Missing Little Things from Home

Missing Little Things from Home

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Our family are still doing the legwork in preparing a move to mexico (dealing with property, our business, etc). Our family and friend are very supportive but many have asked about possibly missing certain little things that we get at home and probably can't get in Mexico. After thinking about this the only things that I have come up with have been food items, as I love to cook, and during our stay I noticed only two things that I would really miss;

1. Butter (Mexican butter is really awful and the taste is very noticable in every dish)

2. Alberta Beef

I have heard that great Beef can be found in Mexico with some searching, a Meat processing plant that we have here in town says that every 10 minutes they receive orders for truckloads of Alberta Beef to be shipped to Mexico. I will just have to find out where it is going! My husband says he is sure he has noticed restaurants that advertise serving Alberta Beef. The butter thing is probably not so easily dealt with, I might have to have it shipped to me somehow, or do without. All in all I figured if those are the only things that I will really miss (other than family and friends) then it will be an okay trade off with me. I actually look forward to exploring the differences in living in Mexico and if I wanted everything to be exactly the same as living in Canada I would stay here. I am sure, as many of you can attest to that these little things that we will all miss at first, will be quickly forgotten once settled in and we begin our new adventure.

Once the question was put to me however, I was relieved to find my list was very short..........I hope once we get there it stays that way!!!! LOL (I may miss my horses too!)

Gringal

Mar 15, 2005, 12:27 PM

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Butter - no need to suffer. "Fern" brand butter from New Zealand is delicious and is available, at least here in San Miguel, at the local supermarket.

Mar 15, 2005, 12:59 PM

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Try a variety of butters before decrying the butter available in Mexico. The Fern brand is very good.

Costco has been selling Canadian beef, and I've never bought a bad piece of meat there. The SuSazon chain http://www.susazon.com.mx/ has excellent cuts of frozen beef. Chihuahua and Sonora produce some of the best beef in the world, IMHO.

Gayla

Mar 15, 2005, 3:31 PM

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Asiento. It will make you forget all about butter. Unfortunately, you can't bake with it, but there are other fats that can be used in baking that provide equal or better results.

Mar 15, 2005, 6:09 PM

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I agree the butter is bad.

The ham is worse, 20 varieties of chopped and formed ham...not even a whole ham I can bake.

No aged cheeses, tons of this bland white stuff but we've yet to find cheddar, munster, or colby.

Very limited selection of diet sodas and they seem to be twice the price.

Spices, most of the spices I'm used to are not here - plenty of chile con limon however.

Ranch dressing, only one brand anywhere here in Acapulco and it doesn't taste like what I expect.

Mayonaise all seems to be con limon except for one, and it also doesn't taste quite right.

BBQ sauce, only one brand in town.

Bread, the local breads are great but I've yet to find rye or pumpernickel.

Only 2 or 3 brands of mustard, my fave not among them.

Most of the chicken here is dark orange and I've yet to acquire a taste for it. The pink chicken I'm used to is twice the price and hard to find. Do you suppose they are different breeds of chicken?

The beef is ok but the selection is very limited. What DO they do with the other half of the cow??

The pork is excellent (except for the ham and bacon) but the selection is likewise very limited.

Meat thermometer, I finally had to have one sent in a care package from the States. The response I got was nearly universal - "If you cook the meat until it is done, why for do you wish to know it's temperature?"

I've yet to find a turkey.

The coffee selection is limited also, and what is there isn't very good.

