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johninajijic

May 19, 2012, 4:54 PM

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SUMMARY OF TOWN HALL SAFETY MEETING AT AJIJIC PLAZA

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This was sent to me by one of our newest Homeowner's at Los Arroyos Sur.
Take note of the Cell phone numbers for your area. Post it in a prominent place.


Summary of our Town Hall Safety Meeting at the Ajijic Plaza.
According to the 'head counters' there were approximately 1000 in attendance, with about 75% being Mexican. The meeting was opened by Linda Fossi, member of CSI, with translation provided by Vivianne Michel, also of CSI. Captain Contreras, Chief of Police for the Chapala Municipality, was present and handled the bulk of the meeting explaining he was there to validate information, dispel rumors, and answer questions from the crowd.

Captain Contreras confirmed the information about 18 bodies being found near Ixtlahuacan, none of which were connected to drug trafficking. Further, he confirmed another 5 bodies/heads/body parts, many frozen, were found at a home in Riberas del Pilar. The only possible nexus to drugs was that the aunt or uncle of one of the bodies found had rented out the home in Riberas where these latest bodies were found.

He also confirmed that a foreigner had been abducted while walking his dogs; one dog was killed and the man and another woman being held, were Released after being held overnight. This man and his family have since gone into hiding and will be leaving the area.

The third incident he addressed consisted of a foreign couple abducted from Chapala Haciendas along with three Mexicans; when brought to a hostage-holding house, the person in charge released the couple stating "we don't want anything to do with foreigners."

He confirmed that two safe houses were raided in San Nicolas (on the way to Vista del Lago) where they have custody 3 people and secured a cache of large arms, hand guns, explosives, fake police garb and various other items used by police forces. These people are being held and questioned regarding the latestincidents.

There was also a raid in a gated community of Rancho del Oro, (several days ago now, and the Captain confirmed that, while there were no suspects present, another cache of weapons, bullet-proof vests and grenades, etc., were seized there.

The Captain also said on the Monday meeting (attended by CSI and some others), that there were NO signs, or flyers or banners that stated the Narcos will going to kidnap and kill Mexican citizens. Those were rumors.

Numerous questions were asked by the audience, many by the Mexicans present. However, their questions were more police bashing than actual questions and from time to time the crowd yelled "we want answers!" And "bring in the military!, you're over your head!", etc. To the Captain's credit, he maintained his composure and reaffirmed the reason for being at the meeting: to provide answers and to seek the everyone's support in finding and convicting the criminals.

I'm summarizing below what the Captain requested of the crowd:
Call the Anonymous Tip Hotline (01-800-839-1416), (since the meeting, SIX TIPS HAVE BEEN CALLED IN, so the message worked). The police department in Chapala (765-4444 of 066), or the cell numbers written on magnets distributed at the end of the meeting. These cell phones have been issued to the police department by CSI CHAPALA as part of their Mission Statement and Vision to offer programs for the safety our community. Each of these cell phones will be issued to the officer-on-duty, on each shift, for each of 10 districts that make up the Ribera in "Chapala Municipality": 3 cell phones covering Ajijic. Ajijic (from La Floresta to Las Salvia, upper and lower): 331-149-3980: West Ajijic (from Villa Nova to the start of Jocotepec Municipality): 333-722-5566: Riberas, (from San Antonio (this would include along the Libramiento to the bounders of the Chapala Municipality): 333-722-3720:

There are also 3 cell phones covering Chapala:
Chapala Centro (all of Main Street to the Lake to La Cristina Park): 333-722-6099:
Chapala Guadalupe District (along and up the Mt Side up to the Bus Station): 333-722-3486: Chapala San Miguel District (along and up the Mt Side from the Bus Station to the start of Chapala Haciendas/Brisas): 333-722-3461.

The other four districts are: Chapala Haciendas/Brisas de Chapala: 331-767-4210. San Nicholas/Santa Cruz: 331-789-5033. Vista del Lago, 331-438-6231. And Atotonilquillo: 331-465-0768.

