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TomP

Aug 1, 2004, 8:53 AM

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SMA Cost of Living

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From everything I've read, the general consensus is that the cost of living in SMA is pretty much on the high side. I'm wondering what it is that makes it that way.
Would outright home ownership ease the burden, as opposed to renting? Could someone give me some examples of the differences they've experienced.

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Carol Schmidt


Aug 1, 2004, 11:17 AM

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Outright home ownership is what makes it high here--you can rent for far less than what you'd get for the same price in the US, while homes cost as much as in any luxury area of the US. I have friends paying as little as $270 a month for a two bedroom apt walking distance from Centro in a Mexican-owned complex, though you can pay $2000 a week if you want luxury.

To buy a house, however, is out of our options, since the cheapest condo we've seen lately anywhere near close to Centro is $160,000 now, and many homes are over $1 million. We know a couple who rented a three-bedroom, two bath house for $400 a month, were first told by a neighbor that it would probably sell for $45,000, and then they fixed it up the way gringos usually do anywhere they move. They then offered $45,000, the guy said no, they offered $75,000, he said no, they're negotiating, and the price is far, far higher already. In the two years since they moved there and began fixing it up, prices soared. Yet two of their friends are still renting a very nice house that was in excellent move-in condition near them for $250 a month. Some of it is luck. It's too far for us to walk from there to Centro but some people do. Depends on hills, too, when you're considering walking distances.

The Jack Nicklaus golf resort going up outside of town will undoubtedly have very expensive homes, and there's another golf course and a film studio complex going on outside of town, too, which may raise prices more, though it may be that the people who come for a Jack Nicklaus golf resort may stay out there primarily and only come in to town for the variety of restaurants and entertainment.

It may be that those of us living on the lower end of gringo living may not be affected. Or maybe we will. The Mexican families who are selling their family homes for high prices and then have to move way out to afford anything new for themselves are certainly affected, but they could keep their homes forever. The idea of making a half million dollars is tempting, to say the least, but their whole style of living changes when they leave luscious Centro for the campo.

You can live really cheaply in SMA if you live closer to what Mexicans live like, or you can live like a Malibu millionaire in SMA and pay Malibu prices for much of your daily living if you want. Many gringos get by on the $1100 minimum amount one needs to qualify for an FM3 (half that if you own Mexican property) and we'd be living in a dump in poverty on that amount in the US, or in a rural area without any of the amenities of a cultural mecca.

Shop at Tuesday Market for your produce, meats and poultry and fish, and daily living items and clothing, and you can live very cheaply indeed. We get a ton of fresh food for under $20 US a week, supplemented by a once-a-month ride to Costco to stock up on many kinds of foods and cleaning stuff, and an occasional visit to El Tomate for organic lettuce and inported delicacies like pickle relish and Thai food seasonings and Bisquick, etc. to fill in the gaps. At Tuesday Market, you may have to paw through a pile of clothing to find a bargain or a style you like or your size, but a friend once found an Anne Klein silk skirt for $2.50 US.

We go to Gigante once in a while for Diet Pepsi, milk and eggs and a wider range of Mexican canned foods that are very equivalent to US products--Campbell's soups that include the most common favorites like mushroom and cream of tomato but don't include chicken gumbo and split pea, and four kinds of catsup but no Heinz, for example. But you adjust or order online and pay the duty.

Cabs are still about $1.35 within city limits before 10 pm, city buses are around 35 cents, and deluxe buses to Mexico City and other areas of Mexico are very reasonable. Most gringos here don't keep a car, which is a huge savings. We keep ours but put 40,000 miles a year on it in Phoenix and only 150 miles a month here. We want to stay in Centro, and even within the closest-in four or five neighborhoods, everything is within walking distance. Our biggest luxury--we can afford to have a housekeeper come in three times a week!

Movies at the Gemelos are $1.45 before 6 pm and all day Wednesdays, and we get the most popular first-run US movies in English (not the smaller-run or artsy films, though they might show up at Villa Jacaranda or Teatro Santa Ana for around $4-5.50 later.) A really, really first-class concert might be $17 US that would cost $75 in Phoenix and $150 in New York City. Most concerts are around $9 US for the best seats, and the entertainers are top notch, from around the world.

There is so much to do here that doesn't cost a peso--just going down to the Jardin and people-watching is the greatest entertainment of all, and you'll probably stumble upon a parade or a roving band of musicians.

It's up to you on how you want to or are willing to live. We hear SMA is the second most expensive Mexican city after Cancun, but we live here on SS far better than we did in Phoenix. But the days of finding a hacienda in Centro for $50,000 are long gone.

