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Arroyo 36

Oct 8, 2015, 10:20 PM

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Entering Mexico by car with Residente Temporal Canje

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We have recently been issued our Residente Temporal Canje and intend to drive to the border in about six weeks. Is it best to apply for the Vehicle Import Permit online or at the border? When we go online it asks for the INM number but as that seems to apply to a Tourist Visa we are concerned that if we apply for that it will nullify our Canje. Has anyone been in this position and could help us newbies?



rvgringo

Oct 10, 2015, 10:16 AM

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DO not ever fill out an FMM as a tourist/visitante or it will cancel your canje and, later, your visa. In your case, I suggest getting your car permit at the border, where you will have your FMM marked “canje“. You then have 30 days to report to INM at your destination with proofs of residence, etc. The process of getting your actual visa card may take a couple of months, during which time you may only travel inside of Mexico with your tramite letter. In an emergency, if you need to leave, you must apply for a letter of permission from INM and pay an additional fee. There is a 60 day time limit for such an exit/return, so be careful. Once fingerprinting is requested, you have only 15 days to formally notify Aduana to extend your car importada temporal to match your new visa; otherwise, your car becomes illegal in Mexico.


david3528

Oct 10, 2015, 11:41 AM

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rvgringo, are you saying one does not fill out the FMM at all, or is there a way to indicate you are not a tourist if you have already got your temporal visa?


rvgringo

Oct 10, 2015, 2:32 PM

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If you just applied for visa approval at a consulate, you do not yet have a visa; just approval for a visa, called a Canje, which you will present to INM at your destination.
At the border, you will fill out the FMM (Forma Migratoria Multiple) multi-purpose form as CANJE in the space for OTHER. In the future, after you get your actual visa card, you will fill out an FMM at border crossings as RESIDENTE TEMPORAL, OR RESIDENTE PERMANENTE; never as a tourist. David, that last part applies to you. An FMM should be completed at every exit/entry at the border, keeping one half for the return.


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Arroyo 36

Oct 10, 2015, 3:09 PM

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Thanks so much rvgringo. This is just the feedback we were looking for. Will keep viewing the forum for any further advice before we cross mid November.


playaboy

Oct 11, 2015, 6:25 PM

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If you just applied for visa approval at a consulate, you do not yet have a visa; just approval for a visa, called a Canje, which you will present to INM at your destination.
At the border, you will fill out the FMM (Forma Migratoria Multiple) multi-purpose form as CANJE in the space for OTHER. In the future, after you get your actual visa card, you will fill out an FMM at border crossings as RESIDENTE TEMPORAL, OR RESIDENTE PERMANENTE; never as a tourist. David, that last part applies to you. An FMM should be completed at every exit/entry at the border, keeping one half for the return.


RV, take a good look at the MEXICO VISA the consulate put in your passport when you got your residente approval. Does it say CANJE anywhere on the VISA? Look real hard. I can't find it on my VISA. Is the VISA the consulate gave you different from everybody else?

There is no such thing as a residente temporal (permanente) CANJE. CANJE is the Spanish word for exchange.

A Mexican VISA is attached to your passport when you are approved for residency at a consulate. It is good for one entry into Mexico. You are to exchange the VISA for a residente card. It is all spelled out right there on the VISA.

The FMM is only place you will see the word "CANJE" When filling out an FMM the INM Officer is to check the CANJE (Exchange) box under the 30 day maximum stay section, part of the USO OFFICIAL section. Individuals are not allowed to write in this section. If you look at the FMM, the instructions on the back state what to do if the Officer checked the CANJE box.

I am not sure but I don't think a residente card is a VISA. I don't see the word VISA anywhere on my card.

RV, since you like to post about processes you have never been thru (obtaining your residency at a consulate) at least use the correct terminology. Otherwise people get confused and can make serious mistakes based on the advice you post on many forums.

You might want to bone up on your TIP advice too (another area you haven't gone thru in years and years).


(This post was edited by playaboy on Oct 11, 2015, 6:43 PM)


therumjournal

Oct 13, 2015, 9:47 AM

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correct. The VISA you receive comes from the Mexican consulate abroad and allows you to APPLY FOR ENTRY to Mexico. Once you are admitted by INM authorities using your VISA, you go to you local INM office and apply for your residency. The card you receive is NOT a visa. It is a Temporary or Permanent Card.

Usually that VISA is only valid for a single entry to Mexico to allow entry to apply for residency once in the country. Please be careful with terminology as it can really screw people up who are not smart enough to cross check their information.


YucaLandia


Oct 13, 2015, 11:28 AM

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correct. The VISA you receive comes from the Mexican consulate abroad and allows you to APPLY FOR ENTRY to Mexico. Once you are admitted by INM authorities using your VISA, you go to you local INM office and apply for your residency. The card you receive is NOT a visa. It is a Temporary or Permanent Card.

Usually that VISA is only valid for a single entry to Mexico to allow entry to apply for residency once in the country. Please be careful with terminology as it can really screw people up who are not smart enough to cross check their information.


If this is true (?) someone needs to notify INM to change the Mex. Gob. publications on Immigration law: as the post above claims the 2011 Ley de Migración and the 2012 INM Reglamentos and 2012 INM Lineamientos usages of "visa" are supposedly incorrect (?)

