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Yacatecuhtli

May 24, 2012, 1:21 PM

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Mexican Army and Marines continue to violate human rights

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"El último informe anual del Departamento de Estado reitera su preocupación por los casos de desapariciones, ejecuciones extrajudiciales y tortura cometidos por las fuerzas armadas mexicanas

En medio de la escalada de violencia que se vive en México el Ejército mexicano y la Marina se han convertido en protagonistas recurrentes de continuos casos de desapariciones y violaciones de derechos humanos, según el último informe anual del Departamento de Estado. "La ausencia de un protocolo claro y reglas para la confrontación" se han convertido en el denominador común en los casos de violaciones a los derechos humanos que señalan a las fuerzas armadas mexicanas. Por tercer año consecutivo, el informe del Departamento de Estado reitera la preocupación por los casos de desapariciones, ejecuciones extrajudiciales y tortura."
From The Universal, crude translation by google

The latest annual report of the State Department reiterated its concern about cases of disappearances, extrajudicial executions and torture by the Mexican armed forces

Amid the escalating violence that exists in Mexico the Mexican Army and Navy have become recurring characters continuing cases of disappearances and human rights violations, according to the latest annual report of the Department of State. "The absence of a clear protocol and rules for confrontation" have become the common denominator in cases of human rights violations that point to the Mexican military. For the third consecutive year, the State Department report reiterates the concern about cases of disappearances, extrajudicial executions and torture.

http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/notas/849345.html

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happyjack

May 24, 2012, 4:10 PM

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your rantings violate my human rights.

Altahabana

May 24, 2012, 4:17 PM

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I can only speak aboutTamaulipas, but the military presence is just part of the reality that comes with living here. We frequently hear stories of abuse, excessive force and even "extrajudicial executions," but I can't imagine what it would be like to live here without the military. And aside from the bad guys I suspect everyone wants them here.

Since local and regional law enforcement in the north has been at best inefficient and at worst inherently corrupt, what are the options? Better training and more defined engagement protocols are needed, but considering the alternatives, I'll opt for the soldiers and marines.

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richmx2

May 24, 2012, 6:41 PM

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While I don't think the U.S. State Department has any business "dictating" to other nations about anything (especially Human Rights, considering the U.S. has more prisoners per capita than any other country, and legalizes torture and the assassination of anyone they consider a "terrorist"), I do appreciate your bringing attention to this. Like Altahabana, I think the military presence along the U.S. border is unfortunately necessary for right now (even if it raises serious constitutional issues... the Mexican constitution, the only one worth considering when talking about Mexican legal issues), which doesn't mean that the Army shouldn't be held to higher standards of conduct, and that there are not alternatives to using violence and repression to resolving this issue.

If one feels their "human rights" are somehow violated by having to read this, I recommend they file a complaint at www.whocares.com

http://mexfiles.net
http://mexicobookpublishers.com

chinagringo

May 24, 2012, 7:51 PM

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It is up to the Mexican people to evaluate whether or not their human rights are being violated and the US has no business sticking their noses into this issue! Interesting article from MILENIO indicates that there is a good deal of support for maintaining or increasing the Drug War:

http://translate.google.com/...d8826dc6&act=url
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Neil
Albuquerque, NM

sfmacaws

May 24, 2012, 9:06 PM

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Does it say somewhere that it is the US dept of state they are referring to? Because the part that is quoted sounds like it is a report from the Mexican dept of state.

As for the military, I agree that they are necessary now. These abuses are probably happening although I would not assume that all reports are factual. I have read, and I believe, that it is one of the tactics of the cartels to sponsor complaints and demonstrations against the military. Certainly their abuses are paltry compared to the brutality of the cartels. While I live in an area of comparative safety, I am grateful for the efforts of the military and everything I've seen here has been positive.

Jonna - Mérida, Yucatán

richmx2

May 25, 2012, 1:23 AM

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Um, there is a Secretaría de Relaciónes Exteriores, that is always abbreviated SRE in Mexican newspapers. Nothing called the "State Department" or anything like that in this country. And Mexico doesn't put out human rights "scorecards" on other countries.

Chinagringo and I not in disagreement that the Mexican issue is something that has to be decided by Mexicans, and that the "drug war" has a large amount of support. But I add that there is legitimate dissent and the dissenters should be listened to.

http://mexfiles.net
http://mexicobookpublishers.com

Altahabana

May 25, 2012, 5:59 AM

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As for the military, I agree that they are necessary now. . . . Certainly their abuses are paltry compared to the brutality of the cartels. . . . . I am grateful for the efforts of the military . . .

That is the overwhelming sentiment of residents of the area where I live. In fact the reports of absuse, excessive force and extrajudicial executions I mentioned are usually told in the form of admiring anecdotes like the "Rescue of Los Ninos" story in another thread, e.g. the Halcones in the Helicopter which was circulating last year.

The State Department reports are not produced on some bureaucratic whim for the purpose of lecturing or admonishing less enlightened countries. The Foreign Assistance Act of 1961 requires the Department to report annually to Congress on the status of internationally recognized [and defined] human rights in countries that receive foreign aid or assistance from the US. Read for yourself the report the article is discussing.

Country Reports on Human Rights Practices for 2011

http://www.state.gov/...ad_id=186528#wrapper

Mexico

http://www.state.gov/...ad_id=186528#wrapper

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michoacan

May 25, 2012, 10:42 AM

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The lads I talk with seem to feel mighty alone with regard to hanging their rear out to keep the bad guys at bay. I try my feeble best to try and cheer them up by saying most people say nothing to them but el chisme always admires how well the military is doing and how sad people are when soldiers die in balaceros with the cartels. They always seem to gain a little smile, some want to shake my hand. I try my best to walk in the other person's shoes to keep me humble and connected with reality. When soldiers lose a buddy, they are only human. I wouldn't blame them for emptying a clip or two into a wounded sicario. But, that's my opinion, nothing more nothing less.

stevebrtx

May 26, 2012, 8:49 AM

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And then there is this http://www.krgv.com/...e-military-uniforms/ so who knows?