ex-pats don’t seem to realize that the central highlands here are located from east to west, not from north to south. There are four distinct climate zones in Cuernavaca. Cooler in the north, as that part of the city is on the mountain, definitely warmer in the southern part of the city. If you rent for a while in each part of the town, you can then get a feel to choose your flavor, climate wise. Winters are cool of course, but never anywhere near freezing. Summer days can be warm, rarely in the 90s F. even rarer at 100 F., the low humidity is a blessing. You will never drown in your own sweat. Most of the year here the daytime temps are in the mid to high 70s, nighttime temps are in the low 70s.

Houses are cool at night in the winter for a couple of months. We use one of those electric oil filled radiators for heat in the living room, and another in my wife’s grandmothers bedroom, and a small electric heater in each bathroom, that is all we need here. It reminds me of when I was a kid, very few homes in The US had central heating then. Most families in my home town had a little free standing gas heater in the living room. In winter, family life centered on that little heater, and the radio. The bedroom was always cold when you went to bed in the winter. Here the bedrooms are a little cool, but not cold, we do use a blanket on the bed in the winter, if it is really cool, we use two blankets. We feel no need to use an electric blanket.

I recommend to anyone not to use climate (within limits) as your only standard for choosing where to live in Mexico. You may end up living in dogville, with a great climate.

Rex




"The supreme happiness of life is the conviction that we are loved" - Victor Hugo

(This post was edited by RexC on May 1, 2005, 11:51 AM)


gpk

May 1, 2005, 4:00 PM

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I am not sure what the purpose of palomares' ignorant comment was, but since I have actually lived in the three places I mentioned, San Miguel, Irapuato and Morelia--I think my comment has some value. I am currently spending my time between Irapuato and Morelia--Morelia does have more smog, at least in the centro area, but it is definitely cooler at night in Morelia than in Irapuato (maybe only this year?). I was in San Miguel today--very hot and, as always, dusty. BTW--what town is more suited to straw hats than Patzcuaro?


Miguel Palomares


May 1, 2005, 5:07 PM

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I am not sure what the purpose of palomares' ignorant comment was.


Ignorant indeed! I am flawed, it is certain, but never, ever ignorant. I stand by my guns: It is really hot in Morelia in April and May, and Irapuato is a hick town.

And, yes! We sport our straw hats proudly in Patzcuaro. That is why so many folks come here to see us. Yahoo!



From Tzurumutaro, Michoacan, "The Village of the Darned."
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The nuts and bolts of moving to Mexico:
http://michaeldickson.blogspot.com/
The dark side of living in Mexico:
http://mexicopeeks.blogspot.com/
Scintillating life in a Mexican pueblo:
http://tzurumutaro.blogspot.com/
http://tzurumutaro2.blogspot.com/


gpk

May 2, 2005, 6:53 AM

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I stand by my statement also--ignorant. The initial question was only about climate--the other comments are off point, and a matter of opinion. But so you won't be ignorant in the future with reagrd to Irapuato: Irapuato has a few major international corporate operations including Green Giant and Dannon Yogurt, large national operations such as a major Bimbo plant, we have a Sears, Walmart, Sams and Liverpool (something even Morelia is lacking), and a fast growing population of about 500,000. We are not a tourist city--one of the reasons I like it here. Yes Morelia is hot in April and May--as is most of central Mexico--but the freezes are less harsh than in San Miguel. We have not had a frost in Irapuato in the last 3 years. Patzcuaro is boring, freezing in winter and is also a hick town--just my opinion. P.S. Also too many gringos in Patzcuaro.


abq

May 2, 2005, 7:32 AM

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Somehow I think you can guess the putdown.


esperanza

May 2, 2005, 7:38 AM

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My goodness, when I saw that a new member was posting under the name--well, you figure it out--for a minute I thought Palomares had registered for a second time, under his real name rather than his Mexican pseudonym. Guess I was wrong.




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jennifer rose

May 2, 2005, 7:50 AM

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Palomares' real name is revealed in his tagline and profile.

Folks, let's quick attacking messengers and stay on the message instead. I think we're getting a little too sensitive here, reading something into these messages that just isn't there. "Climate" reflects more than just the weather; it can mean the social climate, the political climate, and even more.


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wyhaines

May 2, 2005, 7:50 AM

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To the original poster, I think the notion of "best" climate depends a great deal on what you are looking for in your climate choice.

Do you want a wet climate, or a dry one? Do you want someplace that can dip below freezing, or even snow, or do you want someplace where a really cold day might be 45 degrees?

What about heat? Are days over 90 degrees just too much to think about, or do you kind of like that kind of heat sometimes? This factors in a bit with whether you want a wet or a dry climate, too.

The variation in climates available in Mexico is immense. If climate is a major consideration for you, let us know specifically what sort of climate you are looking for, and then specific suggestions can be given.


On the issue of Irapuato and whether it is a hick town or now, it hardly seems like an issue to get upset about. I live in Wyoming, 5 miles outside of a town of 250 people, 30 miles from the nearest "big" town (3000 people). It's a hick town in a hick state, but I like it. Hick doesn't equal bad. A lot of my extended family are hicks, but a lot of them are good people, too.

So, if Irapuato is a hick "town" (and with 500k people, I'd call that a city, but then, growing up I called Cheyenne, Wyoming a city, and it has 50k people, so I guess I'm a hick), celebrate it. Enjoy it. And relax in the knowledge that hick really is relative, and one person's hick is another person's sophisticated.


Kirk Haines


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juan david


May 4, 2005, 9:29 AM

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Amen to that Jerry. Let's consider the "big three" factors in retiring in Mexico...or anywhere else for that matter. An ambient climate leads to an active outdoor lifestyle and Lake Chapala certainly offers that. The lake takes the edges of the cooler and hotter seasons. We have lived in the village and now in La Floresta. It's about 3 degrees cooler in our Frac due to trees and grass.
Cost of living is another biggie for retirees. Depending on one's circumstances it's a lot better to not have to count your pennies so closely(or even better not at all) and Mexico is pretty reasonable. Our c.o.l. is about 20% less than where we came from.
Finally(or firstly perhaps) is the ambience you feel every day in the location that you choose. Ambience is hard to define. For us it's people and scenery...and weather too. We have this feeling of well being most days that puts some of the annoying little glitches in there proper perspective. Viva Mexico.
" let sleeping dogs lie"


Bubba

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I wish to thank you all for helping me identify the most marvelous place on the planet in which one may set down roots. Unbeknownst to the rest of you, I have devoted my entire adult life to finding this place. I spent my youth in the rural environs of South Alabama and sought succor in the Haight Ashbury of my adolescence only to find nirvana in the 1970s in that most wonderful place on earth known as being able to wipes one's own ass without the assistance of others as well incapacitated. It occurred to me while reading your defenses of your equally misspent lives that none of you had anything more to say in rationalizing your sorry existence on this insignificant planet than that you were there and, truth be told, you had nothing more to do with that than having been the product of an injection of warm sperm from a soon to be diseased prostate. Do not overestimate your importance.


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