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PS

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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The Village Gringa ~ About to take the Plunge!

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Greetings!
I'm an independent woman traveler with three decades of Mexico travel/exploration; I speak good Spanish now & hope to become fluent. <p>Now, after three winters of searching for my new "home"
south of the border, I think I've found just the right sort of spot for me: a pretty colonial village of 25,000; off-the-beaten-path, warm climate, well-integrated indigenous population, beautiful setting, bountiful fresh fruits & vegetables, adequate water, & reasonably close to a colonial city I'm mad about. <p>It's a quiet village, with a few Mexican vsitors from DF on weekends; it's got a tiny foreign expat community, but currently no other gringo residents. The past three years, I've spent a considerable amount of time in this village & now am ready to look for a long term rental. I've fallen in love with this village!<p>If YOU made a similar choice, please tell me how it worked out for you! There are bound to be pitfalls & I'd like to hear your experiences. Obviously, the adjustment to a village where one's the lone gringo is bound to be different than settling into a large city, or a town filled with American & Canadian expats. <p>I look forward to hearing from you! Feel free email directly, if you prefer.
!Andele!
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JZ

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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Just a question...not judging, just wondering

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Why would you want to be the only White gal in the community? The reason I ask, is I lived in Kingston Jamaica some years back and I was one of the few Latin Americans living there. <p>All in all, it was a pleasant experience, but I recall feeling lonely the first six months, without anyone to really relate to completely.<p>I loved Jamaica overall, and I learned a great deal more than some people that aren't given opportunities that I had, but I was also the recipient of a great deal of unwanted attention...and even some racism. One time, I was refused entry into a theater in downtown Kingston, because I was white. <p>In any regard, if you've found your world, I wish you great success and happiness.


keith

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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good for you!

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Robin

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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I noticed something in your pictures......

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First of all, your pictures were beautiful.<p>However, on the "getting water" picture, I noticed some gang graffiti spray painted on the stone wall in front of that building. What's up with that? Are there a bunch of gangsters down there? Do they play loud music that rattles the windows of your house? Those are the things I am hoping to get away from one day. However if Mexico is like that I will just stay in Houston because we have plenty of that mess here!


keith

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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I noticed something in your pictures......

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well, it does look like graffiti, doesn't it. Usually the closest thing to graffiti we have are the political slogans on repainted walls just before elections. We don't have gangs--the closest we have to that are some clannish families, and usually any violence is intra-family rather than inter-family--one cousin shooting another one over some deal gone bad. We do have loud music in town, and whatever time of day it is has nothing to do with it. The attitude is that if you are playing your music loud, you aren't disturbing anyone, you are just letting them in on your good time. This is one of the reasons why I'm glad our place is outside of town. I've been sitting here for about five minutes wondering if this is the situation (re noise) in all small Mexican towns. That's the way it is in all the little towns in the Sierra Madre that I know about. I wonder if there is any part of Mexico where this isn't the attitude. I'm going to make a post outside this thread asking that.


PS

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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good for you!

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: It's kind of hard for me to think of 25,000 people as "a village", but I suppose these things are relative. I did something similar 28 years ago with a village of about 500 people. It's grown to about 1,200 since then, and I'm thinking of moving to once again out to the country. It has worked out well for me and my family. We've almost always spent part of our time there and part of our time in the US of A, and even when we were living in a really tiny apartment and not making a lot of money, we always felt rich having our place in Mexico to escape to (which we have managed to do almost every year). If you'd like more of our story and to see pictures of our area, you could check out the link I'll include. (Ignore the advertising come-on on the home page and go to the Info and Pictures sections.) I don't feel like I need to keep our place secret. We used to greet visitors at the front door by saying, "if you made it this far, you're probably ok." And it is still pretty much that way. Actually, it would be nice to have a few neighbors who embrace the pot-luck concept. <p>Hi Keith,
Your photo is enchanting! Thanks for adding it to the mix. And yes, I'd like very much to hear more of your experiences. As to what constitutes a village: In my mind, size alone is not the only criteria: Tho the village I refer to has an official population of 25K, almost no one owns a vehicle. It's an agricultural village, thus just a few blocks outside the boundaries of the cobbled lanes, the roads turn to dirt & lead directly into fields planted with a wide variety of furits, vegetables, & flowers. On any given day, there are bound to be more donkeys, horses, & horse-drawn carts than vehicles in the village. <p>Three years ago, I rented for two years in a "town" of only 5K people; this place, on the other hand, had a major highway running thru town a block off the main plaza. The town was filled with cars & trucks. In spite of it's being a small colonial town, it was not far from a big city & the town was very much a "town" rather than a village. But perhaps village in your scheme of things refers to what I think of as little "settlements" of a few houses or farms...<p>But, yes: to me a population, isolated by distance & geography, who pursue a "primitive" type of agriculture--meaning hand plowing, no tractors, hand-harvested corn, etc--& an indigenous population who still wear traditional dress & follow anchient customs: to me this constitutes a "village."<p>I had no idea we'd weave a thread on the "village" them, but I'm glad it's happened! Just the word "village" evokes pleasant emotions in my heart. As does the word "rebozo" for Mexicans.<p>


