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Jun 10, 2012, 10:38 AM

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I ran across this - Northern Spain, an ancient old hymn - "The King of Galicia", performed on bagpipes at least as ancient and definitely related to the Scots, by men in tall, pointy white hats. In the 15-1600's the Galicians made up a large number of the Spanish Conquistadors who took over the Los Altos area of Jalisco, where you still see strong Galician bloodlines (green/blue eyes, blond hair, etc.). This is largely a maternal bloodline, because the menfolk easily found work away in the U.S.A. and Guadalajara, this is still a tradition today.

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cbviajero

Jun 10, 2012, 1:38 PM

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A gallego goes into a bar in Guadalajara with a parrot on his shoulder,the bartender asks,,can this animal speak,the parrot replies"sabe?"
Lot's of good gallego jokes out there,the mexican equivalent of polish jokes.

richmx2

Jun 10, 2012, 5:28 PM

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The variant I heard is more visual... the guy asks why do you go around with that dumb animal, and the parrot shrugs... a gesture said to be typically gallego.

Ironic, considering Banco Santander and a lot of other major Spanish corporations are Galician institutions.

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La Isla

Jun 10, 2012, 7:18 PM

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Though a lot of the Spanish migration to Mexico was from Galicia, nowadays "gallego" is just short for Spaniard, in a non-complimentary way, of course. Just as in Spain where all the migrants from Asia are commonly referred to as "chinos", even if they're from Korea or Japan.

I´m surprised to learn that Banco Santander is "gallego", since the city of Santander is in the País Vasco.

richmx2

Jun 11, 2012, 12:50 AM

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OOPS! Santander is in Cantabria, west of the Pais Vasco, but wouldn't be surprised to find Basques running the banks — they seem to have been in the banking business for the last 1000 years or so. .. my mistake, I was thinking Sntander was a little further west, in Asturias, which WAS part of Galicia at one time (and, then again, Galicia and Cantabria were both part of Asturias once, too... those reigns in Spain fell mainly from my brain). Can't I get half credit? :-)

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Sculptari

Jun 11, 2012, 6:38 AM

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Has there been any Mexican Spanish popular fiction linked to the Celtic (and even Visigoth!) roots of Galicia in the 'new world'? I don't mean the 'magic realism' type works, but fantasy, often in series, that are so popular now in English language? Having lived in the Shetland Isles and the deep, dark corners of mid-Wales, these are a mysterious people with so many stories and legends they do not care to explain. I guess the cultural problem would be that a lot of the action would involve fighting the Chichimecs - fantastic archers and also the first force in North America to utilize mounted horses in their battles and raids. I don't quite know which side a Mexican reader would pick.

YucaLandia

Jun 11, 2012, 6:51 AM

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Audags maurgins!
Goths in Guadalajara and Los Altos de Jalisco? Goths get around...
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don pedro

Jun 11, 2012, 7:52 AM

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Audags maurgins!
Goths in Guadalajara and Los Altos de Jalisco? Goths get around...

here's a goth right here on the chapala malecon.
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Sculptari

Jun 11, 2012, 8:21 AM

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The Galicians had invaded Ireland at some ancient time

“Connecting Celtic and Mexican music is something I’ve done with the Paperboys since our album The Road to Ellenside,” Landa continues. “The two traditions share a lot of things. Like the rhythms—for instance huapangos are in 3/4 time and blend really beautifully with Irish jigs. In both cultures music was for entertainment and also for set-dancing, in similar ways. In the son jarocho music of the Caribbean coast they have fandangos, which are like Irish ceilidhs [song-and-dance gatherings] and they’ll perform on a plank as Irish dancers would. The Irish steps may be more intricate and complex but the idea of a hard shoe striking wood and providing percussion is essentially the same. Melodically, Celtic and Mexican songs create a similar feeling. The songs can be sad and somber, though they’re mostly joyous and infectious. And what I particularly love is that they share a similarly vast emotional range.”

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Sculptari

Jun 11, 2012, 10:50 AM

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The Chieftains explored this Ireland/Galicia link in a 1996 album called "Santiago". On youtube there is a documentary with Paddy Malone touring this album in Galicia. Here is a beautiful version of La Virgen de Guadalupe, performed by Linda Ronstadt and the Chieftains. You can see how the celtic and old Spanish mix quite well.

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richmx2

Jun 11, 2012, 1:03 PM

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As to the prevalence of blue-eyes in Los Altos, that's been noted for centuries... I found some reference (that I never found again, sorry) that it was noticed by Aztecs, pre-conquest, so it may just be a genetic variable that's always been there. But Iberia is an extremely multi-cultural region, and it's as mix-n-match as Mexico... just a lot more Europeans, who never got along all that well with each other.

You need to remember that "Spain" as a political entity has only existed since 1492 with the conquest of Granada... and even then, Aragon, Castille (ruled by Visagoths since about 600 C.E.), Asturias, Navarre, etc. still had their own customs, rulers, languages for many years. Attempts to create a "Spanish" cultural hegemony only really started in the 19th century (after Latin American independence) and led to civil wars. Much of the resistance to Franco was from cultural minorities (like the Basques and Catalonians), one reason post-Francoist Spain has those regional governments.

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YucaLandia

Jun 11, 2012, 1:31 PM

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Spainiards often describe their feelings of national identity, unity, unanimity, and solidarity with the following:
"What do you have when 2 Spaniards get together? An argument."
"What do you have when 3 Spaniards get together? A Civil War."
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Jun 29, 2012, 5:02 AM

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The variant I heard is more visual... the guy asks why do you go around with that dumb animal, and the parrot shrugs... a gesture said to be typically gallego.

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