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alex .

Aug 24, 2004, 12:57 PM

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Why is it that every gringo I meet in Mexico (which isn't that many) thinks that somehow I am instantly his best friend? If I wouldn't necessarily socialize with him in the US why should I here?
Alex



Marlene


Aug 24, 2004, 1:34 PM

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Re: [alex .] expats from up north

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Now there's the million dollar question!


Uncle Jack


Aug 24, 2004, 1:41 PM

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Well, Alex, it's just so obvious that you are such a sweet loveable guy that most folks just can't resist.

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jennifer rose

Aug 24, 2004, 1:57 PM

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Kurt Vonnegut had a word for the phenomenon: granfalloon.


Judy in Ags


Aug 24, 2004, 5:59 PM

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Re: [alex .] expats from up north

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How do you know you wouldn't necessarily socialize with them up north unless you have at least a short conversation with them?

We were approached by an American today (very rare here in Ags.). We stopped and chatted for several minutes. It was interesting to know where he was from, why he was here and what he plans to do here. He wasn't necessarily someone we'd like to spend a lot of time with, but I didn't feel it was a waste of time to stop and chat.

Anyway, Alex, maybe you'd better wear a name tag so none of us up-north expats mistakenly takes a few minutes to be friendly. ;-)


Carol Schmidt


Aug 24, 2004, 10:28 PM

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You must have just had a bad experience. With all the gringos in San Miguel, there isn't that automatic assumption we will all get along, though it does seem that many gringo tourists stop you on the street because you look like a gringo and assume you have nothing better to do than to spend the next hour explaining their map and taking them to the next place they want to go and maybe meeting for a drink and could we see your place, we want to see what a real apartment here looks like, and could we store this big thingie we just bought at your place until we figure out how to ship it, and by the way, what do you make and how much rent do you pay and what prescription drugs do you take here and how much do you pay your cleaning lady? (We tell them to sign up for Mexconnect.)

Some gringos, residents and visitors, we like immediately and do extend the invitations and ccontinue corresponding, others are kind of interesting but if we never see them again that's okay, and others there is instant dislike--same as in the States.

Whatever incidents you've had lately, I hope you have better ones in the near future. (A well-done growl and flashing of teeth would probably get your feelings across! And a US political button could weed out half!)

Carol Schmidt


abq

Aug 25, 2004, 6:15 AM

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Carol, I can't tell you how many Gringos have knocked on my door asking to see my house and wanting to know all about the neighborhood! And my home isn't exactly distinctive.

Some are pretty nice and I let them in. I tell others someone is sleeping upstairs.


Uncle Jack


Aug 25, 2004, 6:27 AM

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How do total strangers know where you live?


alex .

Aug 25, 2004, 6:40 AM

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Re: [jennifer rose] "A granfalloon is a proud and meaningless association of human beings."

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Yes, I really should read more. 8<)
I was a voracious reader until I got through college. Then reading became a chore, more like "looking at words" than reading.
Alex


alex .

Aug 25, 2004, 6:43 AM

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Carol,
They don't ask to use your computer to "check my email real quick"? 8<)
Alex


alex .

Aug 25, 2004, 7:14 AM

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Re: [Judy in Ags] well, Judy, its because you care,

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and I really kinda sorta don't. ;<)
Alex


esperanza

Aug 25, 2004, 7:43 AM

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Re: [alex .] well, Judy, its because you care,

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Workmen left the street-side door to my garden open one afternoon and total strangers (Canadians, as it turned out) came into the garden asking the gardener how much the house rents for. And yes, one woman asked me if she could just pop in to check her email. People are constantly asking me all the questions already listed in this thread and more. I get a lot of, "May we see your house, just for a minute?"

People who come here investigating the possibility of retirement to Lake Chapala are frequently so bowled over and 'in lust' with the whole area that they lose all their normal inhibitions. God knows that in Iowa City or Winnipeg they don't go up to total strangers and ask how much they pay their household help or what their electricity cost last time they got a bill.

It's kinda fun to see people so excited, though. And all of us were new here once, with a zillion questions about this then-strange place.




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abq

Aug 25, 2004, 8:32 AM

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UJ-- I'm also not famous. I live on a street that is the main walkway used to get from a popular Colonia to Centro. The guess they either see me, or my car plates (or WAG I'm a Gringa) and decide to knock.


Bubba

Aug 25, 2004, 11:37 AM

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Ex- pats from up north? Ex-pats from down south are known as Guatamalans or Hondurans or Salvadoreans. When they cross the border on their way to El Norte they are arrested, beaten, insulted and robbed by the police and then maybe tortured just for the fun of it. Just read the local press in Chiapas where poor people seeking a better life have less rights than cockroaches.

Nobody ever comes into my house or detains me on the street to ask my opinion about anything. I have to lay off the raw garlic.


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Marlene


Aug 25, 2004, 11:57 AM

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Re: [esperanza] well, Judy, its because you care,

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Something similar happened to friends of mine when they were doing some work in the back yard of their house. (It is located in the popular colonial district where the tourists are turned loose to wander around). The front door was open because the workmen were unloading and hauling stuff. She was near the back in the kitchen when she heard English being spoken inside her house. She came out, and was more than a little surprised to see this little group of people making their way through her living room!! She said "uh...can I help you?" "No we just wanted to look, thanks" She was stunned....and asked them to leave. They looked at her each other like "what's her problem". Good grief...


wendy devlin

Aug 25, 2004, 10:56 PM

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Re: [alex .] well, are you sure that you didn't ..