Since 2011, the official DOF publications on Mexico's official Immigration Law and Regulations frequently refer to the "residente temporal visa" and "residente permanente visa" and "visitante visa" immigration permits and cards as "visas".

Consider the 2011 Ley de Migración:

"Artículo 40. Los extranjeros que pretendan ingresar al país deben presentar alguno de los siguientes tipos de visa, válidamente expedidas y vigentes:
I. Visa de visitante sin permiso para realizar actividades remuneradas, que autoriza al extranjero para presentarse en cualquier lugar destinado al tránsito internacional de personas y solicitar su ingreso a territorio nacional, con el objeto de permanecer por un tiempo ininterrumpido no mayor a ciento ochenta días, contados a partir de la fecha de entrada.
II. Visa de visitante con permiso para realizar actividades remuneradas, que autoriza al extranjero para presentarse en cualquier lugar destinado al tránsito internacional de personas y solicitar su ingreso a territorio nacional, con el objeto de permanecer por un tiempo ininterrumpido no mayor a ciento ochenta días, contados a partir de la fecha de entrada y realizar actividades remuneradas.
III. Visa de visitante para realizar trámites de adopción, que autoriza al extranjero vinculado con un proceso de adopción en los Estados Unidos Mexicanos, a presentarse en cualquier lugar destinado al tránsito internacional de personas y solicitar su ingreso a territorio nacional, con el objeto de permanecer en el país hasta en tanto se dicte la resolución ejecutoriada y, en su caso, se inscriba en el Registro Civil la nueva acta del niño, niña o adolescente adoptado, así como se expida el pasaporte respectivo y todos los trámites necesarios para garantizar la salida del niño, niña o adolescente del país. La expedición de esta autorización, sólo procederá respecto de ciudadanos de países con los que los Estados Unidos Mexicanos hayan suscrito algún convenio en la materia.
IV. Visa de residencia temporal, que autoriza al extranjero para presentarse en cualquier lugar destinado al tránsito internacional de personas y solicitar su ingreso a territorio nacional, con el objeto de permanecer por un tiempo no mayor a cuatro años.
V. Visa de residente temporal estudiante, que autoriza al extranjero para presentarse en cualquier lugar destinado al tránsito internacional de personas y solicitar su ingreso a territorio nacional, con el objeto de permanecer por el tiempo que duren los cursos, estudios, proyectos de investigación o formación que acredite que se llevarán a cabo en instituciones educativas pertenecientes al sistema educativo nacional, y realizar actividades remuneradas conforme a lo dispuesto por la fracción VIII del artículo 52 de esta Ley.
VI. Visa de Visa de residencia permanente, que autoriza al extranjero para presentarse en cualquier lugar destinado al tránsito internacional de personas y solicitar su ingreso a territorio nacional, con el objeto de permanecer de manera indefinida.
Los criterios para emitir visas serán establecidos en el Reglamento y los lineamientos serán determinados en conjunto por la Secretaría y la Secretaría de Relaciones Exteriores, privilegiando una gestión migratoria congruente que otorgue facilidades en la expedición de visas a fin de favorecer los flujos migratorios ordenados y regulares privilegiando la dignidad de los migrantes. ...and
and

From the 2012 INM Lineamientos - Mexico's Immigration Law Regulations:

"Artículo 14. La autoridad migratoria de los lugares destinados al tránsito internacional de personas, previo cumplimiento de los requisitos correspondientes, expedirá en los supuestos y condiciones que se señalan a continuación, los siguientes documentos migratorios:
I. FMM:
a) A la persona extranjera titular de una visa de residente temporal, de residente temporal estudiante, de residente permanente o de visitante para realizar trámites de adopción".


... etc etc



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For the past 5 years, "VISA" has been a legitimate official term for our Residente Temporal permits, our Residente Permanente permits and our Visitante permits for entering and exiting Mexico.

Let's not add artificial restrictions that don't exist in Mexican law, because ... from the well-intentioned post above:

" Please be careful with terminology as it can really screw people up who are not ... . "

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(This post was edited by YucaLandia on Oct 13, 2015, 11:36 AM)


mayamex15

Oct 13, 2015, 11:45 AM

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Re: [YucaLandia] Entering Mexico by car with Residente Temporal Canje

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I stand corrected on this. Although I think the terminology is funny, because usually a visa is authorized at a consulate for entry and then with the resident card is a card as it does not say visa. However if that is how they are going with it. We use that.


YucaLandia


Oct 13, 2015, 12:10 PM

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The INM laws, regulations, and personnel seem to use "visa" , "tarjeta", and "permiso" almost interchangeably - so we have to pay attention to the context.

The old caution about using the word "visa" for a Mexican INM permit comes from Rolly and Rolly's days - when he was a stickler for not using the word "visa" prior to the 2011 INM law. .... sure do miss him ...

Happy Trails,
steve
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playaboy

Oct 13, 2015, 3:29 PM

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Thanks for clarifying things regarding residente visas, tajertas, permisos. Now it is really a muddy mess.
 
 
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