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Rocky57


Jun 6, 2004, 5:07 PM

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Hi soon to be neighbors. I will be in the area in about a month and staying at a B&B until I find a more permanent place to hang my hat. So, for a while I will have to use an Internet Cafe to do my NotB financial business. I used a couple of different ones while I was down there last summer and remember thoughts of 'just how secure are these places' crossing my mind once or twice. I use hotmail for web based e-mail & I am not overly concerned about that but banks & investment accesses do concern me. Would you (or do you) feel secure entering your signon information at these local businesses? I have my own protection software, as do most of you I'm sure, on my personal laptop. But do the local businesses? I have heard too many stories about scams and ripoffs NotB not to be a little concerned. Just recently heard about a device that crooks attach to ATM's and record information off of the magnetic strips on the cards inserted. Seems stealing signon information on a LAN would not be that difficult.

Hope I am not being paranoid. Just want to not take too many silly, unnecessary risks.

Thanks for your input.
The Elusive Grandpa Laugh



esperanza

Jun 6, 2004, 6:21 PM

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My neighbor on the corner who lives here part time has had some remodeling going on at home which has left him without electricity or phone service. He's been using an Internet café fairly frequently. He told me just the other day that he'd had some security problems--other users looking over his shoulder to copy his passwords, for example--that caused him serious problems in some areas of his business dealings. His is the only complaint I've heard about this, but if there's one, there are probably more.

I think the crucial points are to log on with care to the websites you're using, protecting the keystrokes of your password from view, and then LOG OFF carefully and close the browser window before you leave the Internet café. Those are just common sense precautions anyway, when logging on from a public place.




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Rolly


Jun 6, 2004, 6:33 PM

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I would add one more thing. Clear the History, Cookies and Temp Internet files before you leave. On IE, pull down Tools>Internet Options.

Of course you'll probably be dealing with the Spanish version, so you'll have to learn a few words. Which I did and then promptly forgot them after I got a phone line at my house.

Rolly Pirate


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Jun 6, 2004, 6:36 PM

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Rocky:
If I remember right, you are coming to Ajijic and you indicated you would be using your laptop. Why not go to the Ajijic CIA coffee shop. Not only do they have good coffee but serve good Mexican, Persian, and US food. Bring your laptop with you and connect to the internet via one of several Ethernet connections they offer. If you do not know where it is, it's across the street from TelMex (the local telephone company) in a two story building with very high antennas on the roof, just one block west of the Buganvilla shopping center. The coffee shop is on the first floor of the building and they offer secure broadband connections using Lagunanet (www.laguna.com.mx) as their Internet Service Provider (ISP)

By using your own laptop you eliminate the problem of leaving settings on a public computer. And also the
ethernet work stations are tabletops where should you desire, you can place your chair against the wall, making it impossible for anyone to get behind you.

Oh, by the way, the tall antennas are owned by the ISP who use them to provide fixed WiFi broadband internet service to the public and those initials do not stand for a SECRET US GOVERMENT AGENCY but rather for "Cafe Internet Ajijic"


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kirkswig


Jun 7, 2004, 12:45 AM

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I more or less want to echo what everybody else is saying, that if you're using your own laptop and you're careful to not let people peek over your shoulder (remembering that webcams are a dime-a-dozen these days) then you're probably OK. Probably.

I would most urgently recommend that no one ever use a computer at a Cafe for anything important. Even measures like cleaning out caches and closing browser windows aren't sufficient. There is always the possibility that someone could have installed key logging software on the computer (after all, they are publicly accessible) and even steps taken by the administrator to thwart such activity are not at all effective if the computer is running Windows (it's probably true regardless of the operating system being run, but Windows has the most widely-known exploits.)

Another thing to watch out for are key logging hardware devices. A popular one is called KeyGhost. These get plugged into the computer when the keyboard normally gets plugged in, then the keyboard gets plugged into the key logger. Anyone can install these things one day and remove them the next and obtain everything you've typed into the computer, passwords and all. What a disaster if you log into your bank/investment account and somebody grabs the password, I mean, literally, a person could spend all his life amassing his nest egg and lose all of it in a day.

The laptop is probably OK. Other users of the Cafe and bystanders won't pose much of a threat. However, you are putting a great deal of faith in the proprietor of the cafe. In theory, a person with access to the networking hardware between you and your bank could intercept enough of the communication to know which bank you frequent. While it's true that he wouldn't be able to read any of the data exchanged, he could himself log on to the bank and copy enough html and graphics to create a dummy website that looks just like your bank, then, because he has access to the network hardware you're using, he could redirect subsequent accesses by you to your bank to his dummy website. You think you're logging on to your bank as usual, but in reality you're logging on to his web site, i.e., you're effectively giving him your bank password.

To give you an idea of what you're up against, here's my plan for critical network access (banking, investments, email) once I'm in Mexico. I run a variant of Linux called Gentoo which allows me to have near absolute control over what gets installed on my machine. Every time I install or update software, I run a program that will register the changes to files (new files or updated files) in a way that lets me later check and see whether or not any files have been added or have changed without my knowledge (say, as the result of a trojan horse or virus.) Because I'm running Linux it means that I'm not running Internet Explorer as my browser or Outlook Express as my email client, which renders me immune to 99.9% of the malware that is out there, moreover, my browser and email software is configured to never, ever open attachments without my explicit permission.

On top of that, I plan on leasing myself a state-side server at an outfit like serverbeach.com on which will run either Linux or OpenBSD and through which I will conduct my critical web browsing. While a man-in-the-middle may be able to spoof my bank's website, they will not be able to spoof my own server. My connection to this server will be encrypted, just as the connection to the bank is encrypted, however the difference is that anyone can log on to my bank and copy the website to create a spoof whereas only I can log on to my server, i.e., they will have no way of fabricating a compelling spoof. Of course, the service provider hosting my server could perform a similar spoof, but their liability/risk would be much greater, and I would have clear recourse. It isn't clear to me what my recourse would be were the same to happen to me in Mexico.

I'm probably being a little paranoid here, but not by much. Criminals will always find a way to liberate you from your money. It's only a matter of time before exploits like the one I'm guarding against here will become commonplace. It's one thing to have your wallet pickpocketed. It's quite another to give someone access to your entire financial portfolio.

For what it's worth.

To boldly go where no wig has gone before.


Rocky57


Jun 7, 2004, 2:03 PM

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Thanks for all the good information. I knew I felt uneasy for a reason! I knew the software existed to capture key strokes and that was part of my concern. I always watch to make sure no one is behind me when I am signing on a site but that doesn't mean I would always catch them. The small cameras are something I never even thought about. Guess I was in an honest place or was just plain lucky.

Pete, I know and have used the internet cafe you mentioned. I went in and used their machines in the cubes and felt pretty secure. I saw the cafe next door but didn't realize that there was an upstairs where I could use my own machine. Is this the same internet cafe http://www.cia-ajijic.com/ ?

Thanks again.
The Elusive Grandpa Laugh


johanson / Moderator


Jun 7, 2004, 5:57 PM

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The Ethernet cables are on the first floor in the Cafe Internet Ajijic. which is the same internet cafe you mentioned. Go to the rear of the CIA on the left side. There you will find 3 small tables, two of which have Ethernet cables next to them that you can plug into your laptop.

Located on the second floor is the Internet Service Provider that the CIA uses. I only mentioned their location in passing.
 
 
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