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michoacan

Jul 30, 2012, 9:56 AM

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Are there older threads here that discuss them? How prevalent they are? Areas of Mexico where they aren't too common? Where the best ones are? Comments? Thank you.

YucaLandia


Jul 30, 2012, 10:56 AM

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Segundas = Doble sentidos ?
See the "Learning Spanish" forum.
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stevebrtx

Jul 30, 2012, 3:08 PM

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Thanks Steve, I thought I was the only one not sure what that was asking.
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chicois8

Jul 30, 2012, 3:16 PM

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I just drove Baja down and back and many towns along the highway had many in a row and both sides of the road, some 12 to 15 stores in a row...
Viscieno and San Quintin come to mind......................

michoacan

Jul 30, 2012, 4:37 PM

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Re: [chicois8] Segundas?

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Thanks Chicois8,

I'm too busy studying Spanish to explain my question...

Sería un gran problema tener que pedir lo que se entiende por la palabra segunda.

mazbook1


Jul 30, 2012, 6:20 PM

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Re: [michoacan] Segundas?

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And that answer, sir, is a complete cop-out! A forum is for give and take, not for take only.

YucaLandia


Jul 30, 2012, 7:05 PM

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Segundas can be: Women who get second place in a competition, or they can be plays on words that have double meanings - like all the slightly raunchy Yucatecan bombas = "sentido dobles" is more formal, (think Shakespeare's not-so-hidden sexual references), or they are ... ???

Maybe this is some local slang ???

Maybe La Isla or Chicois or some of the other experts can fill in the ________.
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(This post was edited by YucaLandia on Jul 30, 2012, 7:06 PM)

chicois8

Jul 30, 2012, 7:08 PM

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And that answer, sir, is a complete cop-out! A forum is for give and
take, not for take only.



I believe the someone is not a happy camper, one would think with all the years living in Mexico he would be fluent in Spanish by now. Maybe he will get the medical care he needs, stretch his Social Security and become a happy camper
one day...maybe in Ensenada or TJ...LOL


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Bennie García

Jul 30, 2012, 7:35 PM

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I believe he is referring to the second hand clothing (ropa de segunda mano o simplemente ropa de segunda) stands that may be either a stand alone or within a tianguis. But I have never heard them called segundas. In my area they are called "la segunda".

Sometimes they are jokingly referred to in Guadalajara as "Zaragunda" as a play on the popular clothing retailer..

"Ay, comadre, donde compraste esa blusa tan bonita?"

Laughingly:

"en Zaragunda"

If that wasn't what he was asking about then I have no clue.

mazbook1


Jul 30, 2012, 7:43 PM

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Unfortunately, being relatively fluent in Mexican Spanish often does not equal knowing the local slang of anywhere except where one lives. Here in Mazatlán, those are called "Bazars".

A couple of days ago, at the local neighborhood grocery store, I bought a gusano. Who knows what I bought?

chicois8

Jul 30, 2012, 8:03 PM

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Unfortunately, being relatively fluent in Mexican Spanish often does not equal knowing the local slang of anywhere except where one lives. Here in Mazatlán, those are called "Bazars".

A couple of days ago, at the local neighborhood grocery store, I bought a gusano. Who knows what I bought?

Where I live in Dolores Hidigo, Bazars are where things like old spurs, mesquite doors and windows and just old rusty stuff to decorate a ranch or old adobe house are sold...

Bennie García

Jul 30, 2012, 8:25 PM

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Pretty much the same here in Jalisco.

mazbook1


Jul 30, 2012, 9:29 PM

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Well, since we don't have any colonial heritage here in Mazatlán, we're Mexican, so we don't need bazars that sell pretentious old stuff to decorate our homes, but many of us need used stuff, clothing, bedding and other used stuff for a decent life, so our bazars furnish that sort of stuff.

morgaine7


Jul 30, 2012, 9:32 PM

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I believe he is referring to the second hand clothing (ropa de segunda mano o simplemente ropa de segunda) stands that may be either a stand alone or within a tianguis. But I have never heard them called segundas. In my area they are called "la segunda".
It's also "la segunda" here in La Paz, though there are several. As mentioned, some are warehouse-like with everything under one roof, and others are smaller spaces within a larger area. They're not just for clothing, though. You can find everything from tools to furniture to kids' toys to medical equipment, pretty much whatever arrives on the truck. Some items are overpriced (especially clothing, IMO), but there are also some real bargains.

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michoacan

Jul 31, 2012, 7:30 AM

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Hello, when someone does not ask "What do you mean?" and instead invites me to go study español I do just that. Sorry if that offended some of you. Others may think it is very cute to cast out tidbits such as "medical" and "social security". And "happier living somewhere".

My best course is to not ask questions. My home is in a small pueblito for a reason. My reason for choosing this can be found in some of the replies above. Good luck to you all. Adios.

YucaLandia


Jul 31, 2012, 8:05 AM

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Unfortunately, being relatively fluent in Mexican Spanish often does not equal knowing the local slang of anywhere except where one lives. Here in Mazatlán, those are called "Bazars".

A couple of days ago, at the local neighborhood grocery store, I bought a gusano. Who knows what I bought?

Where I live in Dolores Hidigo, Bazars are where things like old spurs, mesquite doors and windows and just old rusty stuff to decorate a ranch or old adobe house are sold...

Hilarious.
We have an old substantial Libanese community here in Merida, so, Bazars are fairly common, generally selling second hand hard-goods like furniture, doors,furnishings, etc. Old clothes here are sold at perpetual "Ventas de Garage". Our Libanese community has 4,000 years of experience in the bazar, so, as astute business people, (generally affluent), they neither buy nor trade in old clothing here.

