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Jubilado

Jan 19, 2003, 4:18 PM

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Trying to explain the US

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A few weeks ago, a friend was visiting in Oaxaca. He heard that his home town in Nothern California had had a lot of bad storms and someone told him that a house in a town near his had had its roof blown off in a windstorm. He called a friend who checked and called back with the message that friend 1's roof was OK. A Oaxaquena took the message for him and was laughing when she delivered it. We explained the A Frame house concept but living in a land of flat roofs she still thought we were tomando el pelo. This got me thinking about what other phenomeneon in the States would be inexplicable to the average Mexican citizen, regardless of education and exposure to US television. I thought it might be interesting to ask what concepts you have found most difficult to explain. Respect for both cultures is essential, of course. I would start out with CCandRs. I cannot imagine a Mexican citizen agreeing not to hang laundry on a clothes line or painting a house only variations of brown, or being limited to one particular kind of fence. I realize that there are restriction in the colonial parts of many cities, of course. How about some others?



Mereja

Jan 19, 2003, 5:04 PM

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Believe it or not, the church in Chupicuaro, Michoacan is an A frame house with yellow tinted glass. The walls on the sides go almost to the ground. I think it looks kind of odd in the middle of a small Mexican town. It has been there for about 15 years according to my husband.

I will tell you something that happened when my brother-in-law and his cousin first came here. Him and his cousin were washing dishes while I was gone and one of them accidently bumped the switch for the garbage disposal with a kettle. When I got home, about 15 minutes later, I asked what the noise was and they said they didn't know and proceeded to explain that they were washing dishes and the noise started. I showed them the switch. I am sure they had heard of a garbage disposal before, but they had no idea how it worked until I showed them. But you have to remember these two guys grew up in a very small town and had not traveled around much in their lives. I am sure there are some places in Mexico that have garbage disposals.


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LJ

Jan 19, 2003, 5:33 PM

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Rice Cookers
Bread Machines
Pooper Scooper Laws
QVC


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scott

Jan 19, 2003, 5:40 PM

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Drinking Tap Water

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I'm sure it would take a while for many Mexicans to get used to drinking tap water. "Yuck... I would never drink water out of a pipe, even if it was cleaned".


Alteño

Jan 19, 2003, 5:43 PM

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Re: [Jubilado]It's you who needs more education and exposure

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"We explained the A Frame house concept but living in a land of flat roofs ..."

Give me a break! It is not a matter of design or type of frame, it is a matter of construction method and materials used . And what about all the Spanish style houses that are built with inclined roofs and tejas (roof clay tile) all over Western México?. Or the palapa style roofs in southern México?. If you think that all México is represented by Oaxaca, then it is you who needs more information, education, and exposure to México.

"This got me thinking about what other phenomeneon in the States would be inexplicable to the average Mexican citizen, regardless of education and exposure to US television"

You are the one educated by US television and Hollywood movies. How can we explain the average gringo that México is a mosaic of peoples, traditions, and cultures?. You cannot compare a person from Chihuahua or Jalisco to a person from Chiapas or Oaxaca, or to a person from Mexicali or Ensenada, or to a person from D.F. or Puebla. There is no such thing as an "average Mexican", You need more information, education, and exposure to México.

"I cannot imagine a Mexican citizen agreeing not to hang laundry on a clothes line or painting a house only variations of brown, or being limited to one particular kind of fence"

Again, what part of México are you talking about? You need to travel a lot around México. Is what you say applicable to Mérida, Guadalajara, Monterrey, Ensenada, Mazatlán, Hermosillo, León, D.F., Jalapa, Queretaro, Cuernavaca, Tampico, Puerto Vallarta, Zacatecas, Ciudad Delicias, et cetera? I really can't believe that an ignorant person can have the nerve to assume that his limited and partial vision of México is truly México, and expose himself in a public forum. You need more information, education, and exposure to México.

Talking about narrow-minded people!! And yes, I can imagine a gringo not being able to imagine other cultures.


sparks

Jan 19, 2003, 6:10 PM

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jennifer rose

Jan 19, 2003, 7:17 PM

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I cannot imagine a Mexican citizen agreeing not to hang laundry on a clothes line or painting a house only variations of brown, or being limited to one particular kind of fence. I realize that there are restriction in the colonial parts of many cities, of course.