These phones are "receive only" cell phones and are manned 24/7 by the police officer assigned to each district. By contacting the number for your district either when you observe something suspicious RIGHT THAT MINUTE, or find yourself in danger, CALL YOUR OFFICE-ON-DUTIES CELL PHONE.

The turnaround time will be much faster, since the officer is located within your district
and can promptly respond. Remember, speak in Spanish:

Ayudame, Ayudame. Mi nombre es ______________, mi dirección es __________
en Ajijic or Villa Nova or wherever; mi teléfono es ______________.
Por favor ayuda me ahorita mismo. (Help me, help me. My name is _________.
My address is ________en (this area). My phone number is ___________. Please help me right now.)

For SECRET TIPS, not your local emergencies, call the CSI Chapala ANONYMOUS HOTLINE NUMBER: 01-800-839-1416.

The Captain, answering other questions on the Monday gathering at the La Floresta Auditorium, and later after the formal meeting confirmed: 1) There were NO banners, flyers, or any other communications about the Narcos kidnapping others. That was a rumor. 2) The Government did NOT start any curfew. That was a rumor.

He asked us to please go about our business as usual but avoid desolate areas, e.g., the mountain trails are not safe right now. To stay home achieves what these criminals want: to have us live in fear.

Report any incident having to do with your car being stopped by a police patrol for the purposes of questioning you and searching your car. While some of these may be legitimate, there may also be some who are criminals posing as police officers (one person in the crowd described such an incident). The Captain asked that people call in to his office in Chapala and report the incident and the number on the police truck which is prominently displayed on the side. He has the schedule of which truck is supposed to be out on patrol and which officers are in that car.

This will help him establish if there are people out there posing as officers and also determine that, if it was a legitimate police Check point, that the search was conducted legally and according to approved police procedure.

Do not allow rumors to become your reality. If your neighbor, friend, housekeeper, gardener, etc. tells you they saw or heard something suspicious, urge them to call the ANONYMOUS HOTLINE with the information, it is 100% anonymous with calls going directly to Canada with bi-lingual operators who take the report. It is illegal in Canada to see the phone number that has dialed the call, so there's no way they can trace the caller. The Captain indicated that, if they don't get the information, their hands are tied. Also, for current information, you can check information on the police website www.chapala.gob.mx This website is updated regularly and should help put to rest the rumors that seem to be flying around.

The Captain realizes the Mexican community, and perhaps many within the foreign community don't trust the police but he's committed to follow up on every single lead or report. Something to remember, the police department has no jurisdiction over the Transito, ticket writing officers. They are run by the State Government, not the local government.

When asked about seeking additional support from the military, he indicated that there have been a couple of military patrols deployed to Lakeside but it's best to keep their presence to a minimum because an all-out war could ensue between the Narcos and the military as it has in other states.

This is the information we were able to get out of the meeting. This is information gathered by many.

[edited by TB to correct URL and link]


(This post was edited by tonyburton on May 19, 2012, 6:12 PM)



bronco

May 19, 2012, 8:36 PM

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good job, thanks for the cell #s. bronco


bronco

May 21, 2012, 6:48 PM

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 if someone was being abducted i would call police, like they did today. but i am not comfortable reporting info which is a "secret tip". no way would i be an informant in mexico.my identity wont be revealed? who would do this?? its beyond absurd.


don pedro


May 22, 2012, 5:44 AM

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if someone was being abducted i would call police, like they did today. but i am not comfortable reporting info which is a "secret tip". no way would i be an informant in mexico.my identity wont be revealed? who would do this?? its beyond absurd.

the only thing absurd here is what you just said. if you're referring to the 800 tip number-it's in canada. in any event, you/we are a minority at chapala and it's a good thing for mexicans to use.
get a grip on yourself.
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bronco

