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johnv

Mar 25, 2004, 3:42 PM

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I was wondering just how important it actually is to use a voltage stabilizing device in Mexico and what appliances would require one. I have heard that appliances purchased here are not sensitive to the fluctuations. I was hoping someone could elaborate on this subject. Any information would be welcomed. I was paying my Telmex bill the other day and noticed that they had Koblenz voltage regulators for sale in the lobby which makes me wonder whether I should be using one here.



johanson / Moderator


Mar 25, 2004, 8:26 PM

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Yes John the equipment here is built to wider tolerances, and the voltage does tend vary by a much wider amount than up North. Right now my line voltage is 114 sometimes I see it as low as 108. In the morning I often see it closer to 127, which I am told is standard here.

I have a friend who lives East of Chapala where his line voltage he says is regularly above 140 and where he is constantly replacing electronic stuff from light bulbs up

I have also experienced power surges and brown-outs. And the power is close to but not exactly 60 cycles per second. I have 5 (made for Mexico) Refrigerators and/or freezers that have NO protection and that are more than 10 years old and have not failed. I did turn them off though during a 3 day brown-out

I have sensitive electronic gear like computers that not only do I have a voltage regulator for but also a surge protector and a back up UPS. Every techy I know protects his sensitive equipment this way

These surge protectors are connected to a real ground. Oh and don't forget to run your dialup connection telephone lines through the surge protector as well.

Also don't forget protection for such items as satellite receivers.


(This post was edited by johanson on Mar 25, 2004, 8:30 PM)


johnv

Mar 26, 2004, 3:17 PM

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Re: [johanson] AC Voltage Regulators

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Pete, thanks for the info. I bought the Koblenz unit from Telmex this afternoon and hooked it into all my computer equipment. I notice the voltage regulator has an in and out for the phone line also. However my phone line is already running in and out of my surge supressor. Would you know if I should run the phone line in and out of both the surge supressor and the voltage regulator, and if so, which unit should it run through first?


johanson / Moderator


Mar 26, 2004, 3:41 PM

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Re: [johnv] AC Voltage Regulators

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The surge protector is all you need. Just make sure that the surge protector is grounded. Because if there is a surge, the excess power will be shunted to the ground, you know, the big circular pin in your plug.

Remember, just because you have a three prong receptacle for the plug into doesn't mean that the wiring to the receptacle is correctly connected.


Los Gringos

Apr 12, 2004, 8:47 AM

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Are the surge protectors that are available in Mexico similar to those offered elsewhere? If so, are they comparably priced?


johanson / Moderator


Apr 12, 2004, 1:38 PM

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Most folks buy surge protectors once they get here. I don't remember the cost but it wasn't out of line.


Marlene


Apr 12, 2004, 9:02 PM

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We bought a good heavy duty surge protector in Sam's Club here in Mazatlān. Don't ask me anything more than it is a square grey box with lots of places to plug things in and we plug everything including the telephone and desktop lamp into it. So far, so good after more than 3 years of constant use.

I honestly think one for the kitchen would be a good idea for me, because our microwave needed repairs after only one year of use. The old house we live in experiences many power surges and I know this because I can hear the clicking from the grey box behind my computer.


Adrian

Jun 15, 2004, 4:17 PM

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After reading the replies in this thread and thinking of my own experience here in central Tampico, where the wall voltage regularly hits 140V, I would like to offer the following. This is based on experience and a little prior knowledge.

1.Any item with a "switch mode power supply" is pretty tolerant of wide variations in input power and frequency. This includes most modern TVs, PCs and monitors. Switch mode supplies can be distinguished by the need to produce either very high voltages (such as found in a monitor or TV) or a wide range of high-current power. The characteristic of a switch mode supply is that output voltage is required to be rock steady over a wide range of input power levels. It is possible to blow these units, but difficult as they are usually quite conservatively rated.

2.Anything with a transformer is in danger of being damaged by high power surges but not necessarily by low power brownouts. This includes most lower-end electronics (such as stereos, clock radios etc). The characteristic of a transformer is that output power rises as the input power rises. It is this secondary high voltage that causes the damage. It is wise to protect these items with an outboard voltage regulator.

3. Anything with a directly connected motor or heating element (washers, hairdryers, food processors, stoves, AC units) MAY be damaged if run for extended periods at a higher or lower voltage. If the line voltage is high then a motor will run faster and hotter but if it is too low then a motor will labour and run hot as well and, usually, be more susceptible to damage. Most white goods do not have electronics that may be damaged by voltage spikes.

4.220V AC units, in order to be damaged, would require a spike or surge on both phases simultaneously. This is possible but not likely and damage is not usual. Again, running an AC compressor on high voltage is less likely to cause damage than running it at a lower voltage. I reccomend 220V mini splits or window units rather than 110V as they would be less sensitive to voltage changes - the power requirement being split across 2 supplies rather than 1.

Finally, I run all my workshop power through a 15A variable transformer to keep it in the 115-117V range but this is because I run a lot of voltage-sensitive tube radio gear as well as having transformer driven 240V power supplies. In fact, as I write, the wall voltage is 132V but my workshop is at 114V.


johanson / Moderator


Jun 15, 2004, 7:08 PM

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Hey Adrian. Great comments. I live in a neighborhood in Ajijic where the voltage is usually pretty close to 115 to 120 volts. My problem is that my neighborhood has real 3 phase so trying to get 220 just can not be done. Darn.