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And plenty of us living in Mexico, even those having Mexican citizenship, don’t hang their laundry outside. There are communities with restrictions upon landscaping and house color even outside of colonial areas. Heck, many of those communities are very modern, lined with green spaces and modern cars. You’ll find nary a camote vendor nor a stray dog roaming those streets.

Well, I think your thread is an important one, but anyone who’s even watched Mexican television would’ve seen dwellings with inclined roofs. Obviously, those structures are very difficult for our traditional roof dogs. <g> (Wait! Our dogs don’t all live on the roof!)

And we have canine control and pooper scooper laws, even if don’t have the manpower to enforce them.

Someone posted, about a year ago, on this forum a remark to the effect that all Mexican women make tortillas daily in their homes. When I set her straight that her notions were farthest from the truth, she admitted that she had only visited peasant homes in Oaxaca.


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I'm sure it would take a while for many Mexicans to get used to drinking tap water. "Yuck... I would never drink water out of a pipe, even if it was cleaned".



Many Mexicans have water filtration systems which do enable them to safely drink water from the tap.

Mexico is a broad palette of culture, styles, education, and class. What one might see, and even view as the norm, in Hermosillo or Oaxaca doesn’t spell the direction of the rest of the republic. Many of us do not eat beans and tortillas every day, most of us do not own burros, and we hardly ever spontaneously drop everything to break out in song and dance.

These broadsides directed to the “the average Mexican citizen, regardless of education and exposure to US television” make those of us who live here wonder if The Waltons, Sex in the City, and Northern Exposure represent all of American daily life. All Americans do participate in tractor pulls, monster truck events, and square dance, no?


scott

Jan 19, 2003, 8:35 PM

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This reminds of another funny one. Try explaining to a Mexican that if their guard dog bites a thief while breaking into their home, the thief can turn around and sue them for his or her injury.

I'm kind of thinking of that fiasco in the Ajijic forum with Jeannie saying Mexicans don't break into houses with dogs. I'm scared to hell of dogs now too, one chased me down on my dirt bike the other day and bit me when I had to stop. It bloody well hurt too, and the owner down the road aways just looked at me and shrugged his shoulders, and called the thing back. I won't even go down that road anymore. Back home that thing would be in doggie heaven by now.


LJ

Jan 20, 2003, 6:36 AM

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Re: [jennifer rose] Trying to explain the US

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No disrespect intended, i was just answering the initial post regarding what I had personally found difficult to explain. It was not meant to belittle the culture or the population or suggest that the concept of a rice cooker was foreign and further suggesting women spend all their time cooking. It was merely a related experience. As for the pooper scooper laws, they may exist where you live, they may have even existed where I lived, no one knew about them, and I suppose they did not apply to the horses and burros "parked" outside our house and on our street.


tony ferrell

Jan 20, 2003, 7:29 AM

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Here are a couple:

A house loan for 30 years and you end up paying
3X the original loan.

To add to that disposal post, my sister in law
visited us and said that the only time she had
seen one was in the movie "Gremlins".

None of this is meant as disrespect, only to laugh
at the differences of what is "normal". tony


jennifer rose

Jan 20, 2003, 7:54 AM

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alex .

Jan 20, 2003, 8:50 AM

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Re: [sparks] over 55 only communities

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a place where children are banned?

Traffic yielding to emergency vehicles? In Tijuana the police cars, ambulances, and fire trucks are on their own. They have to fight the traffic with everyone else.

I'll wait to see how badly I get scorched on this one before contributing more.

Alex


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Jubilado

Jan 20, 2003, 11:38 AM

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Sheesh guys, I was merely trying to get an interesting discussion going. My comment about pitched roofs was in reference to Oaxaca and of course I know about palapas. This particular woman who spent most of her life in the Isthmus could not understand how a gringo's roof could blow off. I have traveled and lived in other areas of Mexico and I know there are tiled pitched roofs elsewhere. I am sure that gated communities in Ajijic and San Miguel Allende have CC&Rs. However, my point was that some accepted cultural practices do not translate well to another culture. I know of one protest at a college in the US because the Art Department put on a dislay for Dia de Los Muertos and the protesters saw it as devil worship. How many US citizens would understand the humanitarian principle that underlies the fact that in Mexico, trying to escape from jail does not add to one's sentence?. I would, however, really like some specific details of places in Mexico where there is a regulation prohibiting hanging laundry outside. Not everyone does it, of course, buy where it is against the law?.


