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May 30, 2003, 6:01 PM

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Shown below is a post I made on another forum. The folks there were asking and commenting about the two internet service providers available. There were some rather strong moments, both pro and con about Lagunanet and prodigy, the two most popular ISPs lakeside.

I pointed out that if the reader didn't like either that he could connect to the internet via two way satellite, and mentioned that one of the internet ISPs was direcway but that the reader had better know how to install the system himself and then I further post this, which I hope you will find interesting

It's amazing. You either love or hate your ISP be it Prodigy or Lagunanet. Sadly many of you who are very sure that one or the other is bad or good are basing your decision on limited incomplete information.

Now before you Spam me, that's not your fault. B
ased upon the info you have, I probably would come up with the same conclusion. I write technical articles for a Guad newspaper. In order to stay sharp I volunteered at both prodigy and lagunanet to answer tech questions several hours per day. Only lagunanet has a local office so I volunteer there. Because of that I have access to their data base.

I see how many people are hooked up, at any one time. I see when only a few or most of the ISPs modems are being used. And very occasionally when all seem to be used. That's when you get a busy signal.
I look at the statistics. I see how some users regularly stay on line 3 to 4 hours at a time, I see how others never (can or do) stay on line more than 10 or 15 minutes at a time..

Some of those who can't stay hooked up are always phoning up and complaining. When I question them about their modem or their telephone lines, some of them get mad at me, thinking I am trying to blame them for something they know is Lagunabet's fault. And when I suggest that just maybe, there are things they can do at their end to make their connection better, some of them get down right ornery


All I can tell them is that I have two telephone lines at home, one newer and one older, and that I have three computers each with telephone modems. One telephone line works much better than the other and my US robotics modem works much better than the standard modem supplied by my HP or Compaq


With my best modem and the best line I can stay on for hours. But with my newest computer, I have to redial often and can not stay on line more than 10 to 20 minutes at a time.
And yes, the more persons using the phone system, (the phone system not lagunanet or prodigy) the harder it seems to be to stay on line with lagunanet even when lagunanet isn't busy

SO WHAT I AM SAYING IS, yes each ISP has it's shortcomings, but usually there is much YOU can do to make your connection MUCH BETTER. In fact that seems to be the situation about 90% of the time. Often simply replacing your modem makes a difference.


Hey I went wireless and never have to re-dial. I only use my telephone modems about once per month to confirm that everything is working.



(This post was edited by DavidMcL on May 30, 2003, 7:25 PM)



ET

May 30, 2003, 11:11 PM

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Re: [johanson] "Glutinous With Self-Approbation" Pocket Protectors Sold Here

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Peter Johanson writes:
....Sadly many of you who are very sure that one or the other is bad or good are basing your decision on limited incomplete information.

Now before you Spam me, that's not your fault. Based upon the info you have, I probably would come up with the same conclusion. I write technical articles for a Guad newspaper. In order to stay sharp I volunteered at both prodigy and lagunanet to answer tech questions several hours per day. Only lagunanet has a local office so I volunteer there. Because of that I have access to their data base.

I see how many people are hooked up, at any one time. I see when only a few or most of the ISPs modems are being used. And very occasionally when all seem to be used. That's when you get a busy signal. I look at the statistics. I see how some users regularly stay on line 3 to 4 hours at a time, I see how others never (can or do) stay on line more than 10 or 15 minutes at a time......


Personally, I wouldn't think that anybody with access to portserver data and an interest in connection issues would be wasting their time looking at durations of connections, which is like assessing the popularity of a brand of beer in a bar by counting the number of bottles that got spilled during the course of evening. It would seem that (in the case of connection issues, not beer) examining the ratio of PPP sessions that end with a Terminate-Request/Terminate-Ack LCP packet exchange in comparison to those which end with an expired restart counter (TO-) would be far more effective. Similarly, in the case of "assisting" users diagnose connection problems, using the system console or log to examine how their PPP sessions end would make a lot more sense than seeing how long a user stays on line.

I'll have to start supplementing my Journal of the ACM with the Guadalajara Reporter to get the real skinny.....


(This post was edited by ET on May 30, 2003, 11:13 PM)


johanson / Moderator


May 31, 2003, 12:43 AM

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What did I do to piss you off ET? I tried to post something interesting and you put me down. What I tried to say was that some people were able to stay on line as long as they wanted while others were getting cut off in very short periods of time. I further suggested that the difference might be in the quality of the telephone lines and or the modems being used. And that some folks would get very angry when I suggested that the reason they were being cut off early was because of line or modem quality. They wanted to believed that it was the fault of the ISP's.

I realize you must be much smarter than I am. But can't you let us mere (spelling?) mortals make what we hope are productive posts without attacking. Obviously I must have sounded arrogant or something. Because you sure when on the offensive. Is that really productive?


gentlesurvivalist

Jun 2, 2003, 2:27 PM

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I understood exactly your intent and the intent was good.
Hard to understand why some folks are always looking for something to complain about. I really appreciate your post and if I ever get it together to rent a place part time down there or in P.V. which I am looking for, I'll hire you to install a satellite dish for me. Keep up the good work and don't get discouraged by folks with a chip on their shoulder. En paz y La Luz, Laura
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Jean

Jun 12, 2003, 4:59 PM

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What ET said above went right over my head and you know how much I know Peter.

I feel sorry for the other readers who must be just shaking their heads at that answer.

ET phone home and speak English!!
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