May 22, 2012, 10:35 AM

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there is much info posted about this. what do they mean by PAY-PHONE only? as if there are pay phones everywhere just waiting for people to use. & they say dont let anyone see you.....? i retract the statement about calling police. it was posted to contact the army or navy. i see there is are cell to cell options. in any event, this is for mexicans. i dont even have a cellphone. if i saw something i would go into a store & have them handle it. they can call who ever they choose.


prorader

May 22, 2012, 2:38 PM

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The Army is great, I am retired from the US Army, great, but with all of the clerks, cooks, mechanics and on and on, the Army has 1 job and that is kill people, the Mexican Army is very good at that, they shoot first and ask questions later, that is if you are still alive. I don't want them in my area


Rolly


May 22, 2012, 3:09 PM

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I don't want them [the army] in my area.

I sure don't agree! We have about 3,000 troupes in my area, and they have done a terrific job of putting a lid on the war between the Zetas and the Sinaloas in this area. There have been almost no problems with the soldiers.

Rolly Pirate


Brian

May 22, 2012, 3:23 PM

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I don't want them [the army] in my area.

There have been almost no problems with the soldiers.


The criticism of the Mexican Army's involvement is the impunity with which human rights are being violated. In any society, that is a problem.


panama john

May 22, 2012, 5:14 PM

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The same here in central Veracruz. The army and marines came in about six months ago, cleaned up the police first, halcones next, then went after the criminals, all of them. Quite calm here in Veracruz now.


Reefhound


May 22, 2012, 5:56 PM

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I don't want them [the army] in my area.

There have been almost no problems with the soldiers.


The criticism of the Mexican Army's involvement is the impunity with which human rights are being violated. In any society, that is a problem.


Of course, but what is the alternative. The sanctimonious organizations that level allegations of human rights abuses have no sense of proportion and mostly cast their criticism from distant safety. There are tens of thousands of cases of human rights violations but 99% of them are at the hands of the cartels. It seems that the Army is winning the hearts of the people who initially distrusted them. There doesn't seem to be as many complaints lately and where there are I wonder how much of it is cartel propaganda.


AlanMexicali


May 22, 2012, 5:56 PM

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"I don't want them [the army] in my area. "

"I sure don't agree! We have about 3,000 troupes in my area, and they have done a terrific job of putting a lid on the war between the Zetas and the Sinaloas in this area. There have been almost no problems with the soldiers."

Mexicali was overrun with the cartel war in the mid 2000s until the Federal Police arrived and mobilized with the large army base in Mexicali and for the last 3 to 3 1/2 years it is much safer and mostly local crime now. The overall presence at first, about 2006, did take some getting used to. Seeing Federal Police in the OXXO having snacks with black ski masks and machine guns strapped to their side and with Uzis in nylon hostlers was shocking for the first couple of months. The trucks racing around in 3 to 6 truck caravans full of them with sirens and flashing lights with a few army trucks following was very normal for about two or three years. The local news was full of incidences back then. The Federal Police are still there and present in the streets all the time.



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bronco

May 22, 2012, 5:57 PM

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pro-rader: im w/you on this one. if they want to kill 2 people in a restaurant, they shoot the whole restaurant. the police are only allowed 5 shots. they are given 5 bullets only. some have quit their jobs. the army is more effective for the situation. but then again, we cant be out in crowded places.


prorader

May 22, 2012, 6:43 PM

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Rolly with all due respect, \\\U have been here forever, but you can't drive your are blind in one eye. Yiou continue to protray youself as an expert, and you are when it comes to the Army I am the expert. The Mexican Army has 1 purpose, and that is to kill people. That is what they do. great they run the narco's to another state our another town. Your stories about you and your town is great, but?


Rolly


May 22, 2012, 7:22 PM

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What does my physical condition have to do with my knowledge of what's happening in my town?
I have never held myself as an "expert" in Mexican life. I just report what I have learned.

