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papayalover

Aug 28, 2012, 10:17 AM

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...unity_n_1834400.html

stevebrtx

Aug 28, 2012, 10:41 AM

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I believe you mistake the word "frank" meaning serious, journalistic, insightful for the word "JUNK" meaning tripe, trash, driveby media castoff and totally unprofessional and uninformed. So, some guy came down (or maybe not even that) and drank a bit, tooled around and yes, you can find anyone down here to fit your template, we're a microcosm of society from everywhere, we've got at least one of every kind and so you go find them and write your story. I could find you a hundred that are totally opposite.

Why do you read that junk, it's trash, if you want to believe it, fine, it's your prerogative, I view it as a positive article to keep the riffraff and timid from coming down here cluttering up the place.

Yes, I know people who have left and who are not coming back, but I get mail all the time at the weather station from people "on their way down" so what, my gosh, as a writer if that's the depth of your journalistic capacity, you're running on bone empty with all the serious problems in the country, countries, world to choose from - but then again, I guess you have to consider the publisher huh? - fluff is as fluff does.
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Chapala Payaso

Aug 28, 2012, 11:53 AM

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Whenever reading an article, first consider the source. If articles like this one continue, I am happy because less folks North of the border will not come here. I look forward to the next articles on Detroit and Los Angeles.

esperanza

Aug 28, 2012, 12:26 PM

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Geez, Steve, why don't you tell us what you really think! I actually think this is a pretty fair write-up...fair in terms of a balanced presentation, not hyped-up out of all recognition, and a decent assessment of the situation.

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stevebrtx

Aug 28, 2012, 12:45 PM

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The guy is a hack and the "publication" is the morning fish wrapper. I'd be embarrassed if I had to make a living writing that tripe. And yes, as I said, good, do more of it, but if you live down here and know the truth, don't read that stuff, it rots your brain and don't post it as "frank" journalism.

If that guy wants to write about something substantive, he should be writing about something like this:http://www.100abandonedhouses.com/ that is truly a tragedy and a story, of course he'd have to have the cahones to call out the unions.

You notice he didn't know the body dump was supposed to happen in Guad - gee, guess he missed that and really, what a couple of geezers pontificate about the Lake area should be worthy of publication is something so vaunted as the HuffFishWrapper? - give me a break.

You want to write about our community? - write about the humanitarian aspect of people that give hundreds of hours for saving animals, or the contributions to help when Dr. Pepe needed heart surgery, or the effort to help pay the clinic bill for the lady that passed or the work done in and for orphanages by gringos, the list in extremely long, but then I guess that wouldn't be highbrow enough for the "investigative journalistic" standards of a publication that is failing due to their own inanity.

Basically I'm sick and tired of the driveby media who never get off the carretera but point and laugh and drive on.
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esperanza

Aug 28, 2012, 1:12 PM

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Steve, the man is writing about the Guadalajara/Lake Chapala area, not 100 abandoned houses in the USA. Give it a rest, the article may not be from the NYTimes--or whatever you consider to be a respectable news source--but his information is better than most of what is published.

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joaquinx

Aug 28, 2012, 1:23 PM

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Huffingtonpost is known for not paying its contributors. What they want is page hits to sell advertising. This guy must be popular.
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Chapala Payaso

Aug 28, 2012, 1:24 PM

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The source is not here in Mexico. Has he ever been here? If not, then he is using second and third hand for information and his own thoughts or biases to fill a column in an article. It is sterile research.

stevebrtx

Aug 28, 2012, 2:23 PM

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Well, there's one bit of good news, at least they didn't waste any money on that moron. I suppose the two things that gall me most about this junk is that first I was dumb enough to click on the link thinking it might be serious without noticing the source and I can assure you, none of you have enough money to pay me to click on anything printed by the NYT's. Years before I left Austin I canceled the local bird cage liner because they reprinted way too many NYT's articles. Secondly I'm annoyed because every time one of these gets referenced here on a forum I get at least one, usually more, emails from people wanting to come down, all in a lather, and I end up having to explain things - hey folks, ain't in my job description. And as noted, most, if not all, was likely combed from 3rd hand sources while he sips a latte by the pool in wherever NOB.
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Musicman