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... mention that you were a 'rear-gunner' once, Alex!

A little more seriously, but not much...
it too baffled me a bit initially why many ex-pats seemed to take extraordinary(in my opinion)interest in a gringa stranger's life.

Until I found out, it's kind of common behavior with some people.
(and the gossip thingy too!!!)

Now I act more clamlike, when the questions 'grok' me:) Wendy


satman


Aug 26, 2004, 5:00 PM

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Just a little curious - where do you people live that so many weird people just show up with absolutely no scruples and enter a stranger's home with no regard to your privacy or their own safety. I might be one to stop you on the street in Aguascalientes just for a quick chat; however, that is a far stretch from going in search for someone's private residence just to see if they might let me come in. I guess some people just don't have proper social skills.

The fact that I might possibly stop one of you on the street in Aguas is due to the lack of other sojourners in this familiar, yet nonetheless, foreign land. There are so few opportunities to interact with a "real-live gringo" that I will normally take the time to introduce myself, at least. If that would affend some of you, please send me your picture to make sure that I make an extra, special effort to seek you out when you come to visit Aguas.

Viva el amistad entre los paisanos, ya que somos mejores que otros, con nuestros mentes cerradisimos.

Make it a good day.
SATMAN

"Some will bitch about a dollar, while there are those without a dime."



Kip


Aug 26, 2004, 5:09 PM

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Amazingly enough, that's one of the things that I love so much about Ajijic. People do come up and start talking to you. I doubt if being from another country accounts for someone walking into a strangers house uninvited....those people are probably rude at home too.

Personally I've had it with the "each man is an island crap" I'm ready for friendly people who aren't afraid to say hi.

Kip
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Marlene


Aug 26, 2004, 6:15 PM

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It seems we live in various parts of Mexico so not exactly a "thing" for one town or city over another. I don't think anyone was saying that it is bad to stop and talk to strangers we meet in the course of our day to day activities, but it is just weird the way visitors show a particular interest in getting in to see our house and how we live (as if it is part of the Mexico tour or something)

The thing is, this is our life now and it doesn't seem odd or tourist attraction like to us so we are sort of taken aback. It seems odd to me to invite a total stranger off the street into our house just because they are curious, and my Mexican husband finds the idea extremely unsettling. Yes I have also been asked the email question many times as have my neighbors. There is an email cafe only a block and a half away.

That said, when a student or other new arrival has an emergency such as lost bank or credit card or other pressing issue back home, I most certainly invite them in to use my phone or computer. But these are people that are new acquaintances not complete strangers, and who don't know where else to turn in a strange land. Quite different from the curious tourist, who may be here for the day from a cruise ship or a tour bus parked nearby.

I honestly think, as someone said previously in this thread, folks get caught up in their adventure and exploring and forget the manners they actually do possess. Thanks to our thought provoking Alex this topic came forward for exploration.


(This post was edited by Marlene on Aug 26, 2004, 6:23 PM)


Carol Schmidt


Aug 26, 2004, 6:19 PM

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It's those wide-eyed newbies who are entranced with San Miguel and want to know everything possible about moving there ASAP who ask the impertinent questions that they wouldn't ask at home.

Once you show any kindness at all, that's an open invitation: where do you live? How much rent do you pay? Do you mind letting us see where you live? (Rarely do we actually do that--we have to like them and then they have to at least buy us dinner first!)

I'm always torn between being a helping kind of person, wanting to help a lost stranger, wanting to share my enthusiasm about SMA, and setting limits. Norma is better about it--"We're late for an appointment," she says, grabbing me by the elbow and walking away very rapidly, my mouth still flapping. If we're sitting down, she discreetly kicks me or gives me a pinch.

Back in the States, I knew of the studies that women who are the helpful sort are also the ones most likely to be robbed or attacked. Women in the helping professions such as secretary and nurse are far more likely to be raped than those who work in jobs without customer contact. I knew better than to be overly kind to a guy who asked for the time, for example--I knew I could very well be in the process of being tested for victimhood. I feel much safer here overall, and that sort of thing never enters my mind here.

But then the people I'm talking about are mostly older women who don't exactly fit the profile of rapist/robber. If somebody acted in any way suspicious I'm sure my LA street smarts would kick in. I hope.

Carol Schmidt


"El Gringo Jalapeño"


Aug 26, 2004, 7:37 PM

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Fortunately my habit of saying "Hi! How are you doing?" to wandering Gringos(or Englishmen, etc.) gave me the oportunity to meet the wonderful Ajijic couple Alan and Cecelia Cogan almost 6 years ago who introduced me to Mexico Connect(which is now an integral part of my daily life). They answered me back very kindly, we struck up a conversation and I spent the next days showing them this beautiful area of Veracruz state. I didn't expect anything but a friendly "Hi! Fine. And you?" back from them.
What urks me is when I waggingly say "Hi!" to an obvious Gringo couple and the gentleman answers with a snutty reply "No haablaarme Engleesh. Estaarh kee pah prender Spannishh!". I simple answer back in a low voice "No hay pedo, maestro. ¡Que ch*#g*n sus m*dres!". What I really enjoy is when the lady pipes in..."Joe(or whoever she is with), did he say something about mother?"
I guess one gets a harder shell and grumpier with years. Thank God for grandchildren!!!!!!!!!
Roy B. Dudley "El Gringo Jalapeño" See more about Xalapa at www.xalaparoy.com

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