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John Shrall

Mar 13, 2014, 3:03 PM

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John, we're in Mexico City, where we can apply for a passport and receive it the same day. The other good news is that a passport costs half the standard posted price if you have an INAPAM card.

Same with the credencial (voter registration card): the office where we go is just around the corner and they give it to you the same day you apply.


We were told we could go to the main office in Guadalajara and get a passport in one day also. We were also told to expect to wait most of the day but if you have the time it works. A 10 year passport was half price at $1045 pesos being over age 60. Are you able to get 50% off that price?

The credencial seems to be a very important card to have as it's used in a lot of places as your identification. No need to schlep around a passport when you have one of those.

There is going to be a lot of wait time before you're really finished. At times you think it's never going to end. We thought we were done but are now waiting another 2 weeks to get our nationality changed on our Jalisco driver's license. After that I think we'll finally be done dealing with the government for many years.


citlali

Mar 13, 2014, 4:07 PM

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In Chiapas we get the passport in one day as well unless the bank put a XX as a maternal name and then it is 2 days..
The IFE card is about a month down here.


marlie2014

Mar 14, 2014, 11:23 AM

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My husband's IFE took nearly three months in Nuevo Laredo. It wasn't new, however. He had lost his old one from Morelos a few years ago and never bothered to replace it until he learned that he absolutely had to bring it with him when he accompanies me to my appointment with the SRE.

So here's yet another update on my side. Yesterday when I arrived home from work I had an e-mail from Nuevo Laredo INM telling me to contact my lawyer before I attempted to change my passport at the consulate, as they had received word that my CURP had already been changed. They wrote, "We don't know how he did it."

Unbelievingly, I went to the website and searched under my maiden name. Sure enough, there it was! Astonishing! And it was not simply a completely different CURP (I saw threads on this site showing how some had two separate CURPs and thought that might be what would happen with me), but showed that it had changed from my old CURP starting with the letters of my married name to this new CURP which incorporates letters from my maiden name.

On Tuesday after INM had expressed their doubts, I had panicked and begged my husband to find a lawyer who could look into getting my CURP changed. As I mentioned, finding lawyers who specialize in immigration in my city is next to impossible. And this particular lawyer, a friend of my husband's, is not a specialist in immigration, either. Even so, he apparently has plenty of connections and managed to get a "juicio" within two days and convince a civil judge to issue me a new CURP in my maiden name. Now, this was not free as it would have been if immigration had been able to do it. It cost me around $300. But...

Worth every penny.

So now I have my own appointment on the 26th to go to SRE in Monterrey with my husband, take the test (I am not allowed an exemption as I am well below 60), have him sign off and hope and pray that they accept everything this time. I cancelled my passport appointment at the consulate because they may not have been able to issue me my new passport in time for this appointment, and SRE already indicated that they would accept my current passport as-is along with the constancia from my consulate and my changed CURP. They also indicated that, once I receive the carta de naturalizacion, I will be known in Mexico by my maiden name. Frankly, I could care less. As long as they naturalize me, they can call me Bo Jangles or Kitty Kat or whatever they like. Ha ha ha

Wish me well on the 26th!


YucaLandia


Mar 14, 2014, 1:26 PM

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In the odd twists and turns of Mexican bureaucracies - it may be possible that taking the "written test" on Mexican history and culture may well be far easier than thanking the "over 60" ... "interview"... on Mexican history and culture.

An "over 60" friend just did this last week at Merida's SRE - and he swears that the written test would have been much easier to pass. He said the written test is just 5 written questions - with printed multiple choice answers you can read. You study the 100 current questions, memorize the answers - and then just get 3 out of 5 correct.

The SRE here insisted that over 60's must still show competency in conversation, and Mexican history and culture. They gave him a 12 question ORAL quiz.... Oral quizzes can be much harder than written tests, and 2 of the 12 questions were NOT on the 100 question standard list. e.g. They wanted the full names of the people on the $20 peso notes and $200 peso notes - with titles.

Quick, how many of you can say the title and full name of the person on the $200 peso note - when asked orally ?

For many of us, reading is easier than listening to a rapidly-spoken oral question.

They did allow him to fish around for answers - as it was an oral (not verbal) format.

and... the "over 60" oral version allowed him to make more mistakes than the 2 on the written version - which is maybe why he had to answer a total of 12 questions, because he missed some of them - even with fishing to try to figure out just what he was asked in the modestly-rapid Spanish oral question.


How many of you would prefer ~ a 5 question standardized written , "multiple-choice answer" test?
or
12 question oral test - with 2 questions not from the official "list of 100", with the questioner being liberal in allowing you to fumble your way to an answer?

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YucaLandia


Mar 14, 2014, 1:31 PM

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Post Script: Even though he missed 4 out of 12 oral questions, (fumbling his way to 8 correct answers), they are requiring him to come back again in 2 weeks to "re-do" the oral conversation part of the exam.

They told him to practice ordinary day-to-day market/gas-station/street conversations - as they "want citizens to be able to have ordinary chats with Mexicans they meet in day-to-day interactions"... be able to talk about the weather, families, do you like the opera or symphony?, etc.

