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pedro

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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i am an avid bird hunter(so's my faithful dog howdy).
can i bring my guns with me when we move to mexico-get fm-3,fm-2orwhat?
or will i not be able to bring them?



Uncle Donnie

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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First go to the website of the Consulate General of Mexico in Denver. www.consulmex-denver.com/eng/services/hunting.html.<p>This gives info for non-resident hunters but you can use the link at the top of the page to e-mail the Consul general and ask her. She'll know much more about the situation than most of us.<p>


Jean

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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pedro

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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my question was- when i MOVE to mexico can i bring my guns(2) with me and hunt birds in season-i will not be a tourist,i will be a resident(permanent)-fm-3 or fm-2-and i'm canadian now-not u.s citizen-but thanks for your input-jean and rolly-the actual question is as a gringo -PERMANENT resident can i own guns-i don't mind having them kept at the police station until my faithful dog howdy and i are ready to hunt


Jean

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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The answer is probably yes. BUT, you are going to have to get permission from the consulate where you live. Even with that permission you could still run into problems. Obviously you can not fly. If you drive and cross the US Border you will probably need US permission. Then when you cross the Mexican border you are into another whole ballgame. You could be delayed for hours if not days as they check out your permit. Or they could just decide to turn you away. They do not need reason or logic. That does not exist here. They could also arrest you while they check you out. <p>Your best bet is to probably leave the firearms at home and buy new ones here with a permit from the local police. Even with that you could still have problems. God help you if someone gets shot down here where you live. As a gun permit holder you could become suspect and it's not like they have high technology to decide what gun it came from.<p>The whole thing if fraught with dangers for you, your family and your possessions. <p>Often you will also find that different consulates will tell you different things. Just because a consulate in Canada says yes you can take them, does not mean that you can. <p>Then you have the hunting problem. You're going to go off in the country side and hunt and as neighbors hear gunshots, it's going to be a little unsettling. Expect a visit from the local police, who once again may accept your permit and then again may not.<p>It's not like Canada, with trained police officers. You will be at the mercy of the local police and you will be seen as a gringo with money to help with their "police fund".<p>Don't forget that here you are guilty until proven innocent. Not the other way around as in Canada. <p>Personally, I would say, if you're a hunter, Mexico is not the place for you. I shudder to think of the different scenarios that could happen to you.


JB

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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Jean,<p>You seem to be constantly portraying a negative image about everything in Mexico (I am the first to admit that we have many things that have to be improved, but so does every other country in the world). Many times you do so without supporting your statements with evidence. It is only your personal belief or point of view, which lately has been wrong most of the time. I will be very specific to what I am pointing out:<p># 1
"You could be delayed for hours if not days as they check out your permit. Or they could just decide to turn you away. They do not need reason or logic. That does not exist here. They could also arrest you while they check you out."<p>Regarding this statement, every year many hunters from the US and Canada come to Mexico to hunt, and if they do everything properly, they have absolutely no problem at all. You even say that people could get arrested. Obviously you know nothing about coming to Mexico to hunt. I do, I am a hunter, and I have known many foreigners who come hunting here.
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"Your best bet is to probably leave the firearms at home and buy new ones here with a permit from the local police."

In Mexico the law allows every citizen to own up to three arms (what is prohibited, is to carry them) but you have to fulfill the following requirements: you cannot own any handgun of a caliber larger than 38. You cannot own automatic rifles, only semi-automatic hunting rifles and shotguns . You cannot own more than 50 shells or bullets for each arm. You have to register the arms before the SEDENA (Mexican Army), the police has nothing to do with permits or licenses regarding guns.
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"Even with that you could still have problems. God help you if someone gets shot down here where you live. As a gun permit holder you could become suspect and it's not like they have high technology to decide what gun it came from."<p>It is not true that every gun permit holder in Mexico could become a suspect when somebody gets shot where they live just for being a gun permit holder. You don't need high technology to determine what gun fired a certain bullet. It is a routine procedure at every police laboratory in Mexico since a long time ago.
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"The whole thing if fraught with dangers for you, your family and your possessions."<p>Because of your lack of knowledge on the matter, you are just projecting your baseless fears. Tell that to an experienced hunter who has come to Mexico, and the least he will do is laugh.
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"Then you have the hunting problem. You're going to go off in the country side and hunt and as neighbors hear gunshots, it's going to be a little unsettling. Expect a visit from the local police, who once again may accept your permit and then again may not."<p>Again lack of knowledge on the matter you are giving information and advise. In Mexico, as in every other coutry, hunting is regulated. You are given license to hunt only in certain areas (called UMAS) and certain animals. You don't go off in the country by yourself, you are in company of a guide from the UMA in which you are authorized to hunt. Every hunter knows that and never goes off by himself in somebody's property and with no authorization. The hunting areas are not close to populated areas, for obvious reasons.
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"It's not like Canada, with trained police officers. You will be at the mercy of the local police and you will be seen as a gringo with money to help with their "police fund"."<p>Again, the "victim gringo" and the corrupt Mexican stereotype. Tell that to people who frequently come to Mexico to hunt.
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"Personally, I would say, if you're a hunter, Mexico is not the place for you. I shudder to think of the different scenarios that could happen to you"<p>Lack of knowledge again, Mexico is one of the favorite places for hunters from all over the world, mostly Americans and Canadians. So, don't 'shudder', but become informed instead. Check the link below, for information regarding hunting in Mexico.
-------------<p>I really don't understand how can you be criticizing Lucy for misinforming people on these forums when you do exactly the same and even worse because you take every chance to portray a negative image of Mexico and Mexicans. There are many things that are wrong in this country and have to be corrected. But I know the difference between reality and misconception Jean. I respectfully ask you to admit that you are wrong in this case.<p>Respectfully<p>JB


Uncle Donnie

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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Pedro...

