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Bubba

Sep 26, 2004, 7:34 PM

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I'm sitting here listening to WinMX shared files. At the moment, Another Brick In The Wall. I just listened to White Rabbit, Sweet Home Alabama, I Put a Spell on You, China Grove, Living For The City and Kentucky Rain. What is wrong with me? While I tried to buy this music, it wasn't available to me since I live in Mexico so all I could do was download the music for free as shared files on WinMX. I feel so cheap. I am nothing more than a despicable thief. I must admit that I had mastered the art of stealing Coca Colas from the vending machine at Doc Stabler's Standard Oil Station on Commerce Street in Greenville, Alabama circa 1956 but that was a youthful conceit. Here I am listening to music I treasure and not paying for it simply because I lack the capacity to do so. Does this mean that I am damned to eternal fire? Can you imagine spending eternity burning in hell because you ripped off Satin Sheets to Lie On?

By the way, is there a sense of proportion missing here? Here I am listening to a free copy of White Room with Eric Clapton and the old lady down the street is trying to find a place to graze her milk cows which have been displaced by the glorified lake growth that has gringos atwitter and has inundated the property that is her salvation. And there are those among you worry that Bubba has purchased an illegal video.

When Bubba first went to register to vote in Butler County Alabama in 1963, he had to pass a poll test which was basically the recital of his name. The principal of the local segregated black high school had to have memorized the Alabama State constitution in order to qualify to vote. Don't talk to Bubba about law.


(This post was edited by Bubba on Sep 26, 2004, 8:36 PM)



Brian

Sep 26, 2004, 7:38 PM

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Careful with that WinMX...beware of gifts bearing Trojans :-)


sfmacaws


Sep 26, 2004, 11:31 PM

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OK, I'm curious Bubba. Why can't you buy the music? Are they checking your IP number and not allowing it because you are coming from a Mexican server? It seems odd, I'm pretty sure you have a US credit card and a download is a download. Have you tried the Apple Music Store?

...btw, you have much better taste in music than movies <g>


Jonna - Mérida, Yucatán




kirkswig


Sep 26, 2004, 11:40 PM

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I know exactly what you mean, but instead of music, for me its video. Specifically, TV shows.

I had NetFlix back in the states. A brilliant service, really. It essentially let me forget about cable or satellite TV as nowadays all the good series make it to DVD eventually.

But NetFlix won't send DVD's to Mexico. And I can't legally get DirecTV or Dish (at least, not the U.S. version with all the channels I'm interested in.) So what am I supposed to do if I insist on watching the upcoming season of Alias?

supernova.org using BitTorrent?

I'm presently rationalizing this based on the following two factors:

a) I gladly paid for legal access to these shows in the past.

b) I would gladly pay for legal access to these shows today.

At some point they will have a service running that will stream, or at least let you download, TV shows and movies over the Internet.

Of course, they already do this for music. Bubba, there's nothing preventing you from using Rhapsody, or Apple's iTunes Music Store (yes, it supports Windows too), or any of the other dozen-or-so on-demand music services that exist today, and which are easily accessible in Mexico over the Internet.

So really, you don't have an excuse. But I do.

Or do I?

:::ponders:::

To boldly go where no wig has gone before.


gbatrucks


Sep 27, 2004, 9:05 AM

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It probably has to do with international licensing & artist's royalty payments. That's also why VHS is in so many different regional formats...Hollywood wanted to control the roll out of there productions around the world.
"The trouble with life is there's no background music."


Bubba

Sep 27, 2004, 2:01 PM

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Jonna & Kirk:

I've forgoten the service I tried to use but they wanted to sell me songs I love for $0.99 each US. When I tried to purchase songs, the service informed me that it could not sell music in Mexico. So, I changed my address to my sister's home in Alabama. That did not work either. Maybe, since my ISP is Prodigy in Mexico, they can see through this. On the other hand, there are those who would argue that Alabama is not a part of the U.S. either. That's debatable.

Then my local computer nerd Mr. Fixit, came to my house to do some work on my computer and, when I asked him about this problem, he introduced me to WINMX. I simply download anything I want from shared files there. Frankly, I don't see the difference between my "sharing" my favorite music with strangers around the globe and buying a pirated DVD. However, if they are gong to refuse to sell me my Screaming Jay Hawkins and I can pull it off of the internet, then I will do so.

Kirk, I overcame the Netflix problem with a U.S. forwarding address. Unfortunately, the Mailboxes, Etc. mail forwarding service in San Antonio Tlayacapan, Jalisco was so unreliable, I had to cancel the service. If you can find a reliable mail forwarding service in Mexico with a U.S. address, you can enjoy the excellent Netflix product. I plan to start again when I can find that service. MBE in San Antonio tells me they are working to correct their problem. Let's hope they succeed.

Finally, Jonna, I know you are a die-hard Republican from San Francisco which is a creature as rare as a red eyed albino elephant in Kansas and, thus you fail to share my enthusiasm for Farenheit 9/11, but I'm glad we can mutually enjoy the talents of Grace Slick and Eric Clapton. All is not lost. I will leave you a gift wrapped copy of Farenheit 9/11 when I am in Akumal.


sfmacaws


Sep 27, 2004, 3:00 PM

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Yep, I'm guessing that the online music stores are screening the IP number of their customers and not just the credit cards and addresses. That's a bummer.

While I am in favor of people getting paid for their creations, I'm pretty disgusted with the antics of the music and movie industry. I was looking at the thread on slash dot that Kirk posted, it's appalling that the US is allowing this private industry to control media so thoroughly.