These sorts of conversations are standard fare for Yucatecos - where you can't just pay the cashier and go (like NOB), instead you need to chat about ....

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marlie2014

Mar 14, 2014, 2:04 PM

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Yikes! I can't remember ever having had a conversation about what's on a $200 peso bill. Not to sound like I've gotten too big for my britches, but most people tell me that my Spanish is very good -- pronunciation, grammar and even accent -- due to years of hard work and practice. Even so, living on the border has probably made it a bit more difficult to learn some things such as how to think in Celsius and how to think in meters since I spend most of the day during the week working on the US side where we still use Farenheit, feet, etc. However, while I speak English with my boss on the job, Laredo is very much a Hispanic city and I speak a great deal of Spanish to customers and coworkers alike.

I'm sure that living in the interior must be very different indeed. That poor gentleman with the 12 questions. I feel sorry for him!

I am quite curious to see how, besides the 5-question test, the SRE chooses to "test" me. They already know that I can speak their language because of the many conversations I have had with them. In fact, I think they're fairly amused by it, to judge by the looks on their faces when I've been there. Perhaps they aren't used to having white people apply so near the border? In both of my visits to the SRE so far, I was definitely the only natural blonde in the room.

Although I've been studying for some time, I'm nervous about the 5-question test. Some web sites have given me one answer to a question, while other sites have given me a different answer. I've had several people check the guide and disagree on some of the answers. I hope to heaven I pass.


John Shrall

Mar 14, 2014, 6:05 PM

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Interesting. No test of any sort for folks over 60 in the Guadalajara SRE office. A little conversation but nothing that might be considered a test.


Gringal

Mar 15, 2014, 8:44 AM

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Conversation in English or Spanish?


YucaLandia


Mar 15, 2014, 10:37 AM

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Answer from $200 peso note question above:
Poetess y playwright " Sor. Juana Inés de la Cruz de Asbaje y Ramírez "


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(This post was edited by YucaLandia on Mar 15, 2014, 10:39 AM)


John Shrall

Mar 15, 2014, 11:04 AM

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Conversation in English or Spanish?


Spanish of course. Nothing scripted, just general conversation during part of the hour it took to process all the documents.


citlali

Mar 15, 2014, 8:40 PM

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There is a 200 questions list you can get from the SRE site and they are "supposed" to pick the questions from the 200 that are on the site.

In Guadalajara there is no test after 60 and the need for Spanish is minimal. My husband can read Spanish but has a tough time speaking it and so there was just basic questions about the form or what to do nothing that could be considered a test not even a conversation. He was just told to make an effort with Spansih.

The various answers from various posters shows again that each office pretty much does whatever they want to do.

I knew about the 200 peso bill because a sister is different but as far as the other bills unles I have the bill in front of me I have no idea f what is on them...


(This post was edited by citlali on Mar 15, 2014, 8:45 PM)


esperanza

Mar 16, 2014, 7:47 PM

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On Tuesday at the SRE in Mexico City, one of their lawyers came out and asked Judy a few questions about her application. She asked him, "is this my Spanish test?" (All conversation in Spanish, of course, as had been all of her other dealings with the office.) "Yes, and you passed," was his reply.

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marlie2014

Mar 17, 2014, 5:58 AM

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Thank you, I never paid attention before to any of the bills except the one with Benito Juarez on it.

It's actually 100 questions on the SRE site, but the problem is that none of the answers are provided there (there's a reference to a history book but it does not contain all of the answers). That's where I keep running into "what if it's actually something else?"


citlali

Mar 17, 2014, 6:11 AM

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you can google all the ones you are not sure about, Most of them are pretty easy and there are no trick quesions.


marlie2014

Mar 17, 2014, 8:13 AM

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That's exactly the problem. I did google them, and came up with different answers. When you google how many peninsulas Mexico has, for instance, some sources tell you two (which is what everyone says) and some tell you four, the other two being teeny-tiny ones. So which answer is correct?


Aaron+

Mar 17, 2014, 9:45 AM

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SRE says TWO, referring to the two principal peninsulas, the Baja (also called the California peninsula) and the Yucatan. See
http://www.nacionalidadmexicana.com/...nsulas-tiene-mexico/ where the peninsular q&a is given as an example.


marlie2014

Mar 17, 2014, 9:58 AM

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Thanks. I tried it on my work computer and kept getting an error message. I'll try it again at home.


citlali

Mar 17, 2014, 9:58 AM

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yes someone who took the test said 2 to me as well and that what the kids ´s bokk at school say as well.


YucaLandia


Mar 17, 2014, 10:02 AM

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2 is the official SRE answer.

I do not know the correct answer, so maybe Tony B can tell us.
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tonyburton / Moderator


Mar 17, 2014, 10:22 AM

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This is like asking, "How long is Mexico's coastline?" It all depends on scale!
At a broad scale, Mexico has two major peninsulas. At a more local scale, Mexico has dozens and dozens of peninsulas.


tonyburton / Moderator


Mar 17, 2014, 7:06 PM

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Thread has become too long and unwieldy (hence the lock) ~ but please feel free to start another!
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