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slow down. My answer acknowledged that you were planning to retire down here. My answer still stands. Why not contact an official source rather than depending upon anecdotal information?<p>And I just re-typed in the original address I gave. It opened with no trouble. Sometimes getting these things entered correctly can be a problem. <p>Jean, thanks for the link. I'll get you to teach me how to do that.<p>


Uncle Donnie

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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me out here.<p>Could you put in the click and go link to http://travel.state.gov/gunsrel.html?<p>Pedro, as much as you may want to fight it, my initial advice seems to be what the U.S. Department of State says about moving your guns to Mexico. From this website: "The only way to legally import firearms and ammunition into Mexico is to secure a permit in advance from the Mexican Embassy in Washington, D.C. or from a Mexican Consulate in the United States." <p>Being a Canadian citizen I'd guess you need to contact the Mexican Embassy in Ottawa or one of the Mexican Consulates in Canada. Good luck.


Uncle Donnie

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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very welcome. I just want you to have a safe border crossing without having to deal with a Mexican firearms violation. From everything I've seen they do not play around. They arrested a uniformed on-duty Marine about three years ago at the border crossing in Tijuana. He had a military piece in the trunk of an official vehicle.<p>As for hunting, there are a number of lodges up in the NE part of the country around Ciudad Victoria and the region on toward the E coast, as well as lots of ranches on up near the border. Good fishing camps too, judging by the signs I see.<p>Do a Google search for Hunting in Mexico or Mexican Hunting and you'll come up with a lot I'll bet. I don't think you're going to be able to just trudge the fields down here during your bird hunt. Believe it or not much of the subsistence level bird hunting in this area is done with pellet rifles. You can buy them in many of the hardware stores in semi-rural areas.<p>I don't recognize the birds the guys bag but they look like teal or something of that size and general appearance. We also have a lot of squirrels in this area.


pedro

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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Jean, please help...

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sorry i missed your answer uncle donnie-my thanks to you too!


pedro

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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finally an answer-thanks jean.that one sentence in amongst all the visitor stuff-secure a permit from the mexican consulate(in my case-ottawa,not washington).hope they give me one when we move,it's bad enough that i can't find any other old farts to play hockey in guad with me-at least it looks like my faithful dog howdy and i will still be able to persue a few birds to keep in shape in our declining years.


Uncle Donnie

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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very welcome. I just want you to have a safe border crossing without having to deal with a Mexican firearms violation. From everything I've seen they do not play around. They arrested a uniformed on-duty Marine about three years ago at the border crossing in Tijuana. He had a military piece in the trunk of an official vehicle.<p>As for hunting, there are a number of lodges up in the NE part of the country around Ciudad Victoria and the region on toward the E coast, as well as lots of ranches on up near the border. Good fishing camps too, judging by the signs I see.<p>Do a Google search for Hunting in Mexico or Mexican Hunting and you'll come up with a lot I'll bet. I don't think you're going to be able to just trudge the fields down here during your bird hunt. Believe it or not much of the subsistence level bird hunting in this area is done with pellet rifles. You can buy them in many of the hardware stores in semi-rural areas.<p>I don't recognize the birds the guys bag but they look like teal or something of that size and general appearance. We also have a lot of squirrels in this area.


Jean

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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pedro

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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thanks jb,unfortunatly i am faaar from fluent in spanish-can anyone direct me to an english language site?


Jean

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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I hate to ask, but just what kind of birds do you expect find here? Maybe some other hunters could weigh in on this one.<p>If not, Pedro, you might want to take the question over to the General Forum and see if you can get some other peoples opinions.<p>I still think it's a scary proposition coming to Mexico and using a gun. But...hey, your a big boy and if you know the way things work here and are willing to work with that system, it's your choice.<p>


pedro

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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i here there's pretty good pheasant hunting and the duck and geese that i don't get here(plenty of those-some times the way howdy looks at me, i think she'd like to trade me in for a better shot)eventually end up in mexico for the winter(REAL snowbirds-LOL)


JB

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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In north-eastern Mexico -Nuevo Leon, Coahuila, Tamaulipas, and Chihuahua States- there are a lot of hunting ranches. You have to pay a fee to get a permit to hunt, besides the permit to bring your guns to Mexico and you have to become a member of a Hunting Club in Mexico in order to be able to get all the permits and licenses needed. Hunting is an expensive sport in Mexico. Check the link below.


Uncle Donnie

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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Pedro, look at www.mexonline.com/huntmex.htm.<p>Jean told me how to do the links but if it doesn't work you still have this.


pedro

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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my outlook express would not recognize the address you gave me-but thanks for trying uncle donnie.do you know of any "gringos" at all that own a gun down there?


Uncle Jack

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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I keyed in Mexico, hunting, doves, ducks and got 21,000 hits. <p>http://www.google.com/search?as_q=Mexico+hunting&num=10&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=&as_oq=doves+ducks&as_eq=&lr=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=&safe=images


Rolly

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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Pedro, try the clicker below.


Rolly

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Oops -- try again

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Loco

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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Oops -- try again (this is a gun handling exercise Rolly)

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careful


Rolly

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