Jim in Cancun

Jan 20, 2003, 2:27 PM

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Or why it´s OK to throw toilet paper in the toilet!!

Culture shock differences work both ways. I remember after I had been in Mexico several years and went back to the States on business and walked into the John Wayne airport and the urinal flushed all by itself!!!! I really did look around to see if someone was doing it by remote control or something. It is also sometimes hard to explain to people in the States how you know which passing vendor is outside selling something just because of THE SOUND! The pan pipe or the hand clapping or the banging on gas cylinders or the sound of the almost calliope sound of the camote man--but then ELOOOOTES, (E)SQUIIITES, TAMAAAALES is pretty simple--what´s difficult is figuring out if I want both mayonaise and piquin chili pepper on the corn-on-the-cob or just plain!!


alex .

Jan 20, 2003, 3:17 PM

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scott

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Mereja

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scott

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LJ

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jennifer rose

Jan 20, 2003, 9:45 PM

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Re: [scott] why do dogs ride INSIDE the car

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But Scott, we do have seat belt laws in this country. And laws requiring the use of child seats. We are not as ignorant as some might think.


Alteño

Jan 20, 2003, 10:45 PM

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Jubilado,

In response to your request for information:

"I would, however, really like some specific details of places in Mexico where there is a regulation prohibiting hanging laundry outside. Not everyone does it, of course, buy where it is against the law?."

In most middle to large cities in México there are regulations for Colonias Residenciales that prohibit hanging laundry or installing "tinacos" and gas tanks where they can be visible from the street. Or painting your house in such colors that don't fit the general appearance of the Colonia or Condominio (Gated Community). Now, if we talk about colonias populares in cities, or peasant's villages, rancherías, pueblos, and the like, we are talking about different things.

The fact that -from what I can read in these forums- many foreigners cannot afford (or choose not) to live in middle or higher-class neighbourhoods, narrrows their knowledge of the other "Méxicos".

There are many "Méxicos", defined by; Geography, ethnicity, culture and traditions, education, and socio-economical level. This is something that, to the inexperienced/foreign eye, is not very visible. And, sometimes even hard to understand, or beyond their comprehension. Remember the sufi example of the blind men who are getting to know how an elephant is, from their limited, personal experience.

"This particular woman who spent most of her life in the Isthmus..."

Try to explain to her how the snow tastes and feels in your mouth, or the experience of walking on a frozen lake.


scott

Jan 21, 2003, 12:21 AM

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The fact that -from what I can read in these forums- many foreigners cannot afford (or choose not) to live in middle or higher-class neighbourhoods, narrrows their knowledge of the other "Méxicos".

Guess what, La Jornada says 42% of Mexicans live on $2 or less per day. The News Mexico says 50% of Mexicans live on under $3 per day. What this means is that the majority of Mexicans are poor. This also means that I can say in general Mexicans are poor. The majority of Mexicans are poor Alteño, and a very large percentage live in extreme poverty. So what we experience is a better representation of life in Mexico in general, than someone living in a very high priced gated community.

We can make generalizations. I don't see what the big deal is with this. There is a gated community here, called Club Campestre. The houses are huge, more often than not don't have bars on the windows, might have a Ferrari parked out front, every fourth house has a golf cart, and the whole neighborhood is circled around a private golf course. Now, sure this exists, and I guess I'm not really experiencing Mexico since I don't live there.. But anyways, just because this neighborhood does exist, doesn't mean I can't say that in general Mexican houses are more like mine, have bars on the windows, that most Mexicans can't afford three cars, etc. Sure there are exceptions, I am aware of this, but people are free to make generalizations for the sake of simplicity. Get over it, please. Your "other mexicos" are not the majority of the country.

Please see this thread for references. You'll have to take my word on it that when I posted the 50% of the population living on $3/day link, several months ago, it was valid at the time. TheNewsMexico.com no longer works.


arbon

Jan 21, 2003, 5:06 AM

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arbon

Jan 21, 2003, 6:28 AM

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Re: [LJ] Trying to explain the US..What is QVC?

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That QVC is in Mexico as well.

QVC de Mexico
Mexico City, 03100
MEXICO
phone: 011-52-5-524-8390

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