All of this has been a very good reason to change my diet. For the best I'm sure, but I sure would love a nice ham and cheese sandwich on rye bread with honey mustard. ;)

Lots of other little things I notice every day although none I seem to recall at the moment except for food. Must be dinner time? LOL :)

Compórtate bien, y si no puedes, invítame!
MG Rabon

Cynthia7

Mar 15, 2005, 9:28 PM

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I think the Gloria butter is the best of Mexican butters. The chicken is yellow because they feed them marigolds. I think the chickens and eggs are delicious. I use the smoked pork chops in place of ham and I have not found anything to equal them in the states. Mexicans like their breads sweet and I do not prefer sweet bread. I don't know where you shop but mayonaisse without lemon, ranch dressing (bottled), barbq sauces, etc. are found at Superama, Walmart, Cosco, Sam's..etc. Bimbo has come out with a light and a whole wheat bread and a fiber bar that I find quite acceptable for commercial bakery bread. The Lea and Perrin garlic sauce is not available in the US and I take it to the US.Oaxaca chocolate, Mexican vanilla and Mexican coffee are very good. We buy gourmet coffee from Oaxaca, Chiapas and VeraCruz that is to die for. This cofee is raised on one land area in each state and is not batched with coffee from other coffee plantations. I joke that it is picked by virgins in the light of the full moon because it is expensive but worth every penny of it. I can't think of much we have to bring anymore.

Mar 16, 2005, 4:03 AM

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Don't you have Costco, Sam's or Walmart where you live? Or gourmet stores? Look there. And understand that the merchandise frequently changes. What you couldn't find on the shelves yesterday may be available today.

The cult of year-round turkey hasn't hit Mexico, although there's usually a large store around somewhere carrying frozen turkey or parts. Whole turkeys hit the stores during the Christmas season.

Cheddar cheeses aren't as popular here, but they can be found. Imported from California, even.

It's not that hard to whip up your own mayo. All it takes is a blender. Ditto for BBQ sauce.

What half of the beef animal are you looking for?

Don't you have stand-alone coffee shops -- like Italian Coffee Company or an indepedent -- where you live?

Mar 16, 2005, 6:55 AM

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Thanks Jennifer,

Yes I shop at Sam's, Wal-mart, Super Gigante, Carrefour, and Bodega something - there IS a Costco but they lost me in the States years ago - I may have to bite the bullit and go there but it is way on the east side of Acapulco and we're west of town, plus I didn't think they would have anything that Sam's didn't.

I'm working on my mayo recipe today and will try to duplicate my fave BBQ sauce in the future. Perhaps my next care package from home will include a case of powdered Hidden Valley Ranch dressing? :-) The only beef cuts in the stores here are flank, rib eye (so they say), something that looks like knees or feet, toung, and some very fatty ground beef. I've yet to see a t-bone, porterhouse, KC Strip, chuck, sirloin, or a roast of any description in the stores. We went home for Christmas so I guess we missed the Turkey. Lots of ORANGE chicken here though, anyone know why it is orange? Jaundice? LOL

Unlike the Zona Rosa in DF where you can't walk a block without running into a Starbucks, the only coffee shops here (that we've found) are in the Mall and they don't sell ground coffee - plus what the do serve tastes like instant (double strength) to me.

I don't mean to come across as a complainer, I really LOVE Mexico and it's people - but I sure would love a nice HAM now and again too. ROFL

Hasta,

PS, Ok I just read the thing about the chicken and Marigolds....Marigolds? Really? How bizarre, I guess I'll eventually get used to the taste - or give up chicken all together.

Compórtate bien, y si no puedes, invítame!
MG Rabon

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Mar 16, 2005, 8:11 AM

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Hey I know this might be a really dumb question but after looking in the yellow pages I've got to ask.

What DO you call a gourmet food store en Espanol?

Thanks,

Compórtate bien, y si no puedes, invítame!
MG Rabon

Bubba

Mar 16, 2005, 9:40 AM

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I must say that, this thread is one of the most misleading I have ever read on Mexico Connect. I started making a list of the things Rabon and others said they couldn't find that I find regularly and with little or no effort in the greater Guadalajara area and finally stopped listing because the list became tedious. There is absolutely nothing on any of these lists that I cannot find in Guadalajara or the Chapala area usually in abundance. Nothing.