Aug 28, 2012, 2:25 PM

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Steve, did the crimes not occur? Do you not believe legalizing marijuana would greatly reduce cartel activities? Guess I just don't get your angst.

stevebrtx

Aug 28, 2012, 2:49 PM

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I'll go you one better, at 5am on the Tuesday while that was happening I was awakened by 5 very distinct gun shots at "the park" close to me and 3 days later they found 5 bodies here in Riberas, connected, who knows? - why is no one digging into that? - now, that would be investigative journalism. As I clearly stated I'm tired of trying to explain away the stupidity of the junk some people write.

If you want a drink from the firehose on the stupidity of legalizing you came to the right place. Apparently you've not been paying attention, we have to go through this educational process about every 6 months it seems. Let me see if I can put it on a bumper sticker as we say back home.

If legalizing marijuana would stop cartels then:
Pencils misspell words
Cars make people drive drunk
Spoons make Rosie O'Donnell fat

The point being cartels are violent criminals, marijuana is simply a tool, a commodity, you take away one source of revenue and they'll quickly replace it - and guess who the biggest, fattest, nearest available chickens are to pluck? - remember that tomorrow when you're looking into your shaving mirror.
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DavidHF

Aug 28, 2012, 3:24 PM

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Steve and I don't agree on some things but I do agree with his comments about the article. The vans of bodies were NOT discovered by Lake Chapala, as the author claims, they were on the Guad/La Barca highway many miles away. Also, Chapala and Ajijic are not communities of "colorful streets and aging monasteries." Just where are these monasteries? In seven years of living here I've not seen them. These serious errors of fact call the entire article into question. It's a piece of poorly researched sensationalist journalism and nothing more.

don pedro

Aug 28, 2012, 3:37 PM

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as a canadian, who rarely looks at yanqui[ahem!]news[ahem!] of any sort,i find it interesting that some of you find this more or less accurate but short take on our area here in chapala, so obnoxious that you become appoplectic over it-SNORK!
he did include some nice fotos too, but the age of them suggests that he wasn't here physically-jeje!
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Bennie García

Aug 28, 2012, 3:47 PM

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So what will they find as lucrative as the drug trade stevie?

Kidnap and extortion victims are finite sources of revenue. They don't come close to what illegal drugs, which are easy and cheap to produce, can bring in indefinitely. And the rubbish about the fattest chicken to pluck is just more of your typical ignorant arrogance. If they started targeting foreigners, that market would last only as long as it takes them to board a plane leaving the country.

Regardless, as far as Mexico is concerned, you have no voice in the matter. You are a just guest in this country. And you should remember that every time you look in the mirror.

AlanMexicali

Aug 28, 2012, 4:12 PM

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quote- Steve and I don't agree on some things but I do agree with his comments about the article. The vans of bodies were NOT discovered by Lake Chapala, as the author claims, they were on the Guad/La Barca highway many miles away. Also, Chapala and Ajijic are not communities of "colorful streets and aging monasteries." Just where are these monasteries? In seven years of living here I've not seen them. These serious errors of fact call the entire article into question. It's a piece of poorly researched sensationalist journalism and nothing more. -quote-

"Ultimately, the Franciscans would completely colonize Ajijic, and in 1535 build their first monastery. During the Cristero Wars of the late 1920s, the monastery was seized by the state, and today is a private residence called Casa Los Suenos (House of Dreams).¨"

http://www.chapala.com/...ges_guad/ajijic.html Here it is for sale now: http://www.continentalajijic.com/listings.html -
Casa Los Sueños -

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Musicman

Aug 28, 2012, 4:53 PM

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Pass the fire hose and paint me stupid--legalizing pot will, I say, "will" reduce the violence. I'm stupid and your nuts.

stevebrtx

Aug 28, 2012, 6:10 PM

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Bennie Bennie Bennie, you've been down here so long you've become "localized" and lost you ability to think things through. Let me hold your hand and take you through a possible scenario. Legalize pot and what happens, it almost instantly becomes worthless, anyone can grow it, anyone can buy it. It takes a big chunk out of cartel profits right? Being businessmen, they need to fill in the lost source of revenue as best they can, I think we can all agree on that, they certainly aren't going back to washing cars at WalMart.

