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John Bragg

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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Amigos del Lago and Lake Chapala

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Any questions regarding Amigos del Lago and/or Lake Chapala can be directed to me. I will try to answer them to the best of my ability or refer you to a knowledgeable resource.
John



David McL

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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Amigos del Lago and Lake Chapala

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John;<p>Perhaps it would be wise to establish your 'bona fides" before posting that all such questions should go to you.<p>Just wanting to ensure clarification before this posting results in challenges etc.<p>David<p>


John Bragg

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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Problems with rumor mongers

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Our website "Amigos del Lago' is currently being updated and should be up and running in a week.
You can contact me at bragg@panchos.com and I will see that someone contacts you. We are always happy to welcome new "helpers" to the group.
John


John Bragg

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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Amigos del Lago and Lake Chapala

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First let me say that I didn't mean to imply that all questions SHOULD go to me, only that anyone could feel free to send me a question,
Secondly I want to be clear that I do not consider myself to be an expert on Lake Chapala, but, I think that my academic background gives me at least a better than average ability to decipher the technical data on the subject, additionally I have done a reasonable amount of current study of such topics as hydrology, eutrophic systems shallow lake limnology, sedimentary facies, and technical studies specific to Lake Chapala. I am also one of the advisory group working with Aurora Michel, President of Amigos del Lago. In this capacity I have been privy to all correspondence between Amigos del Lago and the various governmental agencies, NGO's and academic support groups. Almost all of this information is first hand and I am happy to share it with anyone wishing to become better aquainted with the challenges facing Lake Chapala and it's largest support group, Amigos del Lago.
John


David McL

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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Thanks!

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EXACTLY!
Thanks John. This will help further discussions greatly.<p>My question is:
Could you update the Forum readers regarding proceedings since the Announcement of probationary inclusion?<p>If you would like to make such updates a regular occurrence, that would certainly be helpful.<p>David


Concerned about the Lake

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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Problems with Amigos del Lago

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People should be aware that all is not well with Amigos del Lago. Rumors are rampant, but the truth is that in early September Aurora dismissed the entire group who worked so hard to get Lake Chapala accepted by Living Lakes. These people were the Board of Directors and the heads of committees who have given countless hours and who are totally dedicated to saving the lake. This dismissal occurred because the "board" (they thought they were the board of directors, until Aurora, around Sept. 9, produced a copy of by-laws, never voted upon nor seen by anyone, which resulted in their non-existence as board members) questioned a possible conflict of interest concerning Aurora which was never satisfactorally answered. This situation came to light in Pretoria during the Living Lakes conference, and almost resulted in Lake Chapala being dropped by Living Lakes even prior to the presentation.<p>Aurora has her small group of supporters, but the main body of movers and shakers have been dismissed or resigned in protest. This group is still dedicated to saving Lake Chapala and is looking for other groups to associate with which will be more effective in saving the Lake. <p>


Cristina

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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Problems with rumor mongers

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Do you have a web site or contact info in case people want to get involved?


John Bragg

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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Correction

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A correction to my response to rumors.
Living Lakes paid for hotel, food and local transportation for Aurora Michel, President of Amigos del Lago, during the days of the conference in South Africa. All other expenses including her airfare to South Africa were paid by Aurora from her personal funds.
John


John Bragg

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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Problems with rumor mongers

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I find it very revealing that the person making these uncorroborated statements doesn't have the honesty to sign their statement.
Earlier this year Dr Hendrik Hoeck of Living Lakes visited Amigos del Lago President Aurora Michel and spent several days observing the area and discussing lake matters with her. Before leaving he reiterated the importance of Auroras's presence at the South African Conference. He said that four lakes had been invited to make presentations and that one would be selected for probationary membership (it turned out that all 4 were selected!)he further stated that in order for ADL to have legitimacy and to generate enough funds to operate an office that we would need a minimum of 2000 members and that from his experience 5000 would be better. Aurora's travel expenses to South Africa were covered by Living Lakes.
The rumors that surfaced at the conference were circulated by a group attempting a power grab. None of the charges were substantiated nor have they been to date. The officials at the conference were not taken in by this blatant mudslinging and at no time was Lake Chapalas selection in question. The officials asked for explanations and they were satisfied, since then they have been sent documentation refuting all the tabloid charges made in South Africa. Aurora has received letters from the Presidency of Global Nature Fund and Living Lakes congratulating her on the accomplishments to date and advising her not to be distracted by the rumors of malcontents, that "all organizations go through this and emerge stronger".
Living Lakes advised Aurora that now that Amigos del Lago was part of an international effort that we had to be very careful to follow all the bylaws of our organization and the parent organizations.
Upon Aurora's return to Ajijic she met with legal counsel and advisors to review the bylaws and actions that had been taken in the past year, a period in which she and the Board were under tremendous pressure to build membership, establish a working office and develop programs. During this period many things were accomplished, some of them not quite by the books, but done for the right reasons. The ADL attorney pointed out that Aurora and the Board, in their rush to get things going, had appointed new Board Members and Committee heads without going through the proper procedures. As a result none of these people could legally act in behalf of or represent ADL and that there were only four legal Board Members, the President, Vice President, Treasurer and Secretary, all the others were members only, no different than any other member of ADL. His advice was to advise these people of the fact, hold a meeting to reappoint, have the membership vote for approval (as required) and then carry on as before.
An information meeting was called, all of the former "Board" and Committee heads were informed of this. They were invited to attend a meeting set 6 or 7 days after that to discuss reorganization and reappointment of Committee Heads, which would be followed by a vote of approval by the general membership. Some of the group accepted the situation and continued to work for the Lake, others chose to resign for their own individual reasons (one of these people went so far as to erase the Amigos el Lago web page) . The bylaws "that no one has seen" referred to by our "mystery" writer is the notarized charter of the organization, as you can see from the above no one was "dismissed". This person casually throws around terms like "conflict of interest", put your money where your mouth is, lets see some documented proof of this statement!!<p>All is very well at Amigos del Lago, this past week a Technical Action Plan was developed in conjunction with the University of Guadalajara, details of the plan will be announced shortly. ADL has been invited to present 4 project proposals to the University of North Texas, if selected these proposals will receive funding from a $2.5 million grant.
Aurora has an ongoing dialogue with Victor Lichtinger, Secretary of Environment and Natural Resources.
Aurora has been invited by ILEC to make a presentation at their next conference. Many things are being developed for the good of the Lake, this work is being carried ahead by the people who really do care for the Lake.
I think everyone should remember that for ten years Aurora and a small group of people have carried on this work and it is a result of their efforts that got us invited to South Africa, the "new" group was very helpful preparing for the presentation in South Africa but they had nothing to do with getting us there! It was Auroras words and her sincerity which got Amigos del Lago invited to Japan and Canada and what she said at those conferences is what eventually got us invited to and selected by Living Lakes in South Africa.<p>


Reader

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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Ex-Pats Can't Go On The Record When New Is Bad

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How is a foreigner expected to “sign” a negative statement against a Mexican? Everything is fine
when a foreigner praises a national on the record but the opposite is not so easy and can run the
risk of deportation.


Dutch

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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Correction

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Hats off to you, John, and especially Aurora Michel for helping Mexico work toward a long-term solution to Chapala Laguna's problems. You are truly "putting your money where your mouth is". The massive infusion of funds necessary to eventually solve the problems, mostly up-river, will come from elsewhere - but it is the leadership of people like you that call attention to, create an interest in, and foster the conviction and desire to take action that will determine success or failure. Hope you know that there are many who wish you well and truely appreciate your efforts on behalf of Mexico's jewel, Lake Chapala.
 
 
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