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sargentodiaz

Jan 17, 2015, 1:54 PM

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Father Serra to Receive Sainthood


As someone who has spend several years researching Father Serra and other Franciscans who established the missions of Upper California, I think this is long overdue.


I am NOT a Roman Catholic and am not about to consider Father Serra my patron saint or anything like that. The reason I studied his was having grown up in Southern California and hearing lots of things about those times that made no sense to me.


Why did thousands of California Indians voluntarily come to the missions – and stay there? They were not held in chains. Father Serra and the other Franciscans loved them as their children and treated them as was the custom in 18th Century western culture. They were never severely beaten as the strict rules said “spanking” was appropriate, as long and it did not draw blood or even bruise.


The Franciscans punished themselves far more by flagellation in which blood poured down the backs.


There are many other links to this story but I'll stay with the original church announcement @ http://www.catholicnews.com/...ries/cns/1500192.htm as well as @ http://ncronline.org/...-serra-be-made-saint


You are also invited to read my latest blog about this @ http://msgdaleday.blogspot.com
For Information about Antigua y Nueva California, check out my blog, Father Serra's Legacy @ http://msgdaleday.blogspot.com



tashby


Jan 17, 2015, 5:02 PM

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I was born and raised in a California mission town so this is interesting to me. Thanks.


sargentodiaz

Jan 22, 2015, 12:10 PM

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99% of pre-US California came from one man - Hubert H. Bancroft! A man with a minimal college education, mid-Western Protestant with a clear hatred of Papists - as he called them. After a not-so-illustrious career in his home area, he moved to San Francisco and got a job as an editor in one of the local publications. He talked the owners into creating a "historical documentation" of California prior to statehood. He then hired a number of "clerks" to go out and round up as much documentation as they could find for that period.


He then so-called "compiled" that information and proceeded to publish a series of "historical" tomes. This is the first of them:

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THE WORKS OF HUBERT HOWE BANCROFT.


VOLUME XX.


HISTORY OF CALIFORNIA.


VOL. III. 1825-1840.


SAN FRANCISCO:
THE HISTORY COMPANY, PUBLISHERS.


1886.


Entered according to Act of Congress in the Year 1885, by


HUBERT H. BANCROFT,


In the Office of the Librarian of Congress, at Washington.


All Rights Reserved.





There are two more, as well as dozens more about the history of the various states. He was especially nasty when it came to the history of American Indians.


It is from this bigoted man that most California history school books are written.


edited by Rolly to remove personal rudeness.
For Information about Antigua y Nueva California, check out my blog, Father Serra's Legacy @ http://msgdaleday.blogspot.com

(This post was edited by Rolly on Jan 22, 2015, 12:25 PM)


Yacatecuhtli


Jan 24, 2015, 9:21 AM

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RE: Why did thousands of California Indians voluntarily come to the missions – and stay there? They were not held in chains. Father Serra and the other Franciscans loved them as their children and treated them as was the custom in 18th Century western culture. They were never severely beaten as the strict rules said “spanking” was appropriate, as long and it did not draw blood or even bruise.

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Another opinion says "Pope Francis' decision to declare Father Junipero Serra a saint in recognition of his work as “the evangelizer of the West in the United States” represents a profound insult to Native Americans and an injustice to history.........

In 1769, when Serra arrived in San Diego, site of the first of 21 California missions, between 225,000 and 300,000 native peoples had lived for thousands of years in relatively peaceful, self-sufficient, decentralized tribes in Alta California. To him, they were backward children in need of a firm hand, not unlike the way the Confederate South viewed enslaved Africans."

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-platt-serra-sainthood-pope-francis-20150125-story.html


! Al pan, pan y al vino, vino !


sargentodiaz

Jan 24, 2015, 11:22 AM

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I posted this on some non-Catholic forums and the usual anti-Papist, atheists, lefties came out of the woodwork with the usual non-factual garbage calling Father Serra a slave driving, beating piece of garbage responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of poor, innocent men and women living an idyllic life.

When I responded with facts and referred them to relevant books and articles on the subject, it did not surprise me when it shut up every single one of them!

If you'd like to read more about Father Serra and the missions, check out my blog. I strongly suggest you start at the first blogs starting in 2012. If anything, the spells out exactly why Father Serra deserves to be El Santo Junipero.

http://msgdaleday.blogspot.com
For Information about Antigua y Nueva California, check out my blog, Father Serra's Legacy @ http://msgdaleday.blogspot.com


sargentodiaz

Sep 6, 2015, 11:38 AM

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Pope Francis kisses the cross of Father Serra at http://msgsdaleday.blogspot.com
For Information about Antigua y Nueva California, check out my blog, Father Serra's Legacy @ http://msgdaleday.blogspot.com


sargentodiaz

May 22, 2016, 3:24 PM

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Just posted an excerpt of Chapter Two, The Sailor and The Carpenter, Father Serra's Legacy to my blog @ http://lvcabbie.blogspot.com. Enjoy and would appreciate your response in one of the boxes at the end of the blog. Thanks.
For Information about Antigua y Nueva California, check out my blog, Father Serra's Legacy @ http://msgdaleday.blogspot.com

(This post was edited by RickS on May 22, 2016, 4:44 PM)


sargentodiaz

May 23, 2016, 4:55 PM

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Just posted an excerpt of Chapter Two, The Sailor and The Carpenter, Father Serra's Legacy to my blog @ http://lvcabbie.blogspot.com. Enjoy and would appreciate your response in one of the boxes at the end of the blog. Thanks.


Sorry, but the proper link is http://msgdaleday.blogspot.com and the date of the post is May 22, 2016
For Information about Antigua y Nueva California, check out my blog, Father Serra's Legacy @ http://msgdaleday.blogspot.com

(This post was edited by RickS on May 24, 2016, 11:16 AM)


sargentodiaz

Aug 3, 2016, 5:39 PM

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Just posted the 1st chapter of The King's Highway, Book Two of Father Serra's Legacy where Spaniards move to establish present day San Diego @ httpL://msgdaleday.blogspot.com Comments always welcome.
For Information about Antigua y Nueva California, check out my blog, Father Serra's Legacy @ http://msgdaleday.blogspot.com
 
 
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