Aug 27, 2012, 9:18 AM
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Re: [La Isla] INM Variations ~ Late Fees and other "Rules" ~ Yucatan Style
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Yucalandia, do you know why this guy waited 5 whole months to renew his visa? In your first post you wrote it was "odd" that he waited so long. Since he an older gentleman who, as you wrote, gets a bit confused at times, I wonder why his didn't wife see to it that he got to INM on time. I think it's lovely to give special consideration to older people or others with physical limitations, but it does sound as though your friend got away with paying a much lower fine than he should have. Just my opinion, of course.
I had the same questions as he told the story.
I can only guess as to why, because he acted sheepishly when describing that part, and I think I saw shades of embarrassment coloring his story. I did not want to push the issue, as I suspect that he forgot, and then he noticed that he was late, he felt bad about forgetting ... and procrastinated?? Hence, my comment about his situation being "odd".
I saw no need to scold him, judge him, nor to try to control him, so, it took the story at face value: He was pitiful, humble, needed help, and some people at INM took pity on him and were kind and tolerant.
On the other side of the coin: pushy approaches can get pushy responses, where some people simply reflect back what others broadcast.
Yucatecans are known for blending an interesting combination of extreme politeness and quiet determination. A wise Argentinian married to a Yucateco noted that while being incredibly polite, they really can be Yucatercos. One (racist?) dicho here says: " Cuando el indio dice "ma", es "ma"... " (a.k.a. Don't push things.)
"Ma" means "no" in Yucatec Maya. Ironically, Yucatec Maya has no simple word for "yes"... They use "bey" as an affirmative reply, but "bey" really more closely means that they are affirming that they heard and understand you. Just as Yucatecan spoken Spanish is peppered with Maya words, their attitudes are also subtley affected. As a result, if you back a Yucatecan into a corner, to lever out some agreement, when that Yucatecan orally agrees to do what you have proposed, they often find later ways to wriggle out, like fish scooting off into the shallows.
Does this make them unreliable and capricious? or Are their behaviors predictable - where they appreciate and generally give long term rewards for graciousness and humility, and occasionally punish petty-ness and manipulation?
Yucatan was isolated from the rest of Mexico for 400 years, requiring fairly long boat trips to get here. Yucatan applied to become a US state at one point. We are the only state with an official flag (the red signifying blood shed for our 50 years of independence from Mexico during the Caste Wars), and many Yucatecans self-identify as Yucatecan first and Mexican second. All of which is partly why I made the original post, because I suspect that some things are different here. Gentleness and humility are often rewarded, while they resist hubris & control - with classic passive-aggressive responses to pushy behavior. or maybe these are qualities found across Mexico?
Smile and nod publicly, while quietly planning how to not give the pushy person what they want???
Very much like traditional US Southerners, and Southern Germans - very polite in public, religious, conventional and traditional, considered a little provincial (simple and backward) by their northern "city-folk" brethren ?
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(This post was edited by YucaLandia on Aug 27, 2012, 9:26 AM)