Now, I admit, I live in an area with an unusually good variety of specialty food items and that, if one chooses to live in a rural or more parochial urban area of Mexico, then the variety of foodstuffs is more limited - sometimes far more limited. This is an important issue for those considering retirement in Mexico when choosing a retirement community.

As someone said earlier, imported butters are widely available including the commonly found New Zealand butters. I like the strong taste of Mexican butter but my wife does not so we always have both Mexican and New Zealand butters on hand. I have also found outstanding specialty butters from Europe in gourmet stores in Guadalajara.

I can buy whole turkeys fresh or smoked, whole turkey breasts and a variety of sliced turkey meats, smoked or not smoked at any time in any number of places. The same goes for hams whether American style or the wonderful Serrano hams from Spain or Prosciutto hams from Italy. We find a large selection of fine cheeses from around the world and regularly buy Roquefort, several varieties of swiss, excellent goat cheeses both Mexican and French, the very best parmesan from Italy, French soft ripening cheeses and on and on. The beef and lamb selections at Costco are unsurpassed in quality as is the outstanding arrachera and (to a lesser extent) other fine beef cuts at the Susazon chain in Guadalajara, Ajijic and other towns. Local stores carry a large variety of oriental food condiments and produce. We buy very good Chilean, Spanish and Argentine wines because they are great values for the price but we can also buy any number of wines and liquors from all over the world at numerous outlets in Guadalajara as well as the excellent Paz Liquors in San Antonio Tlayacapan.

We can get either the yellow (marigold fed) chicken that we prefer or the white chicken brought into Riberas daily from Guadalajara. We consider the local yellow chicken to be superior in quality to any mass produced chickens found in the U.S.

We regularly buy Best Foods Mayonnaise which is of superior quality for commercial mayonnaise and is the exact same concoction as that brand from the Western U.S. We also buy Maille (and other) Dijon mustards and Dijon style mayonnaise and find an endless variety of other mustards in our local market. Add to that French cornichons, excellent virgin olive oils from Spain, Italy, France and Greece, and an endless variety of commercial salad dressings including several types of "Ranch", great capers, canned ventresca de tuna, anchovies, etc. And, finally, for that Ceasar Salad, real honest-to-God lemons which are next to impossible to find in most of Mexico.

As for , coffee; while there are about five Starbucks that just opened in Guadalajara, one needn't resort to this chain's overpriced cookie cutter products. There are numerous excellent coffee houses all over that city including my favorite, Cafe Martinique adjacent to Centro Magno which roasts and distributes its own beans. The personnel couldn't be nicer and their espresso based products are supurb. In Ajijic, the Cafe del Sureste near the plaza roasts its own Oaxaca, Chiapas and VeraCruz beans and not only do I enjoy espresso drinks there but buy their incredibly fresh whole beans for home brewing. There are a number of other very good coffee houses in the Chapala/Ajijic corridor.

I am, frankly, surprised that you can't find this stuff in Acapulco. Strike that place off my list.

I think we can live without Alberta beef, I know I have for 63 years so far.

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lls138

Mar 16, 2005, 9:45 AM

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oh my gosh!!! where do you live??? i have a very fine cousine and i have lived in mexico my entire life. Maybe you need to go out more often
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Mar 16, 2005, 10:16 AM

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I go to at least one of those stores on my list every day.

Guadalajara is a major city, #64 of the 100 largest cities in the world at 3,908,000 people.

Acapulco in comparison is much smaller and is located in the poorest state in Mexico.

I imagine you could find most anything in Guadalajara if you looked hard enough, but that is hardly indicative of Mexico as a whole. I'm pretty sure you could find good authentic mole in a market somewhere in NYC too, but that doesn't mean you'll find it at the market in Yeehaw Jct. Florida either. ;)

Excuse me if I am misleading anyone, these are just the things I can't find here where I am - your Mexican experience may differ.

Compórtate bien, y si no puedes, invítame!
MG Rabon

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Mar 16, 2005, 10:47 AM

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Ok, so we may not have all the food items that I have yet to learn to live without, but here is what we do have instead.

