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chinagringo


Jan 2, 2014, 5:42 PM

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Rich:

You would probably appreciate Santa Fe, NM where you are shunned if you don't have at least one bumper sticker on your vehicle. My favorite from last week: REGULATE CAPITALISM!
Regards,
Neil
Albuquerque, NM



Bennie García

Jan 2, 2014, 9:29 PM

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Big problems in Colorado.

http://dailycurrant.com/...day-of-legalization/


Rolly


Jan 2, 2014, 10:23 PM

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That story is a complete fraud. The Rocky Mountain News, which the article quoted, went out of business several years ago. The Denver Post is not reporting any deaths from pot.

Rolly Pirate


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YucaLandia


Jan 3, 2014, 5:01 AM

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Rolly,
What was your first clue that Bennie's article was a spoof?

"According to a report in the Rocky Mountain News, 37 people were killed across the state on January 1st, the first day the drug became legal for all adults to purchase. Several more are clinging onto life in local emergency rooms and are not expected to survive.

"It's complete chaos here," says Dr. Jack Shepard, chief of surgery at St. Luke's Medical Center in Denver, "I've put five college students in body bags since breakfast and more are arriving every minute."
Hilarious or sad?

Kudos to Bennie for finding this gem of an article that highlights how some people see illegal drugs and their role in society.

I stopped counting at 20 different websites that picked up this goofy thing, including a Libertarian think-tank,
steve
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Read-on MacDuff
E-visit at http://yucalandia.com

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YucaLandia


Jan 3, 2014, 5:11 AM

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To get back to the original topic, there is one Mexico-based report related to these themes by a long term expat resident of Merida. It does give some insights into one Tamaulipas Mexican group's current views on drugs and guns - and their motivations for kidnapping:

Report of Kidnapping of a US Citizen Traveling the Coast Road outside of Matamoros


Happy Trails,
steve
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E-visit at http://yucalandia.com

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Bennie García

Jan 3, 2014, 6:00 AM

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http://www.economist.com/debate/days/view/1018

http://www.economist.com/debate/days/view/1018

http://www.economist.com/debate/days/view/1018

Just a few links from normally conservative sources.

Rolly, can't believe you fell for that!


Rolly


Jan 3, 2014, 10:22 AM

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Rolly, can't believe you fell for that
I didn't believe it. I just flagged it as crap.

Rolly Pirate


Bennie García

Jan 3, 2014, 11:11 AM

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Rolly, can't believe you fell for that
I didn't believe it. I just flagged it as crap.


I didn't say you believed it. It wasn't crap, it was satire. On a site that posts these types of spoofs.


richmx2


Jan 3, 2014, 3:56 PM

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Is U.S. prohibition at all relevant to Mexico? Canada, Mexico and the Caribbean nations all had a legitimate alcohol export trade... who wholesale buyers delivered it to their retailers was in the hands of criminals, but not the manufacture or sale. It's not a good analogy... except that with legalization in the U.S., Mexican and Canadian liquor suppliers did lose an important market, and what became a legitimate industry in the U.S. was eventually brought under the control of corporate giants (it wasn't that long ago that every city of any size in the U.S. had a local brewery, and local brands. Try finding local beers outside of yuppie and hipster bars these days).

This country is a supplier, not a consumer (not in any significant way) of the drugs that are illegal both here and in the United States. While presumably legalization of the opium poppy and marijuana market (and, ok, maybe meth manufacturing) here might take some criminals out of the equation — who would find other opportunities to exploit, and at least would be investing their cash at home — I don't see that it would benefit the ultimate suppliers all that much. U.S. legalization would likely lead to attempts to control the market... as it has with other Mexican agricultural exports.


http://mexfiles.net
http://mexicobookpublishers.com


cbviajero

Jan 3, 2014, 4:13 PM

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This country is a supplier, not a consumer (not in any significant way) of the drugs that are illegal both here and in the United States..

From what I've observed living in Guadalajara there is definitely a significant domestic market for illegal drugs here.


richmx2


Jan 3, 2014, 4:31 PM

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Compared to a similar demographic north of the border? By far, the intoxicants that are a public health problem are paint thinner and alcohol. Where you do see "drug use" (of the U.S. variety) is around gringo ghettos, tourist spots and near the U.S. border...sure, some in Mexico do use the various national products, but even the Calderòn Administration, in talking about a doubling of the usage rate was only talking about 2 percent of the population... not the 45 percent of so in the U.S. who have used marijuana.

Don't know what your neighborhood is like, but mine (Mexican working middle class, no other gringos) doesn't tolerate marijuana users. Drunks we put up with... but even the college kids downstairs did everything possible to avoid anyone knowing they were blowing a little dope on the back patio one night (it was rather cute).


http://mexfiles.net
http://mexicobookpublishers.com

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Bennie García

Jan 3, 2014, 4:49 PM

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Compared to a similar demographic north of the border? By far, the intoxicants that are a public health problem are paint thinner and alcohol. Where you do see "drug use" (of the U.S. variety) is around gringo ghettos, tourist spots and near the U.S. border....


You must be kidding. The majority of the workers on construction sites in Guadalajara reek of mota at some time during the day. You probably have never been to a ladrillero either.


cbviajero

Jan 3, 2014, 5:31 PM

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Compared to a similar demographic north of the border?

Yes.I grew up in a working middle class neighborhood in LA similar to the one I live in here in Guadalajara and the ready availability of street drugs is about the same as far as I can tell,one exception might be heroin,which isn't nearly as popular here as it is in LA.


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Gringal

Jan 5, 2014, 11:34 AM

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I grew up in a working class neighborhood in L.A.; not even up to middle class. I agree that the morality factor hasn't changed much. At the time, the police were as corrupt about enforcing the law where a payoff was available as they are in the worst of Mexico. Much later, the law enforcement was cleaned up......somewhat. And that, amigos, was a long time ago.

My book learning was acquired the hard way. So, from the "intellectual book" point of view, I will simply comment that those who are either ignorant of or who ignore history are destined to repeat it. Not an original comment, but one to think about before alleging that things are so much different than they used to be in the old days when good, church going people were "better" and wouldn't steal. Hah. Kids in my neighborhood stole anything they could; then went to church on Sunday.

Back in those days, there was no pontificating about a need for religion in the schools, before, during or after classes. The Pledge of Allegiance was strictly in favor of country. God was added during the Age of Hypocrisy which gave us the joys of McCarthyism and intrusion into individual privacy. That was also about the time that strange fruit hung from Southern trees, Jim Crow laws were abundant and females were treated as a lower life form in the job market. I think things in general are actually better than they were then. So do a lot of other minorities and women.

If there is anything new and disgusting in today's society, it is the obscene ratio of the haves to the have-nots. But of course that, too, has parallels in history. One of my favorites is that employees of a huge world-wide corporation need food stamps to make ends meet.
Cake, anyone?


Bennie García

Jan 5, 2014, 12:59 PM

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek6hBmoaeS4


Gringal

Jan 5, 2014, 2:07 PM

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LOLOLOL!


mazbeach

Jan 5, 2014, 2:27 PM

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I've already shared it several times. Thanks.


tonyburton


Jan 5, 2014, 2:49 PM

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Looks like this thread has reached the end of its natural life, but if you wish to continue a discussion related to Mexico, then feel free to start a new thread.
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