Carol Schmidt


Cynthia7

Aug 1, 2004, 3:33 PM

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You want to know why it is expensive to live here? Many of us believe iis the best place on the planet to live. The quality of life here is very high. The climate is good; the skies are blue and clear;the people are amazing;the energy is invigrating. It is hard to put a price on these things. SMA has been discovered and that is good and not so good- really just different. If you visit and stay a while..you will see if it is for you. That's the best way find out. It can cost a lot less than US or Canada if you do your homework..


Lavanda

Aug 2, 2004, 5:12 PM

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Tom, This is just my humble little opinion,
but I believe that the reason (or part of it)
is that SMA'ers (the native Mexicans AND the expats)
enjoy living in the style to which they have been
accustomed.

In other words, the influx of dollars causes the
community to deal in dollars rather than pesos.


!! Viva Mexico, warts and all !!!




Carol Schmidt


Aug 3, 2004, 9:08 PM

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The only thing we pay in dollars, via a check on a US bank, is our rent, since our landlady prefers the checks. The exchange rate is better for her that way. Everything else is in pesos, though a very few restaurants and businesses say that they accept US dollars too.

This is a cash society and the cash is pesos. Some restaurants and stores accept credit cards, but cash in pesos is the standard. We draw out our money from the local ATMs in pesos and do our bet to hoard change, since cambio is always in short supply and small stores rarely have any change. You'd better have 15 pesos in change before you get into a taxi!

I don't want you to have the impression that you can spend dollars down here easily.

A little story: The first money I spent in Mexico was at the Holiday Inn restaurant in San Luis Potosi on our way down to SMA the first trip, and when I looked at the menu I wasn't sure whether the prices were in pesos or dollars. If they were in dollars, this was sure an expensive restaurant, but not totally unbelievable for a city Holiday Inn restaurant. If they were in pesos, this was sure a cheap restaurant! It was pesos. We got chicken enchiladas for something like $35 pesos, or $3US, rather than $35 US!

Carol Schmidt


Cynthia7

Aug 3, 2004, 10:10 PM

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My friends can't believe they can't pay everything with dollars. I tell them they can spend dollars here about like we can use pesos to pay for things in the US. If they do use them they don't get a very good rate. I have even heard people ask if the Mexicans here all speak Spanish!! Duh!! Many people say SMA has too many English speaking people. I think if they step out of the centro they will find the 90,000 or so Mexicans they can be with for days without meeting a gringo.


Lavanda

Aug 4, 2004, 9:19 AM

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Carol, thanks for clarifying.

What I "meant" was that with the influx of foreighners, which, has been going on for many decades and is nothing new, has caused the perceptions of what is a reasonable price to adjust somewhat, as has inflation.

In other words, though 35 pesos might seem cheap to we are accustomed to using dollars, to the Mexican people it may have seemed sky-high to the Mexicans. BUt, humans adjust, and the cafe charging the $35 pesos "gets away" with the price because there are enough people willing to pay that price.

I am no economist so I dont recall the correct terminology, but it has to do with the sellers' market, and supply and demand.

So oven the years, the status quo has been adjusted, because the seller could ask for a certain price in SMA and get it, and in other towns and cities where the majority are Mexican natives, they will not pay too much for the same item that
the foreigners in another town or city would not question it.



Am I making any sense or just babbling this morning?

I would still rather have my income originate in dolares than pesos, and then spend at a peso rate!


!! Viva Mexico, warts and all !!!




jennifer rose

Aug 4, 2004, 10:20 AM

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Now, I live in Morelia and only visit San Miguel de Allende. Four times this year already. It's been my impression that hotels and restaurants are less costly in San Miguel de Allende than Morelia. Perhaps it's the competition that keeps those prices down.

Last week I bought three new outfits at Girasol for about 40% less than they would've cost in Morelia, and I picked up a shirt at a store a few doors down for about half what it would've been in Morelia. I wasn't really looking for clothing, but in the rush to leave, I'd forgotten to bring a change of clothes. Of course, I also picked up three pair of the famed San Miguel Shoes, and I'll have to admit that I wouldn't have been able to find any kind of shoes (or at least that I'd be caught dead in) for that price in Morelia.

A fuse went out in my Suburban, and I got a mechanic to change it for $20 M.N.

Looking at the real estate listings, albeit in cursory fashion, I felt that real estate prices, both for rentals and sale, were lower in San Miguel de Allende than in Morelia.
 
 
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