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YucaLandia


May 9, 2012, 7:21 AM

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SRE's website reports the requirements for qualifying for Inmigrado status. This section answers the question of when to apply:
" 3. Exhibir original y dos fotocopias de todas las páginas del documento migratorio vigente con la calidad de inmigrante o inmigrado, expedido por la Secretaría de Gobernación, con el que el interesado acredite su legal estancia (Art. 14 RLN), en consecuencia, la residencia en el país durante cinco años inmediatos anteriores a la fecha de la solicitud, el cual deberá tener una vigencia mínima de seis meses, posteriores a la presentación de la solicitud, del que se desprenda la Clave Única de Registro de Población (CURP); "

Carta de naturalización por residencia: http://www.sre.gob.mx/...acion-por-residencia ( bolded section highlighted to aid Mexconnect readers)

Crude Google translation:
" 3. Display original and two photocopies of all pages of the current immigration document with the quality of immigrant or immigrant, issued by the Interior Ministry, with which the applicant attesting their legal status (Art. 14 RLN), hence the residence the country for five years immediately preceding the date of the application, which must have a minimum validity of six months after the filing, which discards the Unique Key Population Registration (CURP); "


So, expats do not qualify for Inmigrado status until they have completed 5 years of Inmigrante (FM2), but they must apply for Inmigrado status at least 6 months before their FM2 expires ~ which means you apply Inmigrado status during the first 6 months of Year 4 of your FM2. Further details and information on FMMs, FM2s, FM3s, and Inmigrado status can be found at http://yucalandia.wordpress.com/...xico-fmm-fm2-or-fm3/
Clear as mud?
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(This post was edited by YucaLandia on May 9, 2012, 7:33 AM)


joaquinx


May 9, 2012, 8:39 AM

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I just converted my FM3 to a FM2 and you might want to update some of your references in you web site to reflect changes.
1. The fee was 3,889 pesos. 750 for the Inscripcion al Registro Nacional de Extranjeros. 3,139 pesos for the Exp FM2 Asimilado
2. It seems that the income requirement is flexible as mine was under 23,000 pesos. Exchange rates push it over and then fall under.
3. They didn't even look at my CFE bill to verify my address, but I've been living at the same place for ten years. This might vary with each office. Who knows.
4. My current status is Inmigrante Asimilado (I'd really like to know just wat Asimilado means)
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Rolly


May 9, 2012, 8:57 AM

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Re: [joaquinx] Immigration Changes May 2012

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Asimilado = assimilated. Like the Borg do?

Rolly Pirate


joaquinx


May 9, 2012, 9:04 AM

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Asimilado = assimilated. Like the Borg do?


That was my initial concern as I have no wish to be a Borg. From what I understand from the paper given me after receiving the FM2, is that I can work if I notify them.
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YucaLandia


May 9, 2012, 9:17 AM

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Re: [joaquinx] Immigration Changes May 2012

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Good Info !

I've updated the page to reflect the current realities.
Thanks!
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John Shrall

May 9, 2012, 10:57 AM

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So, expats do not qualify for Inmigrado status until they have completed 5 years of Inmigrante (FM2), but they must apply for Inmigrado status at least 6 months before their FM2 expires ~ which means you apply Inmigrado status during the first 6 months of Year 4 of your FM2. Further details and information on FMMs, FM2s, FM3s, and Inmigrado status can be found at http://yucalandia.wordpress.com/...xico-fmm-fm2-or-fm3/
Clear as mud?
steve
I think mud might be clearer but thanks for the information. Since my 5 year Inmigrante period is under 6 months from completion I'll take a trip to INM with cards and copies in hand and ask what the current rules are for application to Inmigrado.



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Judy Parker

May 9, 2012, 11:18 AM

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I know each INM office is different but my husband just received his "inmigrado" and he had to wait until his former "FM2" expired. He went to INM before the FM2 expired to inquire about when he should apply and they told him he had to wait until it was expired not a day sooner. BTW, it took only a month for the new inmigrado card to be ready.


esperanza

May 9, 2012, 7:40 PM

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SRE's website reports the requirements for qualifying for Inmigrado status. This section answers the question of when to apply:
" 3. Exhibir original y dos fotocopias de todas las páginas del documento migratorio vigente con la calidad de inmigrante o inmigrado, expedido por la Secretaría de Gobernación, con el que el interesado acredite su legal estancia (Art. 14 RLN), en consecuencia, la residencia en el país durante cinco años inmediatos anteriores a la fecha de la solicitud, el cual deberá tener una vigencia mínima de seis meses, posteriores a la presentación de la solicitud, del que se desprenda la Clave Única de Registro de Población (CURP); "

