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Aaron+

Feb 3, 2017, 10:45 AM

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effective today, Feb. 3, the Mexican government is now waiving all duties on electric car imports and imports of unspecified repair parts for same. This expands the duty free import of such vehicles made in NAFTA countries to any country. See, for example: http://www.sintesiscaaarem.com.mx/...rticle from Reforma.
See also http://primerahora.com.mx/index.php?n=186035 which notes that from January to October of 2016, 230 electric cars were imported into the country.
An article in El Universal adds that electric cars are exempt from the license plate based day driving ban in the Cd de Mexico

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YucaLandia


Feb 4, 2017, 5:45 AM

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YAY !
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stevebrtx

Feb 4, 2017, 5:59 AM

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Or, pick your favorite corruption to invest in - pay the CFE, or pay Pemex. I'd hate to see the CFE bill for charging.
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YucaLandia


Feb 4, 2017, 6:09 AM

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... PV Solar systems ? ...

The installed USD costs for solar systems were $3.35 USD per installed kW in 2015 - through the first half of 2016.

Installed kW costs have fallen to $1.82 ... and even $1.65 USD in Mexico recently ... as bigger players start to move in on all the little Mom&Pop businesses.

Times ... they are a chang'n ...

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RickS


Feb 4, 2017, 6:10 AM

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"I'd hate to see the CFE bill for charging"

Solar!


YucaLandia


Feb 4, 2017, 6:12 AM

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Steve....

If you do PV solar 'right' ... we can now recover our investment costs in under 2.5 years.


Further ... If you have a sun-heated (uninsulated) concrete roof right over an airconditioned room ... you can recover all costs in as little as 1½ years.


Details ??
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stevebrtx

Feb 4, 2017, 7:55 AM

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So, I spend $40K on the car, another $5K on solar (while renting a house?) and my payback comes when? - right, just about the time I need to invest in another massive battery for the car. And, when I drive 700 miles to the border I'm sure there are charging stations (with adjacent bars to wile my time away waiting for the charger) all along the way. No thanks guys, I'm old school, I'll stick with my smoking choking automobile - thank you Mr. Ford.
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johanson


Feb 4, 2017, 10:03 AM

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I installed my photovoltaic solar system in 2007-8. I don't remember what I paid but it was right before the big stock market crash and I was forced (luckily) to sell stocks to pay for the system. Soon thereafter the stock market crashed and the stocks I sold were worth half as much. So I say, I got a 50% discount on my system.
No my system is not for an electric car, but to beat the DAC rates. I love my panels, but do not have enough room for any more panels for my new imaginary electric car :)


DavidHF

Feb 4, 2017, 10:53 AM

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That's per WATT, not kW!


YucaLandia


Feb 4, 2017, 10:55 AM

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good correction... I was typing fast..

Prices~Costs for 2015 - 2016 were at $3.35 USD per installed WATT.

They have dropped to $1.82 USD per installed WATT.


Thank you again, DavidHF for picking out and calling out even the smallest errors.

It really helps keep Mexconnect's information precise.
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stevebrtx

Feb 4, 2017, 11:42 AM

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Ok, so at any price, how big a systems does it require to charge up my Tesla? - hey, I ain't buying no crackerbox, if I go, it will be first class.
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YucaLandia


Feb 5, 2017, 10:30 AM

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Assuming you have the Tesla Model S Performance model equipped with an 85 kWh (310 MJ) battery pack (goes 265 miles mas o menos) ...

Do you plan to totally discharge the batteries ?

At the ½-way draining, you'd use about 40 kWh of energy.

That means a decent 5 kW system would recharge your car every 2 days ... driving 65 miles a day...

Do you really expect to drive 65 miles per day ?

Most older men average driving about 28.23 miles a day, but a typical day can have far fewer miles, when we subtract out the big voyages.

Even at 28.23 average miles per day ... with an OLD Tesla ... a simple 2.5 kW system would easily meet your average energy usages

- with 4.5 hrs of good high efficiency solation per day,

;)

Happy Motoring,
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stevebrtx

Feb 5, 2017, 12:13 PM

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Looks like I'm averaging 46+ miles per day since getting back up here 2.5 years ago. While most of my day trips are less than 150 when I go into Austin etc, when I make a border run to Acuna it's about 440, so that wouldn't work out. And, a trip to CO or NE is 950 miles one way in 2 days, so not too good. Somehow I would imagine that charging stations in OK, NM, NE are probably as scarce as hen's teeth.