Yesterday's sunset from my patio.

Compórtate bien, y si no puedes, invítame!
MG Rabon

Uncle Jack

Mar 16, 2005, 10:51 AM

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Hell, I'll trade that for a jar of Best Foods mayonaise anyday!

uj

Bubba

Mar 16, 2005, 2:55 PM

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That's very nice Sr. Rabon. I, too, lived on the Pacific Ocean for many years with a view similar to your own. I found it attractive, if somewhat monotonous, but entirely inedible. Now, I hope you are not misleading my friend, Uncle Jack who seems to think he can trade a jar of Best Foods Mayonnaise for a home in Pie de la Cuesta with Sr. Rabon's vista.

There is no question that Guadalajara has many urban amenities not available in most smaller communities but there is one thing I do find hard to believe. Acapulco, which appears to be only a few kilometers from the town in which you reside, is a sophisticated city of at least 600,000 (counted) inhabitants with numerous luxurious hotels and restaurants and a huge international tourist trade. Certainly, during times when there is a major tourist influx such as the coming Easter holiday, there are well over 1,000,000 souls residing therein. Not only that, the Acapulco area is only a few hours by autopista from one of the world's great cities where just about anything one could desire is available. If I can find most of the food items I was listing in the much smaller coastal resort of Puerto Vallarta, which I can, I'll bet I can find them in Acapulco as well.

By the way, having lived directly on the ocean for many years and also having had the pleasure of a BLT with heirloom tomatoes and Best Foods Mayonnaise, I'll take the latter if I must choose one or the other.

Anyway, my post was not an attack on your veracity. I was simply trying to inform those not that familiar with Mexico that, in fact, if you choose your community carefully, you can find a wonderful variety of food items in this country. - and I haven't even touched upon the local cuisine in this post.

Gringal

Mar 16, 2005, 3:06 PM

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What I miss: Trader Joe's.
Aside from that - I'm getting used to eating less heavy duty cuts of meat. The skinny flank steak tastes great with the proper marinade. When I need a burger fix, I pick up a package of the lean beef chunks suitable for a shish-kabob and have them grind it for me. I did same thing back in the States with roasts since I like to know where my burger came from.
Some serious searching will often come up with a bakery that provides the means to banish Bimbo bread. Here in San Miguel we have several, with my fave being the Maple Leaf. They actually have San Francisco style sourdough.
Costco has a great Black Forest Ham lunch meat. The marigold chickens , with their orange-yolk eggs are very tasty once you get past the visuals.
On my wish list: That a really good winemaker would set up in Mexico and create some fine tasting wine. If they can do it in Chile, why not here? I'm not asking for the finest vintages - just something costing 70 pesos or less that doesn't taste like it should be used to clean your hubcaps. If I'm missing something that's already out there, please share.

Mar 16, 2005, 3:52 PM

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You have SuSazon in Acapulco. Go there and buy meat.

You have fine restaurants in Acapulco which offer cortes Americanos on the menu, no? Someone's got a T-bone on the menu in your town. They're not buying their beef in the "Freshly killed this morning" section of the open-air market. Get to know the restaurant owner by being a good customer, and ask him where he buys his meat. Each time I've asked, the owner has been most generous with the directions and even telling me what he pays. In the days before we had SuSazon, Costco and other sources of good meat, we used to regularly buy meat from our favorite restaurant at cost. Even today, if I want something special, I ask my chef friend, and he can get me some very good deals. Obviously, the order will have to be something more than just two steaks, so you might want to have some freezer space.

Cynthia7

Mar 16, 2005, 6:09 PM

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Sam's and Cosco will give you a one time pass if you just want to try it out or see what you are missing or not missing. SuSasson is my ace in the hole for meat. I get the thick steaks - ask if you can't tell. The t -bones are thin. I buy thick sliced bacon - they slice it- at a small store that buys it by the slab. I tried several till I found the one I liked. Kiki's a chain store has the best hamburger - no fat and tasty. I think the Mexican pork is delicious. Their pork loin and pork tenderloin are excellent. We haven't mentioned one of Mexico's exclusive sweets - cajeta. Have you ever been served Glorias for dessert? I have a friend that chills them and passes them after dinner as dessert.

