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Jul 18, 2014, 10:05 AM

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High-level connections of the drug lords

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Worth the read, thought-provoking (as are her writings):


Jul 18, 2014, 11:03 PM

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Re: [Aaron+] High-level connections of the drug lords

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I personally believe that Anabel Hernandez's reporting is as good and or accurate
as it can get.

Unless one knows the history / politics of Mexico, her book in English, may be a tad
bit difficult to follow but, the facts are all there.

Slow down and read it slowly - may want to check out some of those mentioned politicians to make it easier to understand.

She knows what she is talking about and I wish her and her family only
the very Best.

(This post was edited by Rolly on Jul 19, 2014, 7:50 AM)


Jul 19, 2014, 6:35 AM

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Re: [Aaron+] High-level connections of the drug lords

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You might also want to read this excellent article about the Mexican drug trade and its relationship to free trade.


Aug 26, 2014, 1:46 PM

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Re: [Aaron+] High-level connections of the drug lords

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I think this is a very telling statement:

"But they also impact the United States, which has supported Mexico’s fight against drug gangs with billions of dollars, while the US Drug Enforcement Administration and others have worked closely with the Mexican security forces under the command of these presidents."

The United States, according to a 2012 CNN report, has spent over $1 Trillion dollars since 1971 on the War On Drugs:

I believe both Vicente Fox and Calderon, tried to argue that the U.S. should legalize at the very least marijuana -- but there are those like Dianne Feinstein (D) California, who like many in Congress, are representing the old guard views with respect to legalization. But now that Colorado and Washington have legalized marijuana, with other states watching closely; Washington may eventually change its position. It's gonna be a case of State's Right's vs. Federal law.

If you ask me, neither the U.S. or Mexico are serious about putting an end to this problem. IMHO, I think we have a similar corruption issue with government and law enforcement with respect to drug trafficking right here. There is way too much money involved and we have no way of knowing who in government is involved. C'mon $1 Trillion dollars !!! Billions given to Mexico? Absolutely no accountability. We just give money away and expect no results except for a few highly publicized drug busts here, an arrested drug lord there. I have to say, I love my country - but I do not trust my government.

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Aug 27, 2014, 1:20 PM

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Re: [Lilmsmaggie] High-level connections of the drug lords

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Uh, no. Calderón complained bitterly about U.S. states decriminalizing marijuana (especially as el presidente espurio lost what little legitimacy he ever had as the death toll from fighting U.S. marijuana consumers mounted). Vicente Fox did come out in favor of marijuana legalization, after he was hired by a U.S. would-be "specialty marijuana retailer"... but after all, Fox's family fortune comes from agricultural exports to begin with.


Aug 27, 2014, 2:25 PM

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I guess the point I was trying to get across is the sheer amount of money involved with drug trafficking that I doubt U.S. politicians are completely innocent. Somebody is either looking the other way, holding their hand out, or looking the other way while holding their hand out.

In California, we've had three state senators arrested this year alone for: 1. Allegedly taking bribes; 2. Allegedly, trafficking in firearms and taking bribes; perjury and voter fraud. and 3. Drunk driving. The later seems to be quite a common occurrence with California elected officials.

Just today, the local paper reported that the arrest rate for the California Senate is higher than 25 of California's largest cities. The article isn't clear but I'm assuming its based on a percentage of population.

I doubt if this problem is exclusive to California. California may be just the tip of the iceberg, especially when you consider what happens in other states and Washington D.C. that we don't hear about until a corruption story breaks.

BTW, I'll have to check out your links to Mexfiles and editorial Mazatlan.
Dwain (aka Lilmsmaggie)


Aug 29, 2014, 10:33 AM

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Re: [VitaBella] High-level connections of the drug lords

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Investigative journalists especially in Mexico, and elsewhere, risk their lives to reveal facts and truths. Anabel Hernandez stands out as a diligent researcher and brave writer. She contributes regularly to the weekly magazine Proceso. ( is another source of mostly, but not all, more reliable and detailed news on the narco trade).

USA: if one reads Ms. Hernandez, and other reputable journalists and authors (including ex-DEA officials), it is clear that the CIA and other branches of the USA govt. are heavily involved as participants in the drug trade (not new news - during the Vietnam war era, Air America (CIA air arm) were among the largest drug importers from the "Emerald Triangle" region of Southeast Asia). The DEA is apparently, not always, "cleaner", and often at odds with CIA (who usually prevails).

The Iran Contra scandal of the Reagan era, is just one example: clearly a USA (mostly CIA, but also some USA high level military) planned and managed program of arms for Central American dicaatorship(s) for drugs and money to the USA and USA sponsored Central American dictatorships.

Another example is the kidnap, torture and murder of USA DEA agent Enrique "Kiki" Camarena. Evidence, including tape recordings of the torture and USA court testimony, clearly shows the CIA was not only directly involved, but sanctioned and maybe ordered Camarena's death. Camarena had gotten "too close" to CIA air transport of drugs from Mexico and South America to the USA, and huge poppy and cannabis plantations in Mexico that were shielded and protected by CIA and highest levels of the Mexican government.

Major USA banks (Citicorp, etc) continue to be be major conduits for narco money laundering. The fines for the few instances where the USA banks were held accountable, amounted to a minute fraction of the profits the banks realized from enabling the obvious laundering of billions in narco money.

USA pharmaceutical corporations produce huge quantities of highly addictive synthetic drugs (Oxycontin, Vicodin, etc) that have become some of the most popular street drugs in the USA. The amounts of these drug pills could and should be tightly regulated, but the production and use of these "pharmaceutical" drugs is rampant and in quantities that defy logic (other than profit). Somehow FDA, DEA, FBI, AMA (many doctors grossly over-prescribe) etc. seem to be unable to stem this huge corporate drug trade.

This is not to say that the government and institutions of Mexico are innocent victims. Impugnity and corruption of Mexican officials, law enforcement, and military has allowed the Mexican narcos and cartels to virtually control Mexican officialdom. "Plata o plomo" is a convincing argument for any Mexican officials who may be reluctant.

I have no solutions for these narco plagues on society around the world, but it is clear that the "War on Drugs" thus far is an expensive major failure. This is not to say that any should condone the traffic, sale and use of major addictive drugs. (However, cannabis is less addictive than alcohol and tobacco, and the "gateway drug" theory about mota has been disproven many times).
JuanCha de: Santa Fe NM, San Cristobal de Las Casas Chiapas, San Diego CA

(This post was edited by JuanCha on Aug 29, 2014, 10:34 AM)
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