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FYI

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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Why do residents in ALC pretend they don't know about it?

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If you are so well informed -and I know you already know about this because it has been in the news since yesterday- why don't you comment on the gringo arrested yesterday october/14 at Lakeside in Riberas del Pilar for child-pornography?. They found nine naked girls -teenagers and children- at his house, along with thousands of photographs of naked minors. He is a retired teacher who had been convicted in the US for molestation. This information is relevant to those interested in the Ajijic/Lake Chapala Area. I hope David doesn't delete this post. Let's comment on this issue too. As well as on the other gringo in Puerto Vallarta who was involved in child-pornography and prostitution but managed to escape a few months ago. These, as well as others, are problems that affect the area and should be discussed in this forum.

Not there to re-act

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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Shame I am traveling, or we would make sure this pervert got "shanked" in the jail. Just like they do in prison. Imagine the image problem for you yanks!

Laura

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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what just happened in Riberas del pilar is just a consecuence of the very big child porno net run by some americans and MEXICANS freaks, that was caught in guadalajara a few months ago, by the police, by the way this is the first big porno net that is being caught in latin america, so many heads will be folling down from now and then. I think we have to support the police and the goverment becuase finally they are working in this very important issue. I ll like to thank the foreign community for their help and concern about the things that happens in my country!

Chris

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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What can we expats do...My husband (a retired educator) and many of the other gringoes here do volunteer work in and for the local public schools. A first thought might be that some school program would help to educate the youngsters on how to shield themselves from these perverts. But trying to educate parents and children about the problems you have detailed is thorny. The people of Ajijic are certainly not going to allow the gringoes to dictate what is or isn't taught in their schools. The natural reticence of the Mexican parents means they might not even want such a thing brought up! The average Mexican girl is raised to be a lot more quiet, and non verbal/submissive than a girl from America or Canada. It is hard to change a culture, nor do we have any right to do so! All we can do is condemn the people who did this, insist that they be prosecuted to the full extent and try to keep an eye on the children we are in contact with on a daily basis. There are signs that even a submissive child can't hide if this is going on. Sorry but being outraged and watchful is about all we can do

brad

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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If I recall correctly, one of the people arrested last summer was an American working in Guadalajara as a grade school teacher. Many Mexican parents do teach their kids, both male and female, to speak out when someone exhibits strange behavior.There were some commercials run on Mexican TV a few years back telling children how to be watchful for these type of predators. Sometimes the bad person was a total stranger and other times a friend or family member. It always ended with the caution "Ojo, mucho ojo". And the very popular children's entertainer Chabelo broadcast a similar message on his show and used the same "ojo" phrase. I think Mexican parents might be a little more receptive than you think to something similar to the commercial or Chabelo's message being used to show grade schoolers what to watch out for. Especially now that it has been discovered in their own community.

Uncle Donnie

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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Thank you Chris,

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you did an excellent job of defining all aspects of the situation. It's a shame there's not a pre-emptive solution that would be 100% effective. Many lives are destroyed because of these people.

Uncle Jack

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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Strange that you should mention it....

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A month or so ago I got a big ration of crap from a couple of different posters both here on this forum and by e-mail. I had suggested to two individual posters that in Mexico it was not wise to involve children in either their gay lifestyle or in their drinking escapades.I was accused of being obsessed by the subject and trying to suggest that Lakeside was over run with "Dirty Old Men" I never suggested any such thing, but in retrospect, I guess that there was at least one "Dirty Old Man".

jack

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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are you implying??

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are you implying there's something unique about gringos as porn freaks? I don't think so-this type of stuff goes on everywhere; crazies and sickos come with many different passports. did you see the story about the 11 bodies found in a truck in Iowa. I heard on the news yesterday that they were thinking the folks were illegal Mexican immigrants and a smuggling ring in Mexico was behind it all. there's a lot of bad stuff in the world and no one nationality has a monopoly on it.

Lucy

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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When I lived in PV, this was not uncommon. Seems like perverts from the US, Canada and Europe thought PV was the right place to practice their perversion. There are lots of street kids there. The police do their best to round these kids up every night. they do a wonderful job. They also patrol the places the beach area frequently.I spent some time in Costa Rica. This is what the major crime problems there started with. Pimps find young kids, get them hooked on drugs and sell them to the perverts. When they get too old to attract the perverts, they are set free. They still have their drug habits but no money source. They form gangs to rob and beat people on the street. The police and courts do little to help the kids or help them with their drug habit. They don't arrest them either.. This is usually kept hush hush to tourists. Most San Jose hotels will tell you not to be on the streets after dark unless you are in a large group.. What a life...Hopes this isn't in Mexico's future.

Uncle Donnie

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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You have a good point but...

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what specifically do you think the residents can do about this kind of activity?

FYI

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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You have a good point but...

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At least, express disagreement and condemn it.

Hank

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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Thats what you've done.

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Zapata Bob

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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Perverts and Child Pornographers

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Not a good subject it is so detestable! As a grandfather with 11 beautiful, wonderful grandchildren my suggestion would be one of these! Casteration or the gallows. Or maybe sharks!

Jeanne Chaussee

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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Nothing is more revolting than child pornography and the realtively common practice among foreigners to exploit poverty for their own gratification. This practice is not new here. I have actually been acquainted with foreign business men here who had harems, both male and female and none of the cases were secret. What is new is that Mexican society and officials are finally admitting its existance and may even do something about it. Check out the Guadalajara Reporter Saturday, October 19, for more on the story.

ian

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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Child molestation is an evil thing and it exists. Interesting how the incarcerated folks deal with child molesters. It is so fundamental for a society(any society) to protect its children that some kind of awareness program for the community might be a good thing. Can a vigilant community help to nab some of these creeps? I hope so.
Disclaimer: I'm not yet a resident but this is a big local issue wherever local happens to be. Do any of the posters have experience with awareness programs?

Rafael

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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Why do you call those guys "perverts" they are Criminals, period. It is a crime to abuse children, punishment should be mandatory.
What people do in their personal life is nobody's business as long as they do not touch on minors.

Jim Bentein

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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De acuerdo. I have a three-year old grandchild. If I found out some sickie was messing with her I'd learn how to handle a handgun real fast (and I'm a Canuck - and we don't like guns).

Jim Bentein

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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I think part of the problem is the legal system in Mexico. Fact is, as detailed in several recent articles in the News, the police don't take sexual abuse seriously, especially if it's against women (and, by extension, girls). The crime of rape essentially is rarely prosecuted. I know a few months ago, a friend who was living there at the time (he since has moved) told me the police came to arrest a next door neighbour (in Chapala) for child molestation. My friend found out this person had a history of this kind of disgusting behaviour and was wanted on arrest warrants in the U.S. for such crimes. He assumed he would be deported or end up in jail. But when my friend moved, months after the police had visited the pervert, the man was still there - and looking like he would be around for awhile. One possible step is to talk to the U.S. and Canadian consulates to see what they can do. At the least, they should be able to put some pressure on the Mexicans to extradite these scum of the earth.Luego

Uncle Jack

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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SAY WHAT????????

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"If I found out some sickie was messing with her I'd learn how to handle a handgun real fast (and I'm a Canuck - and we don't like guns)Jim;Isn't that kinda like dispising all lawyers until you really need one? Then you want the meanest, nastiest, most savage SOB you can find.?