I do regard myself as an expert in a narrow branch of science -- the behavior of sound in enclosed spaces.
I made a good living off that knowledge.

Rolly Pirate


prorader

May 22, 2012, 8:08 PM

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Rolly we arn't talking about your little town, next to a big Narco town, I am talking about where I live, you are not the expert here, you don't live here and never have but everone excepts your word as a EXPERT, You see out of 1 eye, you live with a bunch of Mexicans that love you, you go to dinner in nice places, probably frequented by Narco's, don't drive, but you are the EXPERT, I think the word is hypocrite


prorader

May 22, 2012, 8:16 PM

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You don't get it the Army is a great control. but the Army has 1 purpose kill people this Army and all Army's have the same docturine Kill


DavidMcL


May 22, 2012, 11:37 PM

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This last posting is inappropriate in the way it is personally attacking and name calling. Rolly has not offended you in any way other than to have a different opinion than you.
Please clean this act up.

David
David McL
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prorader

May 23, 2012, 6:41 AM

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Rolly is a well know writter and critic about everthing in Mexico. In his web page he has stated the facts as I said. My opinion is he isn't a solder and does not live where I live, he is and expert where he lives but not here and not the Army.
The last time I looked this is the Jalisco, Lake Chapala forum? Also there are 2 Army Generals, 1 retired that have been indicted for there hand in the cartels, and there are several Army Generals that are in prision. Add the human rights complaints, and 1000 or deserters, good Army


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Reefhound


May 23, 2012, 6:51 AM

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He never said he was to either, he simply said the Army has done a terrific job IN HIS AREA of putting a lid on crime and that there haven't been problems with the soldiers.


arbon

May 23, 2012, 7:34 AM

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cbviajero

May 23, 2012, 8:02 AM

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when it comes to the Army I am the expert. The Mexican Army has 1 purpose, and that is to kill people. That is what they do.

What makes you an expert on the mexican army?I seem to recall the army responding to natural disasters on a regular basis.


arbon

May 23, 2012, 8:39 AM

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when it comes to the Army I am the expert. The Mexican Army has 1 purpose, and that is to kill people. That is what they do.

What makes you an expert on the mexican army?I seem to recall the army responding to natural disasters on a regular basis.


¿Who else is there to respond to natural disasters? (anywhere)
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La Isla


May 23, 2012, 9:10 AM

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when it comes to the Army I am the expert. The Mexican Army has 1 purpose, and that is to kill people. That is what they do.

What makes you an expert on the mexican army?I seem to recall the army responding to natural disasters on a regular basis.


¿Who else is there to respond to natural disasters? (anywhere)


In the US isn't that the job of the National Guard, along with the Red Cross?


tonyburton


May 23, 2012, 10:46 AM

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Amongst others, Protección Civil (Civil Protection).


don pedro


May 23, 2012, 11:50 AM

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Rolly with all due respect, \\\U have been here forever, but you can't drive your are blind in one eye. Yiou continue to protray youself as an expert, and you are when it comes to the Army I am the expert. The Mexican Army has 1 purpose, and that is to kill people. That is what they do. great they run the narco's to another state our another town. Your stories about you and your town is great, but?


a coupla things here. lerdo is to torreon what chapala is to guadalajara. be thankful the army and federales are here in a timely fashion unlike lerdo where there was lotsa killings before they got there. hopefully that ain't gonna happen here because of their presence.
because you were in the excited states military does not make you an expert on any other military maybe not even the ones you were trained to fight against. the mexican army were among the first foreign troops to assist in new orleans and they weren't there to kill. when the mudslide hit san juan cosala the mexican army was very busy not killing anybody. i was in a war zone my first 2 years but that does not make me an expert on growing up in any other war zone and maybe not even czechoslovakia where i was born in 1943.
your bad attitude towards the mexican military is unwarranted and unfounded.
rolly has personal experience-you have none.
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(This post was edited by don pedro on May 23, 2012, 12:36 PM)
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