Mar 16, 2005, 7:11 PM

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You have SuSazon in Acapulco. Go there and buy meat.

Where? I've looked in the phone book, called directory assistance, NADA. The mozzos have never heard of it either although tomorrow they are going to start calling people they know to see if someone has heard of it. If you have direct information that one is indeed here perhaps you can provide an address or phone number? I would really appreciate it if you could.

I did ask once at the only place that served me a nice T-bone where the meat came from - Argentina I was told, on a weekly truck from Mexico City. I don't know if I'd go as far as to call any of the dining here fine - maybe over in Las Brisas, I'm sure Julia Roberts eats out somewhere. I might add that I would like a steak but don't want to pay as much as a small tv set for one - I'll go vegan. ROFL

It really never occurred to me that Costco would have anything different than what Sam's has, I guess I should drive over there and see.

A translation into Spanish of 'gourmet grocery' might help, the only translation I can come up with is a real mouthful, isn't in the yellow pages and garners only odd looks of confusion from the mozzos.

Compórtate bien, y si no puedes, invítame!
MG Rabon

Mar 16, 2005, 7:41 PM

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In my first post on this thread, I provided the URL for SuSazon. Here is the page which lists its tiendas: http://www.susazon.com/paginas/tiendas.html Looking under Guerrero, there is this listing:

Susazón Acapulco
Av. Costera Miguel Alemán # 116
Local 11 Plaza Condesa
C.P. 39690 Acapulco, Gro.
susazonguerrero@hotmail.com
01(744) 48-10-408

Coyuca 22 is still in business in Acapulco, no? And they do serve beef, no?

If you have Comercial Mega in your city -- and you can check at its website -- they carry the Sterling line of imported beef. Including New York strips, which you can have cut to the thickness of your choice.

Carol Schmidt

Mar 17, 2005, 12:34 AM

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Norma found Santa Carolina wine at La Europa in San Miguel that's only around 40 pesos and it's the best cheap wine she's found. It comes in a couple varieties, red and white. Neither of us know much about wines but you might want to try a bottle--you can always use it for cooking if you don't like it. (Yes, yes, I know, never use any wine for cooking that you wouldn't drink, that's what the chefs always say, but hey, I'd rather throw some in a sauce than down the drain.)

Ummm, to dash into a Trader Joe's for a take-out tray of dolma...

Carol Schmidt

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Mar 17, 2005, 8:17 AM

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Thanks Jennifer, and everyone else for ideas.

I'll go check out Costco.

Maybe a nice ham, some aged cheese, and coffee, might be a great excuse to jump on the Autopista and make a monthly dash to Mexico City? Hmmm

Yes, I see SuSazon' IS in the Yellow pages - It's not were I was looking, but here it is under: Abastecedores de Carnes para Hoteles y Restaurauntes. I'll pay them a visit this afternoon if I can fight the pre-holy week traffic.

Oooh, a steak - my mouth is watering already - now I can throw some charred construction debris (I assume all charcoal in Mexico looks like this?) on the grill and have a BBQ. LOL :)

Hasta!

Compórtate bien, y si no puedes, invítame!
MG Rabon

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Mar 17, 2005, 7:03 PM

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I tried to call SuSazon' and was informed that their phone was disconnected, directory assistance did not have a new number for them either. I decided to drive over there anyway to look and see if I could find it. I drove to the Centro Commercial Plaza Condesa (the address from the Website), where I got to climb up a bunch of stairs. The plaza is a mostly vacant disorganized sprawl of a decaying building, kinda spookey and dirty. I kept thinking to myself if there is a meat market in here I don't think I want anything from it. After 30 minutes of wandering around we determined that SuSazon' must be out of business here and started to leave. As we were leaving an older gentleman asked us what we were looking for. We told him we were looking for SuSazon', a meat market of some sort. He said he knew the place and that it had moved to behind the University Americana Acapulco.

