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culberto

Oct 10, 2004, 3:25 PM

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My initial research into Mexico was motivated by wanting to become fluent in a second language. I want to think in another language before I die. I read an article about living in Morelia in an apartment close to the University and studying Spanish with an immersion in the local population. I am a 64 yo widow, female, $1,000.00 a month income with a savings account and a desire to keep my brain cells working. My idea is to do this for about six months and then decide if I want to retire in Mexico. Has anyone out there done this recently and would being a single female be a problem in Morelia?

Phyllis Culbert
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jennifer rose

Oct 10, 2004, 6:37 PM

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I don't think that Morelia would perceive the presence of a single female to be a problem. But if you don't have familiarity with the area or with the Spanish language, you might be better served by enrolling at a school such at Baden-Powell, http://www.baden-powell.com/, and arranging a homestay.

There are several universities in Morelia -- University of Morelia, the Latina, Vasco de Quiroga, Tec de Monterrey, Tec de Morelia, La Salle, UNAM, and U.M.S.N.H., which has schools scattered all over town.


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culberto

Oct 10, 2004, 6:55 PM

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Thank you for the advise and web link. A homestay would be more comfortable and not so challenging as going it alone in Morelia.

Phyllis
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Gayla

Oct 10, 2004, 10:45 PM

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Phyllis, long, long ago in what now seems like a galaxy far, far away, I did Spanish immersion in Cuernavaca that included a homestay. It was, without a doubt, one of the best experiences I had. I did it 2 summers in a row, and was with the same family both times. They spoke very little English and my Spanish (especially the first year) was pretty rusty. But they were the nicest people and I got very luck in that they were fabulous cooks, or rather they had fabulous cooks. As long as you're in good health, adventursome and can roll with the punches, I don't think age is an obstacle. Good luck :-)

Gayla

P.S. I'm not fluent in Spanish (use it or loose it and I lost a lot) but even after all these years, I did retain an awful lot of what I learned and can communicate reasonably well.


culberto

Oct 11, 2004, 7:50 AM

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Gayla,

I looked up the Baden-Powell web site that Jennifer referred me to and it seems like the way to get to know Mexico. Not only do they have lesson and board with a local family, but weekend excurisions to places all around Mexico.

Your story reinforces my determination to do this. Thanks

Phyllis
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Gayla

Oct 11, 2004, 9:57 AM

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Phyllis

Most of the language immersion programs have extensive extra-curricular programs. They do cost extra, but you pay as you go and generally they aren't very expensive. The school's objective is to expose you to as much language and culture as they can.

I attended El Centro Bilingue in Cuernavaca (you can do a web search for them, but it's sometimes hard to find their web site. If you can't find it, e-mail me and I'll see if I can find the link). They had excursions every day after classes and longer ones on the weekend. Some of the longer excursions were to Taxco, Acapulco and Puebla. Some of the 1-day weekend excurisons were to Las Grutas, Mexico City (lots of different choices - museums, Frida Kahlo's house, Ballet Folklorico at Bellas Artes, Tenochtitan/Los Piramides, etc). There were also after class excursions around the local community, to some of the weekly tinaguis, old haciendas or local walking tours. They also held Friday evening fiestas for new and continuing students to which you could bring your host family. You will have plenty of free time, but most of the school do provide structured activities as well.

Many of the language programs are structured very similarly. Upon initial arrival they'll do an orientation in which they give you an overview of your local area, customs, safety, health, how to use the local bus system, living with your family and how the school works. That is usually followed by a placement test and perhaps a quick interview with a teacher so that they can figure out which class to put you in based on your level of Spanish proficiency. School itself is usually 6 hours per day. The first couple of hours are devoted to grammar and learning the basic structure of the language (it helps if you know this stuff in English because your instructors do, and they use the terminology). Grammar will be in a small group, usually no more than 4 or 5 others (and usually fewer) that are at the same level as you with the language. After grammar usually comes a lecture by a different insturctor on history, culture, anthropology or other academic subject. These are conducted in Spanish and it doesn't really matter if you understand much or not, the objective is to get your ear attuned to hearing the language spoken correctly and well by native speakers. And you'll be surprised by how much you really do end up understanding. After another break it usually back into your small group for conversation in Spanish where you learn vocabulario and begin speaking what you're learning and hearing. There may also be a 2nd lecture. You usually break around 2 PM to return home for comdia. Some schools offer additional late afternoon classes, tutoring and/or private lessons. Many schools now also have computer language labs where you can listen to tapes and continue practicing.

Cuernenavaca was a much smaller town when I was there. After comida the 2 other students in the family and I usually walked down to the Zocalo and either met up with other students or explored the markets and other stores, but mostly we hung out at some of the local cafes practicing our Espanol with each other and whatever locals found us amusing and were willing to be language guinea pigs for us.

I was not the oldest student in the school, but I was the oldest student in my household, but it didn't matter one whit. I had a blast, learned a huge amount of Spanish (by the end of 9 weeks I had a reasonable level of fluency) and an equally huge amount about Mexico, it's history and it's people. I ended up going to graduate school at UCLA in Latin American Studies shortly after my language immersion program.

As with almost anything, attitude is everything. If you go in with an open mind, open heart and open attitude, you *will* learn Spanish and have a wonderful time doing it. From what I've read, it already appears that you've got the right attitude. I'd say go for it and don't look back :-)

Gayla


thfarrell


Oct 16, 2004, 8:50 PM

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Hola Culberto !

Not knowing anything about your situation...

If you've never studied a language other than English, or if it's been a really long time, your first studies in Mexico will go MUCH better if you take a semester of Spanish at a local community college, not so much to learn Spanish as to get over the unfamiliarity of conjugated verbs (different forms for I,you,he/she/it, etc) and nouns with gender. Getting a bit comfortable with that takes a while for some, and you might as well do it at home.

After that, I strongly second Jennifer Rose's suggestion about Baden-Powell. I've been to the school twice, most recently last summer. The student body was diverse - from age 15 (there with her mom) to over 70, just-folks and school teachers and seminary students from the US, people from Canada, a young man from Italy. Classes are small and, at extra cost, one-on-one sessions can be setup as well. The teachers I've had have been personable, friendly, professional, caring and very well prepared. The school will go out of its way to make sure your homestay is a success (you won't get "stuck" in the wrong situation). There are add-on classes - small groups, salsa-dancing, cooking. There are weekend trips to nearby areas/towns - patzcuaro, the beach, guanajuato). Both may be extra costs, as well.

I'm the one in my family who always "finds" the rock in the rice and the eggshell in the omlette. When I cracked/chipped a tooth on the rock in the frijoles a couple of summers ago, the school found me a better-equipped dentist than the one I go to at home.

I suppose it's possible you might not like Baden-Powell, but I can't imagine it.

Tom
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"Beauty is in the i of the Beholder"
(Julia Mandelbrot)


culberto

Oct 17, 2004, 12:10 AM

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Dear Gayla and Tom,

I can understand your not knowing my situation -- I don't even know it.

However I want to thank both of you for the information. As a resident of San Antonio, Tx, I have a lot of opportunity to take Spanish lessons and practice it with my bilingual friends. I can also watch the novelas on the Spanish stations so I just need to get started.

I hope to be able to attend Baden-Powell at some time in the future. In my internet browsing, I've read praises for the same school.

Again, thanks all of you for the input.

Phyllis
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