Uncle Jack

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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Mind sharing you secret?

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Where is this wonderful place that you have chosen?


Anita

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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Mind sharing you secret?

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Actually, I can think of some villages in Chiapas that would come pretty close to this description. I remember driving thru them 15 yrs ago and the people looking at us like we were Martians.


PS

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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Mind sharing you secret?

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: Where is this wonderful place that you have chosen?<p>LOL! Actually, I DO mind...but I WILL divulge my method for finding such a gem. There a many, many wonderful small colonial towns & villages in the highlands still uninhabited by expats. <p>First, find a good size colonial city you like. No matter how much of a village bench warmer you are at heart, eventually you'll need to go "to town" for something. So you might as well look forward to it!
Once you've chosen your "city," it's time to begin exploring for towns & villages outside it's perimeter. In my case, I ended up falling in love with a village that's nearly two hours' drive over an unpaved dirt road into the "city." You won't find many leads to these little towns & villages in guide books; you need to ask around. (Mexicans are justly proud of their colonial gems & often these little towns & villages draw crowds of pilgrims to their churches for special saint's days.) <p>Think of it as a quest! The time you spend exploring is well-spent & should be enjoyable. Don't rush it. You will be amazed at how many wonderful towns & village exist right under your nose.
So there you have it: my secret.
Que el espiritu vaga,
PS<p>


Marlene in Mazatlan

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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Why would you post in the first place if you wanted to keep it a secret? NFM

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: : Where is this wonderful place that you have chosen?<p>: LOL! Actually, I DO mind...but I WILL divulge my method for finding such a gem. There a many, many wonderful small colonial towns & villages in the highlands still uninhabited by expats. <p>: First, find a good size colonial city you like. No matter how much of a village bench warmer you are at heart, eventually you'll need to go "to town" for something. So you might as well look forward to it!
: Once you've chosen your "city," it's time to begin exploring for towns & villages outside it's perimeter. In my case, I ended up falling in love with a village that's nearly two hours' drive over an unpaved dirt road into the "city." You won't find many leads to these little towns & villages in guide books; you need to ask around. (Mexicans are justly proud of their colonial gems & often these little towns & villages draw crowds of pilgrims to their churches for special saint's days.) <p>: Think of it as a quest! The time you spend exploring is well-spent & should be enjoyable. Don't rush it. You will be amazed at how many wonderful towns & village exist right under your nose.
: So there you have it: my secret.
: Que el espiritu vaga,
: PS<p>


Marlene

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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How do we know you are real PS???

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For living in such an out of the way place you certainly do have quick internet access. I envy you, wherever your secret hideaway is!! ta ta for now.
Marlene.<p>
: Welllllllll,
: My stated reason for posting was to discover other independent expats living in out-of-the-way places & share experiences with them. By describing my little shangri-la I'd hoped to stimulate some interest & some replies from a few interesting like-minded folks. Maybe even to get others sharing thoughts as to how THEY found that *just right spot for them. I had no master plan--was just hoping for the possibility of a little serendipity. If that's allowed here...
: (What's wrong with a secret, Marlene?) <p>


PS

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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Why would you post in the first place if you wanted to keep it a secret? NFM