I think I'll do the generational skipping thing. You remember how we were stampeded into CFL bulbs only to learn the truth about them? - well now, of course, next generation LED's are vastly superior. So, I think I'll just skip electric and wait for fuel cell technology. Heck, I've not accepted the idea of front wheel drive cars yet, never owned one, not likely to any time soon.
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RickS


Feb 5, 2017, 12:43 PM

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Well, but Steve that's the Texan way of thinking.... "We've got all these good roads and tons of oil underneath, so I'll just drive thousands of miles burning fossil fuels no matter the consequences".

Think California or New England.... lots of trips short enough to make it on one charge of electro-juice. You would feel so much better about yourself.

I'm with you about waiting.... although at my age I may not still be driving.... for fuel cells. Then all we'll have to worry about is all the excess H2O byproduct.


stevebrtx

Feb 5, 2017, 1:49 PM

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I did see a little Prius one day last year out here and it had a Hillary bumper sticker and I laughed, definitely someone from Austin, no one out here would have either.

I'm into job creation, so I love to see the oil patch booming, that makes me feel good about myself and I love to pay exorbitant per gallon taxes - ha. As soon as China, India, Russia etc. start regulating their emissions, I'll take another look at it. And if we ever actually get some honest data on temps etc. I'll be sure to read up on it. I see the latest is a NASA/NOAA land station report showing extreme heating in Africa where they don't have any land based stations, I wonder how that works? They rushed the report into print without vetting it scientifically to get it out before the Paris hooha a couple years ago, more tax dollars at work.
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YucaLandia


Feb 6, 2017, 4:28 AM

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NASA monitors many things from satellites.

Old News:
The source of the small variations temperature data between NASA satellite temperature results & surface measurements was found years ago, and the data from both land & satellite date align beautifully since then.

So, sea surface temperatures are based on both data from buoys & over 20 years of satellite measurements.

Unfortunately, there's no denying that over 80% of the Arctic Sea ice is now gone (compared to 1979) ... There's no denying that we're having Alaska running a full 6 degrees warner ... and ... even the Eskimos are in trouble...

https://www.sciencenewsforstudents.org/...ers-climate-migrants

... plus the HUGE never before seen methane beds bubbling up from a thawing Arctic Sea floor ... plus open water Arctic / Northwest Passage have the Russians excited ...

http://siberiantimes.com/...imes-above-the-norm/

so ...a 1,000 or so pesky facts keep popping up every year, faster than the non-scientist climate deniers can deal with.

Fortunately, there are technological solutions available ... that cost less than the Iraq War... Farm white E Hux cocciolitiophore algae in the oceans, to sink the excess CO2 to the ocean floor, just like what Mother Nature did the last time the planet had too much CO2 + giant ferns, giant cockroaches, etc ... as Mother Nature sank all that excess to the bottom of the ocean, to form what has now been exposed as Beachy Head, The White Cliffs of Dover => harmless permanent deposits of blackboard chalk.

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stevebrtx

Feb 6, 2017, 7:10 AM

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Well Steve, you know it all and if you were right, I'd be the first to agree with you, but of course you're not correct and, in fact, you've been led by the nose ring down the primrose path. The data discovered to be "manufactured" years ago by NASA was fixed, this is much more current and considerably more massive and was used to skew the Paris climate hooha.

And, you want to dump something else in the oceans, nice, we dumped everything else from garbage, to sewage to radio active waste, why not your mythical CO2 (which you're probably expelling in large quantities as you read this).

Do this for me - you tell me exactly how you're going to get India, China (opening a new coal burning plant ever week now) and Russia to do 1% of what we've done and I'll be a believer. When I drive N to the border there are whole valleys completely smogged in by wood burning kilns and power plants, when is MX going to "get modern"? Been to Monterrey lately? Most of the time driving by on the highway you can't see the city, you can taste it, but that's all, a "taste of Monterrey".

So, you know it all, exactly how are the big 3 going to be brought into compliance? - until then keep you global warming hooha in your back pocket where it belongs so you pay proper tribute to it and sit on it.

PS: sorry for the aggressive response, but I have far less than zero tolerance for intelligent people who have been sucked into this junk science and are costing us billions is useless taxes. I know far too much about instrumentation and computers to buy an ounce of this clap trap and is continually proven wrong - but it's the greatest tool modern governments have been handed, the perfect justification to tax, spend and control and if you're gov, what else is there?
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tonyburton


Feb 6, 2017, 7:36 AM

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My understanding is that the white cliffs of Dover are calcium carbonate ("chalk"/"limestone") whereas blackboard chalk is calcium sulphate ("gypsum") but you're the chemist....


YucaLandia


Feb 8, 2017, 4:40 AM

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Tony's approach shows some insight, while stevebrtx's simply smears, makes false attacks, and makes false statements.