When the question was first posed, I asked a University prof/editor (who know and writes Spanish very well) and asked a University auto mechanics maestro what segundas were, and they gave the answers listed above. Maybe this is a western Mexico thing? If OP michoacan was looking for local used clothing stores, maybe it would be better posted in his regional forum?

Yucatecans are generally so short, that typical expats could not fit into local used clothing, unless you are the height of an Hércules Maya .
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esperanza

Jul 31, 2012, 9:25 AM

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Back in the early 90s, I was marginally involved in the Baja California/Southern California world of segundas, which was then used (and continues to be used) ONLY to describe second-hand goods stores. It is a huge international business in that part of the world. I was quite good friends with a man known only as El Vaquero, who ran and for all I know still runs segundas all up and down the Baja, from Tijuana to La Paz.

Every week, El Vaquero sent a two or three huge trucks from La Paz to San Diego, where he and his employees bought second-hand merchandise from a variety of local sources. The men usually spent a couple of days accumulating what they needed to fill the fleet of trucks and then drove back down to La Paz, stopping at El Vaquero's string of segundas to drop off the merchandise needed in that specific location. The merchandise ranged from bed linens to power tools and everything in between.

ETA: what a hoot, here's a Youtube video about his stores: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkzWqI4dqa0. Looks like he's still at it!

Some of you may not know that in various places along the border of the USA with Mexico--on the USA side--there are huge warehouses where used or new clothing is sold wholesale, in bales. The used clothing is sometimes from a Goodwill or Salvation Army (or other) store, where it has remained in stock but has never sold. The new clothing is usually unsold store stock from retail stores such as Marshall's, TJMaxx, and other low-price outlets. It's possible to choose the kind of clothing the buyer wants as his or her sales specialty: boys, girls, women, men, plus sizes, high-end fashions, etc, or it's possible to buy bales of mixed clothing. Most of the used clothing sold in Mexico comes from those warehouses. If you are driving through McAllen, Laredo, or some of the other large border towns, watch along the highway for the enormous warehouses.




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tashby


Jul 31, 2012, 9:36 AM

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I knew someone in Morelia who had a used clothing store and that's exactly how they stocked it. Trips to a warehouse in Texas where he'd buy in bulk, by the "bale" or whatever, not knowing exactly what he was getting until sorting through it back in Morelia.

sparks


Jul 31, 2012, 3:52 PM

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On another board he was asking where to find a good second hand licuadora in Colima. Good second hand mechanical things is not a meaningful question. There are more and more pawn shops here where you can test and inspect them

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carlw

Jul 31, 2012, 7:50 PM

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Those huge bales of clothing are also shipped to Africa, where they are trucked to towns and villages all over the continent and purchased unopened by dealers. They break down the bales, hoping they are crammed full of sports team jerseys and rock t-shirts they can sell for a good price. But usually not. All this is done not in stores but out in the open air markets. Today, not good enough for an American teen, just trash. Tomorrow, a treasure and object of pride for an African teen who just spent a week's wages for it.

esperanza

Jul 31, 2012, 9:36 PM

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Carl, thanks for posting about this. I love the story.

I would say that in Mexico, a majority of the clothing sold in bales is also resold at open-air markets. In fact, I have personally shopped at two: Tianguis del Sol in Guadalajara and an all-clothing tianguis in Morelia. I've found some wonderful clothing (and shoes) at both, at very good prices. For example, I found a pair of brand-new my-size Birkenstocks with original tags, for 80 pesos. Zappos price: $120 USD




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Bennie García

Aug 1, 2012, 5:46 AM

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A lot of new clothing is sold at tianguis such as the Tianguis del Sol. Brand new designer clothing can be had for 10 to 20 per cent of its retail price in the US.

And where else can you find fancy clothing and great fresh produce and other food products along with replacement parts for your blender all in the same place?

esperanza

Aug 1, 2012, 9:28 AM

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When I lived in Guadalajara, the Friday Tianguis del Sol was always at the top of my list of Friday errands. Friday is the day the vendors open their newly arrived clothing bales. Clothing shopping on Fridays is a zoo, with the vendors shouting, "Bara bara bara, véngase a comprar," and all of us buyers clustered three-deep around the booth as the vendors toss each fresh-out-of-the-bale item of clothing to eagerly waiting hands. "A mi, a mi, échamelo a mi!" shout the eager buyers. Whatever the person who grabs an item first rejects is immediately snatched up by the next interested person. It is so much fun, and the rewards can be terrific.

As far as clothing goes, I have purchased everything from shoes to underwear there--including some gorgeous top-of-the-line bras for 50 pesos each, beautiful high-end name brand sweaters, and 100% linen blouses.

In addition, I always purchased produce, meat, cheeses, fish, beans, and just about everything else I cooked at Tianguis del Sol. Mole pastes, green chorizo from Toluca, jackfruit, and anything else you can mention is available in season. As Bennie García mentioned, all blender parts are there--whether I needed a new gasket or a new blender jar, I just took the old one with me and easily found the new one I needed.

And a stop at Doña Rosario's prepared seafood stand was obligatory. Her coctel de camarón is beyond compare. Read here: http://mexicocooks.typepad.com/...toguadalajarans.html

Can you tell that out of everything there is to see and do in Guadalajara, I miss the Tianguis del Sol the most?




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Bandol

Aug 1, 2012, 7:55 PM

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Esperanza and Bennie,

Can you, or anyone, confirm the day for the Tianguis del Sol in Guadalajara? I've read Wednesday in some places and Friday in others. Or maybe both? Thanks for your help.

Bennie García

Aug 1, 2012, 8:16 PM

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Wednesday, Friday and Sunday.
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