Carta de naturalización por residencia: http://www.sre.gob.mx/...acion-por-residencia ( bolded section highlighted to aid Mexconnect readers)

Crude Google translation:
" 3. Display original and two photocopies of all pages of the current immigration document with the quality of immigrant or immigrant, issued by the Interior Ministry, with which the applicant attesting their legal status (Art. 14 RLN), hence the residence the country for five years immediately preceding the date of the application, which must have a minimum validity of six months after the filing, which discards the Unique Key Population Registration (CURP); "


So, expats do not qualify for Inmigrado status until they have completed 5 years of Inmigrante (FM2), but they must apply for Inmigrado status at least 6 months before their FM2 expires ~ which means you apply Inmigrado status during the first 6 months of Year 4 of your FM2. Further details and information on FMMs, FM2s, FM3s, and Inmigrado status can be found at http://yucalandia.wordpress.com/...xico-fmm-fm2-or-fm3/
Clear as mud?
steve

But...it looks to me like this is all about applying for citizenship. It's about naturalización por residencia--citizenship by virtue of having lived in Mexico long enough to qualify. What does it have to do with becoming an inmigrado?




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YucaLandia


May 10, 2012, 6:01 AM

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You are exactly correct about that SRE page. INM directed me there to get SRE's official description / language of how the eligibility for receiving either Inmigrado status or Naturalization occurs after 5 years of official residency, but that the applicant should make their application for Inmigrado status while they still have 6 months remaining in the 4'th year of their FM2.

They said SRE does not have a specific web-page on this for Inmigrado status, (yet?), but that the Naturalization page describes the same specific requirements for when to file. With the hit-or-miss coverage of internet descriptions of Mex. Gob. laws and rules, this was the best official online description of SRE's policy on when to apply vs. when one becomes eligible.

Same clause, different header,
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Casa

May 10, 2012, 10:21 AM

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SRE does not have a page on INMIGRADO because it is an INM matter and NOT a SRE matter.
One can find the INM information for Inmigrado here
http://www.inm.gob.mx/...ratoriaInmigrado.pdf

In addition the INM Manual from 2010 states :

Formato migratorio para trámites de estancia, dentro de los 6 meses
siguientes a la fecha en que venza el cuarto refrendo de su calidad de
Inmigrante.

Which to me means "within 6 months following the expiration of the 4th renewal of the inmigrante (old FM2). The expiration of the 4 renewal means after 5 years of residence and not the six months remaining before the expiration (4.5 YEARS) as you mentioned in your post.

I think perhaps you are confusing that in order to do the Naturalization Tramite with SRE one must have at least 6 months remaining on the validity of their inmigrante (old FM2) immigration document


(This post was edited by Casa on May 10, 2012, 10:51 AM)


mazbook1


May 10, 2012, 2:20 PM

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I think that you are correct, Casa. And you're absolutely correct in saying, "SRE does not have a page on INMIGRADO because it is an INM matter and NOT a SRE matter. One can find the INM information for Inmigrado here
http://www.inm.gob.mx/...ratoriaInmigrado.pdf "

The three government agencies in México that we gringos deal with the most are INM, Aduana and SRE. They each jealously guard their own rules, regulations and information. To try to find out about any subject, and it can be a frustrating experience if you don't know EXACTLY which agency you need to approach. When you approach the wrong one for information, you're nearly as likely to get incorrect information as if you approached someone in the street!!!!!


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YucaLandia


May 10, 2012, 6:42 PM

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Excellent citation! The:
"...siguiente a la fecha en que venza..."

says it all. "Following the expiration date.

My apologies: I have had a cold the past 4 days, adn I can barely type a sentence without making a mistake. bleah
I really have been convolving the Inmigrado rules with the naturalization rules this week.
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esperanza

May 11, 2012, 6:15 AM

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Thank you, Casa. I wasn't here yesterday to post exactly what you have posted, but that's why I asked YucaLandia the question in the first place. Inmigrado is an INM tramite.