As I proffer, we, the gringo community throughout MX, are a nice fat target and readily available for plucking. Of course we're no where near the value of the existing pot market, but the cartels have never been accused of being rocket scientists or thinking their way through things long term. Like any criminal they'll grab anything they can when they can before another cartel gets there first. Wealthy Mexicans already know how, and have their bases covered - we are totally exposed, gringos don't have a clue.

Oh, but that would bring in the US Government? - probably at some point, but the cartels have shown no compunction regarding killing or destroying complete swaths of Mexico for their own personal gain, by the time the US could, or would, react we'd be toast and whatever happens after we're gone won't really matter much will it?

Now, we've not really specified where it would be legalized, here? - or the US? Bennie, it's possible I could have something to say about it and I know this will distress you, but I'm giving serious consideration to making Mexico my permanent home. You see I'm approaching my 5 year point and so the path to citizenship isn't all that long. I realize it's a bit early to be sending out invitations to my citizenship party, but be assured you'll be right up there at the top.

So you see, it's the domino affect, really not that hard to imagine when you think it through - is it?
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Bennie García

Aug 28, 2012, 8:08 PM

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Like any criminal they'll grab anything they can when they can before another cartel gets there first. Wealthy Mexicans already know how, and have their bases covered - we are totally exposed, gringos don't have a clue.

Undoubtedly you are one gringo without a clue. If, as you claim, they can and will grab anything they can, why hasn't that happened? I mean, you speak with such authority on the subject I an sure you can give a plausible explanation why they aren't grabbing old gringos such as yourself off the street in broad daylight.

And wealthy Mexicans are immune? Hardly. I doubt very much you are capable of carrying on a prolonged conversation with a Mexican so I equally doubt you have much insight into how many of them feel about the situation

AlanMexicali

Aug 29, 2012, 4:54 AM

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-quote- Steve and I don't agree on some things but I do agree with his comments about the article. The vans of bodies were NOT discovered by Lake Chapala, as the author claims, they were on the Guad/La Barca highway many miles away. Also, Chapala and Ajijic are not communities of "colorful streets and aging monasteries." Just where are these monasteries? In seven years of living here I've not seen them. These serious errors of fact call the entire article into question. It's a piece of poorly researched sensationalist journalism and nothing more. -quote-

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...apala_n_1504421.html

I reread the article and it stated that the 2 vans were found "near" Lake Chapala not "at" Lake Chapala, which is correct.

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DavidHF

Aug 29, 2012, 7:07 AM

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Since they were found closer to El Salto, Tlajomulco, and Ixtlahuacan I think the "close to Lake Chapala" is pushing the envelope.

Vichil

Aug 29, 2012, 7:12 AM

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Since you have to pass the Ixtlahuacan area to reach the other side of the Chapala Municipality near Lake Chapala is not incoorect, near is always relative; i, f you are in Chapala you may think that Ixtlahuacan is far but if you are in another part of Jalisco or in the US Itlxlahuacan is near Chapala. The mountain makes it appar far but in miles the distance is very close. Since the victims were from the Lake area , I would say that the murders affected out area wether far or close.

DavidHF

Aug 29, 2012, 8:05 AM

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They were "near" Guadalajara too. The title of the article is also a stretch. BTW, only a few of the victims were from the Lakeside area.

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johninajijic

Aug 29, 2012, 8:45 AM

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