I have a good friend who lives maybe 10 miles East of me, (4 miles each of Chapala) who often has line voltage just like yours.

You've got to be an electrician down here, just to survive :)



mkdutch

Jun 15, 2004, 8:32 PM

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I am really interested in your "transformer"? What make, model, etc, and where do you get this in Mexico?

I have a UPS/voltage regulator for my Satellie tv receiver and associated electronics, but the voltage at the plug of the UPS is still 121volts or higher. Some of my equipment specifies 110 to 120 volts, and I worry that it may be damaged by the electrical here in Chula Vista. Our input voltage from the electric company often runs up to 136 volts. Any suggestions you have would be appeciated.

Thanks,
Kay


Adrian

Jun 16, 2004, 5:01 AM

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Kay
You raise another interesting issue that, perhaps, requires a few words.

A true 'UPS' is an 'Uninterruptable Power Supply' and is usually a large heavy box containing some very large heavy batteries and associated electronics. In the event of a blackout (or brownout), a UPS will continue to provide power for whatever appliance it is connected to for 10 minutes or so - originally so that computers may be shut down safely or carried for a few moments until backup generators, for example, could be started.

A 'voltage regulator' is just as it says. It takes the incoming voltage and controls it to provide a steady output. BUT, these devices are just appliances and have a maximum working voltage. I suspect that you suffered the same problem I had with low-end units (I had 2 from from Sam's Club here in Tampico). Where their maximum input voltage was exceeded at 130V, they simply refused to work and behaved as though they were not there!

My variable transformer is a 15A 240V model by General Electric and came with me from England...I bought it used many years ago and I am sure they are fairly expensive. To get 240V on one wire (for European appliances) I have power tool transformers from England - these are big, heavy and bright yellow - that cost about $75 each as they are very common there on construction sites. Two of them are wired 'backwards' (ie: the in/out connections are reversed) to a bank of UK style power outlets.


johanson / Moderator


Jun 16, 2004, 10:51 AM

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In those parts of the states I have lived in, normal line voltage was close to 120 or slightly less. And our US equipment is made to work with this voltage plus or minus some small amount (unknown to me). I have been told that normal line voltage in Mexico isn't 120 but 127 or 131 volts. I know every light bulb I have ever purchased in Jalisco says 130 volts on it.

If my assumption is true that standard voltage is higher in Mexico, wouldn't it be normal for these Mexican manufactured voltage regulators to allow 130 volts to pass through to your equipment? Wouldn't it be better to buy voltage regulators in the states for those items that don't like high voltage? Or are some available that don't allow 130 volts to pass through?

I know some of the older, heavy, heat producing, inefficient, very large voltage regulators you find at garage sales seem to work well and usually do not allow high voltage to pass through.


mkdutch

Jun 16, 2004, 4:13 PM

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The UPS/VR that I have is probably 8 or 10 years old, and was purchased, still in the original box, by a friend of mine at a garage sale in the US for $20, about two years ago.. I tried to get some information about it on the internet, but apparently the company that made them has been bought out, or gone out of business. It is a Deltec PowerRite Pro UPS. It was originally made for PC Server equipment. Replacement batteries are still available, though not from the original company. Besides having the battery backup, it also has a "boost and buck" tap system for output regulation (whatever that means), and a bi-directional filter for power conditioning. It even has a dip switch that lets me silence the audible alarm, so I don't get awakened every night when the power gets goofy. It really is a great product, except that it just can't get that 136 volt input regulated down to under 120 volts. I have seen stuff on the internet with similar capabilities, but I don't have $1200 to spend, plus import fees to get it here.

Oh, well.

Kay


D.G.

Jun 17, 2004, 7:09 AM

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You can buy 130 volt light bulbs easily in the United States. We regularly use them, because they give much longer life, due to their voltage rating. The light output doesn't differ significantly from the standard models.


johanson / Moderator


Jun 17, 2004, 9:26 AM

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You stated that you could easily buy the 130 volt bulbs in the states, because they last longer, and that was my original thought. But I am told that here in Mexico, the normal voltage is near 130 Volts. I was hoping there was some expert out there who might be able to shed light on this matter.

All I know is that in my neighborhood, things are getting better, there are fewer power outages, and the voltage is more stable staying close to 120 volts. That sure beats the 130 to 140 volts some of you are experiencing.


Adrian

Jun 17, 2004, 11:37 AM

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I asked my electrician to contact the CFE to have them tell us what the standard voltage is supposed to be. They say it is nominally 117V with a tolerance of +10% or -4%. This gives a range of approx. 113V to 128V.

So how does that gel with some of the phenomenally high voltages we get here in Tampico? 140V at the wall is +20% over!

Adrian


mkdutch

Jun 18, 2004, 8:07 AM

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Last year we called the CFE to come check our voltage level. I had my handy-dandy Radio Shack digital voltmeter, which I hooked up, and it displayed 132volts. I showed it to the guys from the electric company. The just looked at it and shrugged, like "so what is your problem?" They went to a neighbors house, and it showed about the same. They didn't do anything. They left.
 
 
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