Gee Bubba, you really are a true San Franciscan. My politics would be called moderate or conservative Democrat most places in the US and probably I'd be a commie pinko radical in your old home state but only in San Francisco am I considered a die-hard Republican. Kind of makes me homesick.

I never watch movies whether I agree with them or not, it's just not an interest of mine. So, save your $20p and don't leave me the infomercial. I will make you copies of my huge collection of 1950's MP3s that I downloaded from napster when it was still alive, I don't have Screaming Jay Hawkins so we can probably make some trades <g> It was Another Brick in the Wall that I really responded to, one of my favs.


Jonna - Mérida, Yucatán




kirkswig


Sep 27, 2004, 10:58 PM

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Yep, I'm guessing that the online music stores are screening the IP number of their customers and not just the credit cards and addresses.


This is what I get when I first try accessing iTunes (this is using a Prodigy.net.mx ADSL account):


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The iTunes Music Store is not available in your country yet. You will be able to browse music and listen to previews, but you won't be able to purchase music unless your billing address is in the United States, the United Kingdom, France or Germany.


But there's a CONTINUE button. So I click it.

And I am able to register, give them my password and my NOB BILLING ADDRESS, as well as my credit card, expiration date and CVV code, and then...

I can one-click a song. Right now I'm downloading Bang A Gong (Get it on) by TRex.

And in the time it took for me to compose the previous sentence (dang URL syntax and all) I see now that the song has completed downloading, not only that, I'm playing it right at this very instant.

So yes, iTunes works, even in Mexico. They are no doubt dealing with the millions of requests from Mexicans to access their service, requests they can't legally satisfy at this time, so they put up this Gargoyle of a message to scare the Mexicans off (probably would be more effective if it was in ***SPANISH***) but if you continue undeterred and you have that U.S. billing address you too can bang a gong.

And get it on.

:::insert most excellent guitar solo here:::

EDIT: What a rip! There IS NO excellent guitar solo here! The version of {i]Bang a Gong I want to hear is apparently by Power Station, and iTunes doesn't make this version available. Yes, they have Pink Floyd, but they don't have The Beatles! Yes, they have Aerosmith, but they don't have AC/DC! They have some of Elton John, but not Blue Moves, which is probably the most underrated double lp ever produced and may be his best work ever!

AND NO LED ZEPPELIN!!!!!!!

So I am sorry I did this. Bubba has a point. I spend an hour on iTunes and almost half of everything I want to hear I can't find. I understand that this isn't Mexico-specific, this is licensing and artists saying no or we want more, but still, how can you blame somebody for going elsewhere?

I was a long-time Rhapsody user before I moved to MX. Rhapsody is the deal where you pay $10 a month and get to hear any song you want that's in their collection, any time you want. Their collection is approximately that of iTunesa s near as I can gather. I mean, I couldn't find The Beatles on Rhapsody either. But what I could do was create a "radio station" using The Beatles as a hint to what music I wanted to listen to, and don't you know, like every third song on this virtual radio station was by The Beatles.

(I have no idea why I'm italicizing the names of rock groups or the names of their albums. Please forgive me.)

The thing with Rhapsody though is that if they didn't carry a particular group or a particular album or song it wasn't that big of a deal. I could always listen to something else, and for the same price. Apple's model is flawed I think. I mean, I paid five bucks for the Dark Side of the Moon LP, then I paid it again when a friend stole it from me (no longer a friend), and then I bought the eight-track, and then I bought the cassette, and then I bought the CD at least twice, and now Apple wants me to pay ten bucks to download it from them. OK. But what happens when they upgrade the format? What happens when they decide that, hey, on these new Macs and iPods we've yet to produce, you're going to need to upgrade your music collecton so as to experience the latest advances in music fidelity? And what do we all do then?

Say no?

And miss out on the G9 processor, which lets us play Doom4, or edit 3D video from our new camcorders?

If I'm going to buy a song from iTunes, I want to be able to buy a license to listen to that song, no matter how many new ways of listening to it they create.

I might soon be tempted to try Rhapsody again. Having an always-available music source scares me when I only have 256Kbps downstream capacity, and I've got other things to do with this connection. Still, it's the better model, at least for me. I can listen to any song in their library, any time I want, as often as I want, and I don't have to worry about upgrading or losing my license or getting busted by the music police.

OK, I'm rambling I know... it's just annoying that we can't get this right, that's all. Bubba shouldn't have to feel like he's a thief if all he wants to do is listen to Debby Boone singing You LIght Up My Life. I may not agree with the choice, but it's his right to listen to it if he wants.

To boldly go where no wig has gone before.

(This post was edited by kirkswig on Sep 28, 2004, 2:57 AM)


kirkswig


Sep 28, 2004, 3:05 AM

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Not happy about my inability to edit this message further. I tend to ramble, and people who tend to ramble need more opportunity to fix the things that they say.

To boldly go where no wig has gone before.


not_ally

Sep 28, 2004, 6:53 AM

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Don't worry about it, kirkswig, we're on Mexico time. Plus there's some useful stuff in the ramblings.
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Uncle Jack


Sep 28, 2004, 7:23 AM

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Don't worry about rambling too much. Hell, I used to smoke some of that shit.


Gary Anderson

Sep 28, 2004, 8:05 AM

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A friend here in Ajijic - Bubba, you know him, too - who is a musician and co-owner of a locally popular watering hole, uses Kazaa, another file-sharing service, to download tunes. Since I've just pruchased this computer and have yet to stock up on blank CDs, I haven't tried it yet, but said friend seems to be quite satisfied with it. Have any of you tried this service, and if so, what do you consider its positives / negatives to be?

GA
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