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YucaLandia


May 11, 2012, 8:23 AM

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For people who like to read the official versions of INM rules, you can find Casa's useful reference in Section 8.2 of the DOF webpage on the current INM Manual:
Manual de Criterios y Trámites Migratorios del Instituto Nacional de Migración (Enero 29, 2010)

http://www.dof.gob.mx/...amp;fecha=29/01/2010


Thanks again for hunting down the correct information,
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Casa

May 16, 2012, 4:02 PM

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I am glad everyone found this helpful


Linda in Morelia

Jun 4, 2012, 11:39 AM

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Harriett's article mentions that the new law "requires minors traveling alone or without both parents to carry a notarized letter authorizing their entry/exit
from Mexico."

We have two nieces (aged 17) coming to visit us in Mexico in June. I wanted to read the reference in the law to this requirement, but I couldn't find it. Can anyone direct me to the specific article/section?

I assume that until the Regulations are issued this requirement will not go into effect. If they issue the Regulations soon, I wonder if there will be any advance notice that they are going to do it. I suppose the safest approach would be to ask the parents to sign and notarize the authorization letter. Anyone have any thoughts on this?

Thank you.


tonyburton / Moderator


Jun 4, 2012, 12:03 PM

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This particular regulation has been in effect for many years.
And, yes, it is definitely wise to get notarized permission from both parents,
Tony


YucaLandia


Jun 4, 2012, 12:05 PM

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Linda,
Our research at Yucalandia found that it's not just the "new INM law". Both the US Customs and Border Patrol (CBP) and the Canadian government advise bringing a notarized letter from the parent who is not traveling with the children. The letter should certify that the children have their parent(s) permission to travel with the other parent.
https://help.cbp.gov/...w/parental%20consent. CBP advises:
“… There is not a CBP Form letter, however, the parental consent letter should include: Who, What, Where, When, Why, and contact information for the absent parent(s).
Having the letter notarized is not necessary but highly recommended. For frequent border crossers, the letter should not exceed one year. It is recommended to have the letter in English. …” https://help.cbp.gov/...ntal%20consent/sno/1

The Canadian Govt advises that parents taking children to Mexico:
“…travelers visiting Mexico with children should carry:
a valid passport for each child as required above;
if a child is travelling with only one parent, a notarized authorization signed by the other parent;
if a child is travelling with a person other than a parent, a notarized authorization signed by both parents stating the name of the adult travel companion;
The child’s long-form birth certificate if the name of only one parent appears on it.
…”

Seems straightforward, and has nothing to do with the upcoming changes mandated by the "new law",
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Bennie García

Jun 4, 2012, 1:55 PM

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This particular regulation has been in effect for many years.
And, yes, it is definitely wise to get notarized permission from both parents,
Tony


Not only traveling alone but also when traveling with just one parent requires a notarized letter from the other parent. As Tony says, it has been that way for years and not a new reg under the new law.


Vichil

Jun 5, 2012, 1:11 AM

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Weare traveling in Fance with a Mexican child and the French consulate had a form for us in Spanish and French to authorize the child to leave Mexico, on itwe also had to fill a section authorizing a person to take the cild to a hospital in case of an emergency and allowing that person to make decisions with the doctors regarding the treatment. France does not require visa for children but we had to have medical insurrance for the child as well and of course authorization from both parents, not bad things tohave even if not required.


elisseB

Jun 11, 2012, 6:54 PM

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Retiring abroad appears attractive, as many nations are amazing places that are cheaper to live in than the United States However, there are a lot of things one has to consider before pulling the trigger. One can always retire abroad for much less, but one has to do their homework first. There are some expenses and charges abroad. Taxes are due to the country one lives in and the U.S. Some countries have a double-taxation treaty, where they agree to give Americans a break, but not all do and the terms vary, so one has to thoroughly check out the legal ramifications.


RickS


Jun 11, 2012, 6:58 PM

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"Taxes are due to the country one lives in and the U.S."

With respect to Mexico, you might want to check out that statement.


YucaLandia


Jun 14, 2012, 5:47 PM

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Since Mexconnect is a forum about Mexico and for people in Mexico or planning to come to Mexico, then the Mexico-US tax treaties would seem to be a good thing to focus on when talking about taxes here.

Fortunately, the guiding principle is simple: No double taxation for US citizens in Mexico and vice versa. Personal income taxes paid in the US are credited 100% by the Mexican Government and vice versa.
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