Tony observes that blackboard chalk is CaSO4, and that the cocciolithiophore algae (E. Hux) are Calcium Carbonate ...
Fortunately, as Tony noted & suspected , expert scientists with 50 years of training & experience know that the world of biology & reality do not fit overly-simplified Jr. High School Chemistry explanations.

http://biosciences.exeter.ac.uk/...title_295885_en.html

It's been known & recognized for 5 years that the Emiliania huxleyi (aka EHUX ) is the source of the White Cliffs of Dover & Beachyhead, even though simple-minded chemistry points novices in the wrong direction,

Why is this VERY important?
Because naturally occuring ocean going EHUX algae have been the controller of Earth's atmospheric CO2 and has acted as the Earth's THERMOSTAT by NATURALLY depositing excess CO2 at the oceans floors ~ for at least 200 million years~ ,

Why ignore Stevebrtx's false claims?
Emiliania huxleyi white algae is one of the most abundant marine phytoplankton species and is a key player in the process of CO2 exchange between the atmosphere and the ocean. ... Stevebrtx mistakenly imagines that we have to add some new species,

Even though i]EHUX algae are microscopic ... EHUX makes huge blooms regularly off the coasts of England & Norway - briefly making pretty white patches for 2 weeks in the ocean .... To fix the global climate change problem, EHUX needs to be SEEDED ... just like Johnny Appleseed planted apple trees

Really... There are some seeds ... some rational man-made activities that are GOOD ....


EHUX microscopic alga have influenced the global climate for over 200 million years, so is used as a model system for studying biosphere-geosphere. Forming pale chalky cases called coccoliths, during the spring bloom it can be seen from space in the seas around the UK. E. huxleyi directly links to climate change through the production of dimethylsulfide (DMS), which induces cloud formation and blocks solar radiation. ... note that this where Tony's insignt comes in. Because DMS brings in sulfur chemistry, the EHUX algae's CO2 trapping skeleton does double duty, because EHUX also is the ocean's~planet's major creator of DMS (when irritated~attacked)... and DMS is the MAJOR source of ocean clouds...

Selective seeding & ocean farming of EHUX (whose NATURAL blooms die out in 2 weeks without added fertilizer~nutrients) have been proven to ultimately just sink harmlessly to the bottom of the ocean.

The production of ocean clouds (by the DMS released by irriitated EHUX ) also reflect back into space too much sunlight, that is overheating ourour planet.

Natural solutions... growing EHUX algae seed crops ON LAND by trapping the CO2 from fossil-fueled electric power plants ... allows people like Stevebrtx to run their air conditioners & pool pumps, as the CO2 from power plants is an essential nutrient to grow EHUX seeds on land ... and those seeds are then planted at strategic ~unused~ dead zones out in the Pacific Ocean ... where farming the EHUX algae at sea as big white blooms, traps mega-tons CO2, because the blooms grow to 10x - 15X larger than the seeds...

We currently farm salmon et al ...

Keep using electricity from fossil fuels, but... Start farming EHUX to fix the planet ...

;)

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YucaLandia


Feb 8, 2017, 5:10 AM

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Steve, note that you've made at least 6 false claims above, including falsehoods about dumping bad things into the ocean. Note that we propose re-planting seeds of a naturally occurring algae that has been around for 200 million years.

Other falsehoods: We do NOT need India nor China to change. That's just another mistaken imagining by climate change deniers.

Then note that EHUX seeds REQUIRE CO2 as a nutrient... CO2 that is best most-easily trapped trapped from fossil fueled electricity generation chimney exhausts.

Then consider that, Sure, Monterrey has pollution problems ... but rational dialogues do not inculde dragging in red-herrings as new unrelated topics ... especially when those red-herrings have their own separate solutions.

Continuing: since the Big 3 have nothing to do with the EHUX solution, that's yet another climate denier ruse... and another climate denier red-herring.

Finally... Regardless of the current (selfish) political rant-culture...
I encourage that Mexconnect choose rational factual civilized dialogues, especially on technical issues.

Instead of non*factual rants, we should choose rational civilized dialogues, based in facts ... dialogues that have no place for personal insults of childish name-calling.

So... We have choices in life:
~ Be curious ...

~ When faced with big problems ... Seek solutions ...

~ Educate ourselves..

~ Get the old dogs to learn some new tricks, rather than just digging up their old moldy (false) bones.

~ Work on positive practical solutions ...

~ Watch, listen, learn...

~ and ... Work productively with others.

Happy Trails,
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stevebrtx

Feb 8, 2017, 6:40 AM

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My condolences to you Steve, you've sold your soul for nothing. If you want wrap yourself in claptrap, so be it, just don't come to my door with your hand out expecting me to contribute a penny to your fantasy.
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RickS


Feb 8, 2017, 9:46 AM

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This thread has more than run its course....
 
 
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