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Welllllllll,
My stated reason for posting was to discover other independent expats living in out-of-the-way places & share experiences with them. By describing my little shangri-la I'd hoped to stimulate some interest & some replies from a few interesting like-minded folks. Maybe even to get others sharing thoughts as to how THEY found that *just right spot for them. I had no master plan--was just hoping for the possibility of a little serendipity. If that's allowed here...
(What's wrong with a secret, Marlene?)


don

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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Who Cares? nmsg

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: For living in such an out of the way place you certainly do have quick internet access. I envy you, wherever your secret hideaway is!! ta ta for now.
: Marlene.<p>:
: : Welllllllll,
: : My stated reason for posting was to discover other independent expats living in out-of-the-way places & share experiences with them. By describing my little shangri-la I'd hoped to stimulate some interest & some replies from a few interesting like-minded folks. Maybe even to get others sharing thoughts as to how THEY found that *just right spot for them. I had no master plan--was just hoping for the possibility of a little serendipity. If that's allowed here...
: : (What's wrong with a secret, Marlene?) <p>


kate

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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Give her a break.she doesn't say she's there yet nfm

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: For living in such an out of the way place you certainly do have quick internet access. I envy you, wherever your secret hideaway is!! ta ta for now.
: Marlene.<p>:
: : Welllllllll,
: : My stated reason for posting was to discover other independent expats living in out-of-the-way places & share experiences with them. By describing my little shangri-la I'd hoped to stimulate some interest & some replies from a few interesting like-minded folks. Maybe even to get others sharing thoughts as to how THEY found that *just right spot for them. I had no master plan--was just hoping for the possibility of a little serendipity. If that's allowed here...
: : (What's wrong with a secret, Marlene?) <p>


sparks

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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Don't most dream of a little shangri la

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that you don't tell the whole world about. I certainly understand her reluctance. Then again, maybe it's still a dream. Whatever, it still works for me.


Marlene in Mazatlan

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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You hit the nail on the head.

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You are right Sparks...I was too hasty to see what you saw....I just knew something didn't sit right for me in this thread! Thanks for the insight!
M<p>
: that you don't tell the whole world about. I certainly understand her reluctance. Then again, maybe it's still a dream. Whatever, it still works for me.<p>


sparks

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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We may need to read a book

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to get those kind of stories. None seem to be popping up here. I remember bits and pieces in various books about very small town experiences but not as the main theme.


PS

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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Other Sharks to Fry

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What a revelation it's been posting to this forum!
How curious that the description of my adopted village would inspire ire & negativity. Lovely, quiet, unspoiled towns & villages can be found all over Mexico--for anyone who seeks them--especially if one is willing to venture farther south & unplugg from expat colonies or the more familiar, touristed large cities. <p>Why wonder if I am "real," Marlene? Do you know so little of Mexico to be unable to imagine it's breadth & diversity? Or perhaps it's me, & others like me, about whom you know & understand so little? Marlene, why muddy an otherwise interesting, up-beat thread if you've nothing of value to contribute? Surely you must have other sharks to fry.


keith

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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We may need to read a book

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you're right, sparks, most of the people living in small places aren't on-line for a bunch of reasons, including not having access to the web (most of the time I don't either), but when you say, "none seem to be popping up here," I guess you skipped by my post near the top of this thread. You can check out my scene and the village where I spend most of my time there. Not many of the people living in remote areas are writing books either. For a fictionalized account of such a situation, you might try Stones for Ybarra.


sparks

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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We may need to read a book

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Thanks for the book suggestion. No I did see yours, should have said not many popping up here. I was amazed that quality picture loaded so fast even on a dialup. Nice web site as well. Do you know those people that have a school of construction Mexico style. Not sure what part of the canyon they live. I've been tempted to contact them ... maybe some day.<p>Can't find the web site<p>I hope to do a little "village" traveling when I have more time.


keith

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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that's us!

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we were calling outselve a school of homestead skills for a while, but we got absolutely zero response, so we have stopped promoting that angle. we could still teach you any of those skills, however. I've just passed on to Odysseus, our 16 year-old, that you liked the site he did for us. Thank you for the positive strokes.
 
 
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