After looking for some time behind the University we finally spot the sign. The place sure wasn't what we thought we were looking for, in the States any place with Gourmet in the name tends to have an upscale look but here this place was, about half the size of one of our bathrooms. It looked like a tiny miscelanea store with one small display rack and 2 tiny chest type freezers. We went in even though we were pretty sure this was no meat market, or at least nothing we would recognize as a meat market. I asked the clerk and sure enough she produced a package of frozen meat. Frozen meat? Gourmet? Ok so I asked her if they had any that was not frozen (kinda hard to have it cut your way frozen isn't it?) and she replied that it was all frozen and showed me the label that indicated that it was packaged in Argentina 11 months ago. Well I used to be in the biz and am really not interested in year old frozen beef, but I inquired as to the price anyway. Wow! They had 3 cuts of meat, all priced between $300 and $450np per KILO! Probably the greatest incentive to go out to eat I've found yet - I can have it cooked and served to me with a potato and salad (and probably a drink too) for that price. Thanks anyway! I hope their meat is REALLY good.

Anyway with renewed intensity I resume my shopping trip and go next to Sam's. I hadn't thought to look at the LARGE cuts of meat as we're trying to relieve ourselves of the American habit of trying to store food forever and are trying to eat a fresher diet. Over in the large cuts I did indeed find whole rib eyes, filets, and New York strips. Well to make a long story short (I know it's too late LOL) I found that I could buy an ENTIRE New York Strip for the price of a couple of those frozen things at SuSazon', so I did - sure I will have to freeze some of it but not for anything like the year that SuSazon's meat had already been frozen for.

I did find a very small package of Black Forest Ham that I'm going to try, still no aged cheeses or rye bread though. Only one mayo sin limon, Helmans LIGHT...yuck, diet Mayo.

Many thanks for the help.

Here is the current address for SuSazon' in Acapulco if anybody wants it, the clerk said they had moved over a year ago - one would think they would update their Web site eventually.

SuSazon' Del Pacifico
Av. Cristobal Colon, No. 14 Local 3
Fracc. Magallanes C.P. 39670

edited for spelling

Compórtate bien, y si no puedes, invítame!
MG Rabon

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Bubba

Mar 18, 2005, 12:23 PM

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One of the reason there are fine wines from Chili at a reasonable price and that you cannot find similar quality and price from Mexico is very simple: the best wine areas in the Northern hemisphere are located around the 45th paralel The most northern area for good wines goes through Germany and Champagne, Washington, Oregon etc and the Southern limit is North Africa with the best wines coming from Bordeaux, Burgundy etc.
Too much heat too long, you loose finesse and gain alcohol, too much rain during growing season will dilute the wines and bring mildew , rot and all kinds of plagues to the vines.
Too much cold(-10C) will kill the dormant vines . On the other hand you need some cold during the dormant season.
Too much rain during the flowering and you will have different rate of maturation of the grapes and will end up with mediocre wine unless you spend a lot of money removing the green berries.
Too much heat or drought during maturation will give you a high alcohol wine without elegance. And so on and so forth .. studies on the subject fill whole libraries. I will spare you the details on the soil ..
You can find a similar climate, growing season etc.to the 45th paralel band.in the Southern hemisphere and will find out that it is the reason you have nice wines in Argentina, South Africa and Australia. Baja is about as far south as you can get to get decent wines. This is why Chili and not Mexico.
In Baja one of the good wine maker is from Chateau Camou: he studied in Bordeaux and makes nice wines.. but expensive...
This message is not from the know it all Bubba but from his wife who spent 30 years in the wine business...

Gringal

Mar 18, 2005, 2:55 PM

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